What if a juror risked prosecution

[Iwasthere]

I know it's a big what if, but you know that they know it's all over for all of them if he's found guilty, so there is no doubt they'll go to any length. If a juror was offered $50,000,000.00? A 5+ year sentence if caught might be worth the risk to them.

[Scrivener7]

1. These jurors should have been sequestered.

[Iwasthere]

3. I know

It was a Hugh mistake

[Rebl2]

5. Definitely agree

[PJMcK]

31. For six weeks?

Could you live like that?

[Scrivener7]

34. It is one of the cases that will decide whether the rule of law can withstand the vile thing.

For that, I would live in a hotel for six weeks.

[Torchlight]

2. Should it come to that, I doubt any juror harbors any illusion they'd ever get paid

I figure anyone who would risk taking money, would weigh that risk against the money never showing and decide, "nahhh, I think I'll just cast my vote instead. Money's better an more sure doing the morning talk show circuit"

[wnylib]

21. Besides, mob thugs don't offer money. They make the kind of offer that you can't refuse.

Your vote or your life. Which will it be?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

33. I imagine having a peaceful breakfast at a Manhattan diner, when ...

... when Jim Jordan and Marjorie Taylor Greene sit at my table to have a little chat.

Nice poached egg you got there. Be a shame something should happen to it.

[wnylib]

38. I picture Stephen Miller or Erik Prince sitting next to a juror in a bar

and showing pics of the juror's kids leaving school to the juror. "Nice kids. I hear the girl's athletic and the boy has musical talent. Be a shame if something happened to them, wouldn't it?"

[Scrivener7]

37. It won't be a matter of payment. People always forget that the vile thing

learned everything he knows at Roy Cohen's knee and he has always been a good buddy of a lot of Mafia guys.

Gotti fixed about a dozen juries before he was convicted. These are the same people. It won't be about payment. It'll be about their kids or their spouse or their mother surviving the week.

[getagrip_already]

4. Everyone has a price

And few are that high if interested at all.

The problem is, you never know if the person you approach will report you, and put on a wire.

[LiberalFighter]

14. Jurors probably have been given instructions on what to do.

[getagrip_already]

15. Hope so, but it might lead to a mistrial if enough get contacted

Because the worry might be what if someone who didn't report it accepted it.

[LiberalFighter]

22. Trust the judge and prosecutors.

Don't waste time worrying about it.

Besides if he does try they can charge him for that too.

[getagrip_already]

25. he always keeps his distance.....

you know how the mob works. They never give the orders in so many words. Somebody just does it.

But, nothing we can do as you say. Lets hope it all goes smoothly.

[LiberalFighter]

27. They will know where to look.

[getagrip_already]

30. I was no where near jimmy hoffa on the day he disappeared.....

I was in Europe on a well deserved vacation with my family, and my very pretty assistant(s), and maybe a very pretty business agent, and of course my very pretty but deadly security guard and sheet tester.

[LiberalFighter]

32. Trump is not smart enough.

We are not living in pre-internet times.

[NanaCat]

41. Oh please

Prosecutors aren't stupid enough to look at someone who has no discernible ties to, say, a Hoffa.

But if you were within each other's circles, then you'd get a look. If you suddenly have a bank transaction show up, or start living large during or after a major court case related to the accused, then that will raise flags.

Really.

Give investigators and prosecutors a little more credit than you have been.

[getagrip_already]

42. I think you missed the point..

Namely that even if something as unlikely as this were to ever occur, it would be analogous to stochastic terrorism, with no direct links back to tsf.

He might appreciate it somehow, he might even laugh about it, but a prosecutor would find few threads connecting him. Certainly not enough to try a case with.

As for banking, that's a thing of the past. I could hand you a billion dollars in bitcoin on a usb drive and until you spent any of it, nobody would know you had it. If i used multiple block chains from legitimate sources, nobody would have traces out on it. It's why criminals love cyber currency.

[jls4561]

6. RNC announcement : Lara Lea Trump will head the new "Bribe a Juror" PAC.

Dad-in-law has drained all the others.

[Model35mech]

7. Does the Manhatten trial DEMAND a unanimous verdict?

I'm not trying to be an ass here.

His originating charge is a misdemeanor, does that require unanimous jury?

Does the elevation of the original charge from misdemeanor to felony require a unanimous jury?

I'm not being cute, I'm just a dumbass in Wisconsin wondering what is required for convictions at the 1st and 2nd level of this case.

[unblock]

8. Ramos v. Louisiana 2020 - all jury convictions must be unanimous.

[Model35mech]

11. Ok thanks

[WarGamer]

9. if they deadlock on felonies... they can find him guilty of the base misdemeanor.

Proving the felony trigger is the most difficult part of the trial, according to experts.

[Model35mech]

12. Is 'misdemeanor' what is meant by petty?

THanks

[getagrip_already]

16. Nope, not unless the defense petitions for it to be included in charging instructions

And they can't do that without waiving it's statute of limitations.

The misdemeaner version of these fraud crimes has past the statute of limitations. The felony version has not.

So only the defense can add it, and they would have to waive the statute of limitations.

They won't do that. His hurstiness is going for all or nothing. The felony charge will be harder to get, so he doesn't want to give the jury an easy out.

[LiberalFighter]

18. The judge will give instructions.

Which will make it easy to determine. They vote on the misdemeanor first. If vote is no they stop. If they vote yes they then vote on the felony charge associated with it.

Then repeat for other charges.

I hear something other than what the experts say you refer to.

[getagrip_already]

26. there will be no misdemeaner vote unless the defense waves the statute of limitations and allows the charge....

The judge nor the prosecution can't add it because the misdemeaner count has past the statute of limitations.

The felony version has not.

It's a felony or nothing.

The defense isn't likely to waive expiration. They want it to be as difficult to convict as possible.

[Elessar Zappa]

10. Unanimous is required for conviction and acquittal.

Any other scenario would be a hung jury and the prosecution would have the option to re-try him.

[H2O Man]

13. As the old saying

goes, what if my aunt had balls? Would she be my uncle?

[Iggo]

39. I coulda sworn Bob's your uncle.

[H2O Man]

40. I had an Uncle Bob.

A neurosurgeon and murderer. He was prone to spelling his name backwards. We were not close

However, .the Cisco Kid was a friend of mine.

[brooklynite]

17. Why engage in fantasy?

This isn’t an episode of Law & Order. Prosecutors know how to pick responsible Jurors. Courts know how to protect Jurors from threats and bribery.

[LiberalFighter]

19. And if someone does try the juror will see it confirming guilt.

[Iwasthere]

20. Because like I said

They will go to ANY length. If he's convicted they are finished. We must be ready to stand up, be strong and fight. GOTV!!!! We should not underestimate them. You know very well there has been a lot of talk, "all we need is one juror".

[brooklynite]

23. No, they won't be "finished"

There's no indication that a conviction will radically change the forecast vote margins.

[getagrip_already]

28. sure there is....

Not that I believe in polls anymore, but a few of the "ahem" respected ones found that a statistically significant portion of voters would be less likely to vote for the orange anus if he were convicted of a felony.

So there is that.

[Scrivener7]

35. Sure. Gotti won every case for decades before the one that convicted him because he was innocent

all those other times.

Besides, why engage in fantasy? No jury has ever been tampered with, right?

[Generic Brad]

24. I believe Trump can write that off as a business expense

So it would not technically be a crime. It would just be business.

[getagrip_already]

29. social media expense?

Campaign expenses?

How would they categorize it?

[Scrivener7]

36. Salary for whoever has replaced Cohen as the fixer.