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The US Supreme Court is apparently attempting a coup, as manifested by their questions and statements during the hearing they set up to address Donald Trumps request that US presidents have absolute immunity to commit any crimes during their presidency, without being held accountable for them. A Supreme Court ruling in Trumps favor would:
Have no basis in the US Constitution
Have no basis in US precedence
Have no basis in the rule of law
Have no basis in a country that considers itself to be a democracy.
Have no basis in common sense.
Yet, five Supreme Court justices during their hearing which never should have even taken place to consider such a ridiculous request pretended that they were completely ignorant of the lack of any basis for such nonsense.
All their stupid babbling during the hearing on the question of whether official presidential duties should be immune from criminal prosecution has no relevance at all. Trump is charged with attempting to overthrow an election so that he could remain in office. That cannot possibly be considered an official presidential duty. Whether the Supreme Court believes that that is what Trump actually did is irrelevant. Determining that is what the trial is for. It should resume as soon as possible without having to wait for 5 political hacks to determine whether it should be lawful for presidents to commit whatever crimes they desire.
If it turns out that, consistent with all their previous actions, delays and statements, our Supreme Court either grants Trumps request or delays his trial long enough to call into question whether it can take place prior to the 2024 Presidential election, there will no longer be any reasonable doubt that they are attempting an insurrection, with the sole purpose of protecting their fellow insurrectionist. Our Supreme Court knows very well that supporting Trumps request or indefinitely delaying his trial will:
Likely result in Trump being elected President
Followed by Trumps cancellation of all proceedings against him forever
Give him freedom to commit any crimes in office without risk of being held accountable for them
Including ensuring that he remains in office until the end of his life
Which likely could end democracy in our country forever
At the point where it is obvious that this is the Supreme Courts goal, their moral validity ends, and with that, so should their legal validity end. There must be some line, even for our Supreme Court, beyond which we will no longer tolerate. Otherwise, their treason will be achieved, and there will be no more democracy left for us.
The trial of the only US President to attempt to overthrow our government so that he could remain in office following his election loss, must resume. The fake opinions of a group of political hacks and traitors must be given the disrespect that they deserve.
JohnSJ
(92,536 posts)is no doubt about her Conservative ideology, based on her questions, it appeared she had serious problems with granting a president ultimate immunity.
Roberts is a coward, and has indicated he wants to send the issue back to the district court to delay the entire proceeding. He implied they need to determine what acts are personal, and what acts are official. That is such a bullshit cowardly assertion. It doesn't matter on some issues whether they are "personal or offical".
Trying to overturn and election, being part of a coup against the country, taking a hit out on a political opponent under ANY circumstances is unConstitutional, and should not even be part of this discussion.
Time for change
(13,718 posts)I was not counting ACB among the 5.
hadEnuf
(2,224 posts)I don't think so.
Expand the 'effing court.
JohnSJ
(92,536 posts)filibuster, and then vote on expanding the court.
Easier said than done, and of course to maintain that would require that we keep the Senate majority, because if we lost that majority there is a high probability that a republican majority Senate would undo that.
Time for change
(13,718 posts)sdfernando
(4,962 posts)Since the Supreme Court Justices have life-time appointment I think the only way to reduce the court is by attrition. Justices would have to retire/resign or die. That process could take years to complete.
JohnSJ
(92,536 posts)bdamomma
(63,977 posts)but, We the people, have the power to stop this by Voting in record numbers in November. We can do this.
Time for change
(13,718 posts)But I believe that it would be far more likely that Trump is defeated if the trial proceeds before the election. Trump is currently ahead, and a lot of opinions will have to be swayed in order to defeat him. There is way too much disinformation circulating in our country.
bdamomma
(63,977 posts)propaganda and sadly people are buying into it. We got outside forces (Vlad for one, and possibly Orban)) manipulating the citizenry.
Rebl2
(13,620 posts)do away with the SC if he is elected again. Wonder if they have thought about that.
Model35mech
(1,602 posts)just like Christian Nationalists when it comes to an authoritarian christian government. And Trump is the closest thing they have to being a 'strongman' to lead them into that.
OF COURSE!! They back him.
btw Domination of SCOTUS is not necessarily an exclusive matter of quantity.
OnlinePoker
(5,730 posts)bdamomma
(63,977 posts)Scholars probably hate and despise all the disinformation being wrongly interpreted against the Constitution.
Wednesdays
(17,498 posts)We have six months...not years.
ECL213
(218 posts)I dont see anything in the Constitution that says the Pres has the authority to commit crimes, so how can crimes be official acts?
And if the Pres has absolute immunity, doesnt that mean Biden could have Donny Dipshit or members of The Court executed without fear of consequences?
Model35mech
(1,602 posts)I have no doubt that killing 6 supreme justices will not be covered by presidential immunity, but I'm not sure if killing three would be prosecutable.
ECL213
(218 posts)brush
(53,978 posts)What happened to that? They flipped from that philosophical standing so fast Scalia himself is still flipping around in his grave from the speed at which the so-called "strict constructionists" blithely abandoned their publicly avowed philosophy so easily, and with no hesitation at all.
It was so fast hardly anyone noticed.
Hats of to you though. You did.
StarryNite
(9,478 posts)they don't want him to have that kind of power. They will only put it into play if tRump winds up back in the White House. Should that happen from that point on there will be no more elections because tRump will only leave when he's dead and before he dies he will have handed the power to somebody else that is just as bad as him.
and we can't let that thug criminal even be near the WH. He's psychotic.
hay rick
(7,672 posts)speak easy
(9,345 posts)brush
(53,978 posts)feckless and chief in name only. He/she doesn't really have the power to rule over anything or the other justices.
KS Toronado
(17,481 posts)President Biden should figure out how to use the immunity they granted him to use it against the Supremos.
3auld6phart
(1,061 posts)much power for un3lected paraasites.
Mr. Evil
(2,867 posts)Supreme Court Of Roy Cohn.
bdamomma
(63,977 posts)forget the Neo-Cons, they wanted the President to have Executive Unitary Power.