Norway, Ireland and Spain recognize Palestinian state; Israel condemns

[applegrove]

Norway, Ireland and Spain recognize Palestinian state; Israel condemns
The diplomatic moves are purely symbolic — but not without some power.


By William Booth
Updated May 22, 2024 at 3:35 a.m. EDT|Published May 22, 2024 at 3:02 a.m. EDT

https://wapo.st/3wKHyor

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LONDON — The Spanish, Irish and Norwegian governments on Wednesday announced they would recognize a Palestinian state, saying there would be no peace in the Middle East without a nation for the Palestinians.

“In the midst of a war, with tens of thousands killed and injured, we must keep alive the only alternative that offers a political solution for Israelis and Palestinians alike: Two states, living side by side, in peace and security,” said Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

“There will be no peace in the Middle East without a two-state solution. There can be no two-state solution without a Palestinian state,” he added.

In response, Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz ordered the immediate recall of the Israeli ambassadors to Norway and Ireland. “I am sending a clear message today: Israel will not be complacent against those who undermine its sovereignty and endanger its security.”

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[no_hypocrisy]

1. By that "logic," Israel shouldn't also recognize

Lebanon with Hezbollah.

And there wouldn't be "pockets" of Palestinian land if Israel hadn't appropriated land not designated to it by the U.N. Charter. There would be just one border.

[wnylib]

3. Here are the borders of the 1949 armistice

at the end of the Arab war against Israel for accepting the UN offer of statehood. Tell me where you see an unbroken border for Palestine. I see Israel, with Gaza and the West Bank as separate from each other.

https://images.app.goo.gl/nGhNdwdTG7jiBdWZ8

Here is the 1947 UN proposal for land division between Israel and Palestine. No unified, one piece of land for Palestine then, either.

So why are you making up tales about an unbroken Palestine?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

[malaise]

2. Good

Rec

[dlk]

4. We all want the bloodshed to stop

Have they considered Hamas, a terrorist organization, as the leadership of Palestine?

[Voltaire2]

9. That is for the Palestinians to determine.

[applegrove]

19. No.

[Rincewind]

5. For over 100 years,

The Palestinians have rejected statehood that also included an Israeli state. Have they changed their position?

[Voltaire2]

10. Yes they did. See the Oslo Accords.

Where ‘they’ is the PLO. Also the more recent Gulf States (SA) initiative included mutual recognition not only between Israel and Palestine but also Saudi Arabia and their allies.

[Goddessartist]

6. Excellent!

Rec

[David__77]

7. Israel opposes sovereignty for Palestinians and maintains them as subjects, not citizens.

[AloeVera]

26. Only Israeli sovereignty, from the Jordan to the sea.

This is Likud's Charter. It used to be the quiet part, now much bolder.

People who continue to blame Palestinians by claiming they rejected a two-state, knowingly miss the point. There was never a chance for a two-state after Likud came to power. Likud had always wanted it all, for Israel. Everything else was just theater.

I am sending a clear message today: Israel will not be complacent against those who undermine its sovereignty and endanger its security.”

[Voltaire2]

8. The occupation is an abomination and needs to end.

[Mountainguy]

11. So are they going to let Hamas delegates into their countries

Or are they pretending the PA has any authority in Gaza?

[applegrove]

20. I don't think they've worked out who will have authority but it will not

be Hamas or Hezbollah.

[Mountainguy]

25. Have the told Hamas?

I doubt they just hand it over.

[Prairie Gates]

12. All of Europe will follow

[David__77]

13. It does seem like more countries will follow soon.

[Prairie Gates]

14. Even France said it's not the moment, but not out of the question

[David__77]

15. I assume the US is acquiescent to it behind the scenes as a means to pressure Israel.

[Prairie Gates]

16. LOL

[sarisataka]

17. Who are they recognizing as the government?

Though the EU countries and Norway won’t be recognizing an existing state, just the possibility of one, the symbolism helps enhance the Palestinians’ international standing and heaps more pressure on Israel to open negotiations on ending the war.

It seems much more a symbolic than practical recognition.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

23. This 👆

[Ping Tung]

18. The hard-right Israeli response is very telling.

In response, Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz ordered the immediate recall of the Israeli ambassadors to Norway and Ireland. “I am sending a clear message today: Israel will not be complacent against those who undermine its sovereignty and endanger its security.”

I expect more nations in Europe and around the world will join in supporting a two state resolution to the current madness.

[LeftInTX]

21. These countries already voted for Palestinian statehood at the UN a few weeks ago.

Even France voted for it.

Germany, UK, Ukraine and few more countries abstained.

Only Czech Republic and Hungary voted against it.

The resolution overwhelming passed at the UN, but it is non-binding.

[JoseBalow]

22. Today is National Vanilla Pudding Day

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

24. I like ice cream

Everyone should have some