Majority of Americans wrongly believe US is in recession - and most blame Biden

[applegrove]

Majority of Americans wrongly believe US is in recession – and most blame Biden
Exclusive Harris poll for the Guardian shows

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/poll-economy-recession-biden?CMP=share_btn_url


"SNIP...........

Nearly three in five Americans wrongly believe the US is in an economic recession, and the majority blame the Biden administration, according to a Harris poll conducted exclusively for the Guardian. The survey found persistent pessimism about the economy as election day draws closer.

The poll highlighted many misconceptions people have about the economy, including:

* 55% believe the economy is shrinking, and 56% think the US is experiencing a recession, though the broadest measure of the economy, gross domestic product (GDP), has been growing.

* 49% believe the S&P 500 stock market index is down for the year, though the index went up about 24% in 2023 and is up more than 12% this year.

* 49% believe that unemployment is at a 50-year high, though the unemployment rate has been under 4%, a near 50-year low.

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Applegrove:

Thanks to my cousin for the suggestion.

[elleng]

1. My intolerance for ignorance is growing (every day,)

and not sure what if anything to do.

[applegrove]

3. Talk up how great Biden's unemployment numbers are when in line at the grocery store and

like places. The link has charts and like explanations. Share than with any MAGA or independent you know.

[msongs]

7. bad idea IMO. biden's successes are nothing compared to the price escalation at that store.

[applegrove]

12. True.

[raging moderate]

2. Could somebody get this posted directly frm the Guardian to Facebook?

I tried and tried earlier today, but I just can't do it. I can't pay all that money, and I can't figure it out. I did it directly from DU, but then the Facebook presentation makes it look like it's only a Democratic Underground "propaganda" piece.

[applegrove]

6. I tried but no news is allowed on facebook in Canada because

Facebook are protesting the Canadian Government trying to be fair to news sources and share $$$.

[WarGamer]

4. It's really simple, TBH...

The rich are getting richer.

Most Americans are struggling to keep up with rising expenses.

But hell yeah... those who are blessed, such as myself... have seen a 7 figure increase in NW since January 2021.

[Demsrule86]

13. Not true.Here in Northern Ohio which has struggled for years, there are new factories...Biden saved two Ford plants and

GM Parma which was in trouble. Many jobs here were saved. One of the Ford plants will be a new chips plant. Jobs in manufacturing paid 9 or 10 an hour when I came in 16. Now you can walk into a factory without experience and get 20 or more an hour. Unemployment is at a 50-year low...we don't have inflation. We have greedflation. This is a great economy...everyone in my family is employed at a decent wage.

And what you say is a right-wing talking point. I know you don't mean it to be. But the reality is that this is not a Bad economy It is bad enough to see such things in Right-wing media and newspapers which are lies, must we read such things here? Biden is a good president and has done many positive things...he took over when the economy was in the toilet.

Biden has created more new jobs than any president during my lifetime. He has paid millions worth of student loans off...fixed the Medicare donut hole starting in 25 and has a new prescription plan for Medicare which will save thousands of dollars for enrollees. Biden's next idea is to make it so for everyone...he has progressive plans that will help people. He is pro-union and wants to fix Roe and keep women free. You have to have reasonable expectations IMHO. Nothing is nor will ever be perfect.

[WarGamer]

30. What's not true?

I stated TWO facts.

"The Rich are getting Richer"

* According to a Feb. 2024 Study, billionaires wealth has grown by 3X the rate of inflation.

"Most Americans are struggling to keep up with rising expenses"

* Recent Gallup poll showing 55% worried a great deal about inflation.

[Blaukraut]

5. So people actually don't watch any news at all

Because even the most biased media outlets haven't talked about being in a recession, or the stock market being down.
This is just sad. People are proudly ignorant, but at the same time, proudly voice their uninformed opinion. We are so fucked as a country.

[applegrove]

9. Probably being manipulated with propaganda

on Twitter and the like.

[Demsrule86]

8. The day after we learned that Trump paid pollsters throw the polls...I would suggest that this is a worthless poll,study

whatever... so I don't believe it.

[applegrove]

11. Where is the evidence Trump paid pollsters that is not online polls or in 2016?

Cause I've asked and asked and nobody will show me the proof Trump paid for polls.

[Demsrule86]

15. It came out in court during Cohen's trial. Here is a link.

Here you go...took me less than five minutes to google it...the first one is from before the 16 election. The second link is May 6th I think. Cohen referred to it also during the trial and it was not refuted by Trump's lawyers.

'President Donald Trump’s former “fixer” Michael Cohen said Thursday that he paid the head of a small technology company thousands in 2015 to rig online polls at “the direction of and for the sole benefit of” Trump.

Cohen was responding to a report in The Wall Street Journal that he paid John Gauger, the owner of RedFinch Solutions LLC, between $12,000 and $13,000 for activities related to Trump’s campaign, including “trying unsuccessfully to manipulate two online polls in Mr. Trump’s favor” and creating a Twitter account called “@WomenForCohen” that “praised (Cohen’s) looks and character, and promoted his appearances and statements boosting” Trump’s candidacy.'

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/michael-cohen-poll-rigging/index.html


'Jeff McConney testified that the Trump Organization’s reimbursements to Michael Cohen included $50,000 for “RedFinch” IT services. That testimony appears to be a reference to a payment Cohen reportedly paid to a firm that help rig pre-election online polls in Trump’s favor.That detail may be significant as prosecutors seek to convince the jury that Trump’s hush money payments were meant to influence the 2016 election'

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/06/trump-hush-money-criminal-trial/rigged-polling-payment-00156263

[applegrove]

17. So online polls in 2015. I still see no evidence they are

manipulation current polls (polls that are spread out on a spectrum of political beliefs). We should see the bad Biden polls a redouble our efforts.

[Demsrule86]

19. You think he only screwed with the first election? He did it in 16 and 20. But I am sure it will come out eventually...

and no the polls are shit and not to be believed. You live in Canada right? It is different there, but the polls here have been wrong for years. And we know that Katy Tur and Maggie Haberman were paid off to print Trump-approved stories. I sent you two links and yet you don't think it is true? I mean they would never do it again right? Whatever, just so you know I am rolling my eyes like my teenager does.

[applegrove]

23. So we admit there is no proof, other than the

usual partisan polls, that Trump is paying for polls.

[Demsrule86]

24. No, I certainly don't admit any such thing. I wonder why you are so invested in defending Trump's not tampering

with polls when it is known he did twice. Have you looked at polls? I have and think there is something wrong with many of them.

[applegrove]

25. I think the polls mean we need to redouble our efforts.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. This is a failing grade to mainstream media.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Somebody's not doing their job...

And it ain’t Joe Biden.

Now remind me, whose job is it to keep to public informed?

[Blaukraut]

21. Expecting the MSM to do their due diligence is one thing

But to get people to actually pay attention and tune in is a whole different story.

[JanMichael]

16. This is like that poll where 19% thought that they were in the top 2%

People are f****** stupid

[Mersky]

18. Guardian has a super cool interactive quiz to go with this article

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/may/22/how-is-the-us-economy-doing-quiz

I got 6 of 7 — nailed the lines for gas and egg prices.

[B.See]

20. We are NOT in a recession, but here's a reminder for the readily deluded...

10 OF THE LAST ELEVEN RECESSIONS (INCLUDING TRUMP'S) OCCURRED UNDER A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION.

[DickKessler]

22. I simply don't understand this country.

[Turbineguy]

26. All these people driving new cars

is a sure sign of an imploding economy.

[FloridaBlues]

27. It's has to be the way these questions are asked in this poll.

In other polls people say their personal finances are better.

[applegrove]

28. It is internet lies. Remember Twitter got taken over by a right

winger. There is nowhere the people on the right go where they will not be mislead on the right.

[Xoan]

29. Intellectually ...

They may be right.

[bdamomma]

31. People

are being fed propaganda to believe these falsehoods. Social media is the culprit. This is not on Biden.

[andym]

32. Interest rates are high and prices that rose during inflationary period have not reversed

completely, and probably won't. The former will change as the Fed cuts rates. The latter is the new reality as deflation will occur only selectively (ice cream prices?, gasoline?).
Somehow people wrongly conflate increased prices with recession and unemployment.
A few Fed rate cuts before the election will do wonders I suspect, because of "easy money" availability and home loans-- though of course current prices are not going back to pre-pandemic levels.

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[DemocraticPatriot]

33. MAGAts are obviously RAT-FUCKING another poll, because a "majority of Americans"

can't be this stupid and uninformed....

"49% believe that unemployment is at a 50-year high" ???

COME ON.....