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RandySF

(59,205 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:38 AM Apr 23

Opinion: The Left Needs to Handle Its Antisemitism Problem--NOW

In recent days, we have witnessed chaos on and around the Columbia University campus, as threats against Jewish students have created an intolerable and combustible atmosphere.

A woman attempting to hide her identity held up a sign with an arrow pointing toward pro-Israel students that read “Al-Qasam’s Next Target,” a reference to Hamas’ military wing. Other protesters told students, “Go back to Europe. Go back to Poland.”

Another protester shouted, “The 7th of October is going to be every day for you,” in reference to Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel. Others sang a chant, which included the words, “We support Hamas’ fight!” and “Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!” An Arab-Israeli journalist was allegedly assaulted by agitators. These are just a few of the alleged threats and assaults that have been documented on or near this campus.

While protests of all kinds are often marred by fringe actors—doing and saying terrible things that don’t represent the views of the larger group—it’s difficult to watch the videos and not conclude that there is blatant antisemitism at play among at least some of these pro-Palestinian protesters. Even if they’re a minority of the larger movement, what we’re seeing on and around the campus of one of the most hallowed institutions of higher education in America are not merely peaceful calls for a ceasefire or more humanitarian aid into Gaza.......

If you are a prominent progressive influencer, pundit, or elected official (looking at you, Squad members), this is the time for you to go on the record and say that the antisemitic “fringe” of this movement—ostensibly in support of Palestinian rights and an end to the war in Gaza—does not speak for the larger group.





https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-left-needs-to-handle-its-antisemitism-problemnow?ref=wrap

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Opinion: The Left Needs to Handle Its Antisemitism Problem--NOW (Original Post) RandySF Apr 23 OP
This blatant antisemitism will hurt us more in November than anything else ripcord Apr 23 #1
Keep dreaming RandiFan1290 Apr 23 #6
His isn't the only race ripcord Apr 23 #8
Post removed Post removed Apr 23 #2
The same can be said for the U.S. murielm99 Apr 23 #3
Well, that bird has flown... rubbersole Apr 23 #4
So only the left has an antisemitism problem? Matt babylonsister Apr 23 #5
Thank you for adding that context. n.t. doublethink Apr 23 #7
OK to judge that book by its cover. Kid Berwyn Apr 23 #11
I guess in my perception a RW'r is more likely to harbor various forms of bigotry, so that it's more of a given than a electric_blue68 Apr 23 #20
Almost exactly my thought. Of Course the RW is Cha Apr 23 #21
Well, since you mention it, can't recall seeing leftist Nazis protesting outside Disneyland and B.See Apr 23 #38
Jewish space lasers, e.g. (no text) returnee Apr 23 #39
Your post just got rec'd 16 times, including mine for good reason. msfiddlestix Apr 23 #25
A Night Different From Others as Campus Protests Break for Seder Ping Tung Apr 23 #9
Like an old professor told his students... WarGamer Apr 23 #10
I don't need to come to a liberal website Cuthbert Allgood Apr 23 #18
I didn't say they're the same... just they comingle. WarGamer Apr 23 #36
But don't worry about the right's anti-semitism. progressoid Apr 23 #12
I don't think anyone is saying that. RandySF Apr 23 #13
Fair enough. progressoid Apr 23 #15
But that is the ONLY type of anti-Semitism some seem to give a shit about. Behind the Aegis Apr 23 #23
Watch out bringing up the KKK AZSkiffyGeek Apr 23 #30
Not saying that at all Hekate Apr 23 #22
You can worry about both. You don't have to pretend it doesn't exist on the left. EllieBC Apr 23 #29
I'm not pretending it doesn't exist on the left. progressoid Apr 24 #42
It is prudent to consider the motivations of one's trench mates while fighting a war with static fronts. jaxexpat Apr 23 #14
Who says these people are even traditional left wingers? Elessar Zappa Apr 23 #16
The far right and far left bend and meet at antisemitism. nt LexVegas Apr 23 #17
Oh fuck off with this shit - the GOP coalition contains literal Nazis 617Blue Apr 23 #19
Remember Jeremy Corbyn? moondust Apr 23 #24
That's been my suspicion all along... Think. Again. Apr 23 #31
Posted yesterday... moondust Apr 23 #34
Wow, that would need to be verified of course... Think. Again. Apr 23 #35
Abortion is on the ballot, civil and human rights vs Fascism is on the ballot, the ME is not on the ballot. msfiddlestix Apr 23 #26
I'd argue the ME and a whole lot more are also on the ballot. BUT B.See Apr 23 #41
Totally agree. msfiddlestix Apr 24 #44
Has been true for a LONG time, for MANY, and won't ever be simple. elleng Apr 23 #27
What even makes these people "the left"? Diraven Apr 23 #28
You won't see many rightwingers protesting against war... Think. Again. Apr 23 #32
I thought the left spoke out well in voting for aid to Israel Raven123 Apr 23 #33
Me too mvd Apr 24 #43
Lets just bury our heads in the sand and pretend that civilians are not dying by the thousands. Chainfire Apr 23 #37
The right can and HAVE run literal fascists, bigots, and Nazis for office B.See Apr 23 #40

RandiFan1290

(6,242 posts)
6. Keep dreaming
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:07 PM
Apr 23

Last edited Sat Apr 27, 2024, 11:34 AM - Edit history (2)

President Biden will win again.


ETA:
Just make sure you are here for the celebrations.
Don't disappear like Nov 2020

Response to RandySF (Original post)

babylonsister

(171,082 posts)
5. So only the left has an antisemitism problem? Matt
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:07 PM
Apr 23

Lewis, well-known rethug conservative wrote this, so maybe consider that, too.

Kid Berwyn

(14,953 posts)
11. OK to judge that book by its cover.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 01:19 PM
Apr 23


A Note from Author Matt K. Lewis

Did you know that more than 50% of Congress are millionaires? How about the fact that the median net worth of a member of Congress is about twelve times greater than the net worth of the median American household?

My name is Matt Lewis. For the last two-and-a-half years, I've been obsessed with something: How the rich get elected and the elected get rich.

As a Reagan conservative, I've dedicated my life to conserving our Founding Fathers' vision for America. Unfortunately, many good Americans are losing faith in this great experiment that has brought unparalleled peace and prosperity.

For this great republic to endure, average citizens must retain faith in the system. I'm not into class warfare, victimhood, or doom-and-gloom. That's why FILTHY RICH POLITICIANS doesn’t just diagnose the problem, it proposes serious, commonsense reforms that will demand transparency and accountability—and restore faith in the American system.

Source: https://www.amazon.com/Filthy-Rich-Politicians-Creatures-Ruling-Class/dp/1546004416

Little guy sounds like the rare RWNJ who can spell.

electric_blue68

(14,933 posts)
20. I guess in my perception a RW'r is more likely to harbor various forms of bigotry, so that it's more of a given than a
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:26 PM
Apr 23

left of center person in the fact of liberals, etc being more open minded.

Cha

(297,613 posts)
21. Almost exactly my thought. Of Course the RW is
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:35 PM
Apr 23

Anti Semitic.

That was prominent during the TSF years and when I started aligning Even More with Jewish People.

B.See

(1,277 posts)
38. Well, since you mention it, can't recall seeing leftist Nazis protesting outside Disneyland and
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 07:01 PM
Apr 23

through the streets of America,

nor a leftist president calling them 'very fine people. '

Ping Tung

(671 posts)
9. A Night Different From Others as Campus Protests Break for Seder
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 01:01 PM
Apr 23
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/us/campus-protest-seders.html

Pro-Palestinian protesters, many of whom are Jewish, prepared Seder dinners at college protest encampments, even as other Jewish students sought community in more traditional settings.

At Yale University, just before 6 p.m., hundreds of students gathered on Cross Campus, the main university quad, to sit around a sheet painted to symbolize a Seder table. The action was organized by groups including Jews for Ceasefire, a Yale group, and the New Haven chapter of Jewish Voice for Peace.

There, the Seder marked the end of a day that began with the early-morning arrests of 47 students at a tent encampment on Beinecke Plaza. Then, for nine hours, students had occupied a local intersection, calling for Yale to divest from weapons manufacturers.
Surrounding the Seder, students held banners that read, “Our Seder plates are empty stop starving Gaza” and “Another Jew for a free Palestine.” References to suffering in Gaza and pro-Palestinian student activism were woven into the ritual.

“Tonight, we stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people, not in spite of our Judaism, but because of it,” Miriam Levine, a 22-year-old Yale student who helped organize the Seder, told the crowd through a microphone. “Tonight we proclaim that our liberation is intertwine
d.”


Just sayin'

WarGamer

(12,479 posts)
10. Like an old professor told his students...
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 01:18 PM
Apr 23

Political ideology is like a belt around your waist.

The true middle is the belt buckle, the right is above one pocket and the left is above the other pocket...

As you head to the back of the belt, behind the back...

Ideologies start to converge and you end up with C-Ville "Jews will not replace us" co-mingling with the "Oct 7 wasn't a bad thing" folks.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,964 posts)
18. I don't need to come to a liberal website
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:16 PM
Apr 23

for people to use the old "the far left is as bad as the far right" nonsense. We're better than this. Following through on your "professor" story, are you telling me that this prof felt that anarchy is the same as fascism? Because that's what the far right and far left are. Sounds like someone who doesn't understand political systems.

WarGamer

(12,479 posts)
36. I didn't say they're the same... just they comingle.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 06:43 PM
Apr 23

And actually... yes. Far right authoritarians and Far Left authoritarians are both bad.

https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/09/esc_left_wing_authoritarians_psychology/campus.html

People with extreme political views that favor authoritarianism — whether they are on the far left or the far right — have surprisingly similar behaviors and psychological characteristics, a new study finds.

The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology published the research by psychologists at Emory University — the first comprehensive look at left-wing authoritarianism.

“We took the long history of research into right-wing authoritarianism and used insights from that to develop a conceptional framework and measures to test for authoritarianism in the political left,” says Thomas Costello, an Emory PhD student of psychology and first author of the study. “We found that in terms of their psychological characteristics and their actual behaviors, left-wing authoritarians are extremely similar to authoritarians on the right.”

progressoid

(49,998 posts)
15. Fair enough.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:04 PM
Apr 23

I'll be honest, I was responding mostly to the dramatic headline. So I read the whole thing while I ate my leftover pizza for lunch.

To his credit, he does address what happened to his party (Steve King, Donald Trump, Charlottesville etc). But his assumption that what's happening today will somehow overtake the Democratic Party the way Trump and his ilk did to the Republican party is just a wee bit misguided. These are fringe protests. They are happening primarily outside of the party and will stay that way. Our President has decried the events at Columbia and on other campuses. Unlike his predecessor, he doesn't feel the need to say something as asinine as "there are very fine people on both sides."







Behind the Aegis

(53,980 posts)
23. But that is the ONLY type of anti-Semitism some seem to give a shit about.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:48 PM
Apr 23

Is all racism the KKK? Of course, not and NOT a single person on the left would ever make such a STUPID claim, but want to talk about anti-Semitism on the left? Well, that doesn't exist?! Transphobia? Only the bullshit laws and actions being taken? NOPE! As a matter of fact, it had got so bad here, the owner actually spoke out against it in a standalone thread!

Too many on the left DEMAND people "unpack their invisible backpack" for any number of minorities, but when it comes to Jews....nope!

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,067 posts)
30. Watch out bringing up the KKK
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:56 PM
Apr 23

Some don’t like them being compared to antisemites because apparently bigotry is a contest or something.

EllieBC

(3,041 posts)
29. You can worry about both. You don't have to pretend it doesn't exist on the left.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:54 PM
Apr 23

Antisemitism is where far left and far right meet.

progressoid

(49,998 posts)
42. I'm not pretending it doesn't exist on the left.
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 12:00 AM
Apr 24

It does. Although I'm not sure I would say it is where the far left and far right meet - there is antisemitism in the middle too, they just aren't as vocal.

My brief comment was meant to mock the Republican author of this piece. Because ya know, when you live in a glass house etc. It's a little disingenuous for someone from the party of "there are very fine people on both sides" to be dolling out advice.

jaxexpat

(6,849 posts)
14. It is prudent to consider the motivations of one's trench mates while fighting a war with static fronts.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 03:03 PM
Apr 23

It is, also, an opportunity to rethink one's attitude against those who stand against them. But for certainty, there's always the old "raise your head above the verge of your safe place and see if there's anybody shooting". I suggest that there is an American (and Russian, too) faction which hopes and plans to benefit from any and all efforts to create generic Progressive division, or at least the appearance thereof. I don't think such a faction is made up of American Palestinians or American Jews, though.

If this leads one to imagine Netanyahu is, somehow, in league with Putin, let us remember how, prior to WWII, Mussolini thought Hitler a secondary and subservient figure in their binary axis. Fascists, not being very good at objective or critical thinking, make terrible bedfellows. They will fail in November 2024 if we keep our heads clear and under cover of our common trench walls.

Elessar Zappa

(14,046 posts)
16. Who says these people are even traditional left wingers?
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:12 PM
Apr 23

I know well there’s an anti-semitism problem on the far left but these protesters haven’t given their opinion on anything except supporting Hamas and hating Israel. And of course right wing anti-semites are much more prevalent in our society, imo.

617Blue

(1,281 posts)
19. Oh fuck off with this shit - the GOP coalition contains literal Nazis
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:16 PM
Apr 23

Yet the treat is from college students being supported by right wing gaslighters (this is fact)?

How do we even know if these people are on "the left?"

moondust

(20,005 posts)
24. Remember Jeremy Corbyn?
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:18 PM
Apr 23
~
After asserting that the scale of antisemitism within the party had been overstated for political reasons, Corbyn was suspended from Labour Party membership in October 2020.
~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

I didn't follow it closely and don't know the truth but the similar accusations of antisemitism on the left make me wonder if somebody is stirring up trouble for the "left" globally. Perhaps similar to Russian interference in the 2016 Brexit referendum, etc.?

Think. Again.

(8,376 posts)
31. That's been my suspicion all along...
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:58 PM
Apr 23

...the spark of anti-semitism in these protests is probably from rightwing agitators in the crowd.

It's the way the media and so many others seem so willing to pick up the torch and run with it, and to endlessly amplify it, that makes me wonder who's who?

msfiddlestix

(7,285 posts)
26. Abortion is on the ballot, civil and human rights vs Fascism is on the ballot, the ME is not on the ballot.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:28 PM
Apr 23

B.See

(1,277 posts)
41. I'd argue the ME and a whole lot more are also on the ballot. BUT
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 07:22 PM
Apr 23

let's not get it twisted by forgetting which party OPENLY endorses, embraces, associates with fascist, white supremacists, and neo-Nazis, who, according to Donnie, are all 'very fine people. '

Think. Again.

(8,376 posts)
32. You won't see many rightwingers protesting against war...
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 06:00 PM
Apr 23

...but I agree that the anti-semites are probably not there to stop any human suffering.

Raven123

(4,862 posts)
33. I thought the left spoke out well in voting for aid to Israel
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 06:02 PM
Apr 23

Wasn’t it the right that held it up in the House for so long due to its obsession with the southern border?

The protestors that get the most attention are those with the loudest signs from both extremes.

It seems to me the incidents on Oct 7th ignited a tinder box. Hamas should be eliminated. Netanyahu failed to prevent it, failed to respond swiftly (if I am understanding the news correctly) and his strategy to free the hostages has failed.

Personally, I support the elimination of Hamas and the ousting of Netanyahu.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
43. Me too
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 12:14 AM
Apr 24

Hamas started this war, but there is a major crisis in Gaza that can’t be ignored. Both sides have contributed to ill will over the years. I support a cease fire and 2 state solution but some protestors do go into the hateful.

B.See

(1,277 posts)
40. The right can and HAVE run literal fascists, bigots, and Nazis for office
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 07:12 PM
Apr 23

Last edited Wed Apr 24, 2024, 12:56 AM - Edit history (1)

including their sympathizers and associates (and yes, 'very fine people' Donnie too) yet it's the left that has an antisemite problem? Because the pro Gaza protesters are presumably leftists? Wtf?

Have I missed something here?

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