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Hunter's Judge Beyond Highly Conflicted. (Original Post) kairos12 Jun 2024 OP
So do you want him to recuse? TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #1
If you are nominated by Trump you are a disgrace. kairos12 Jun 2024 #2
How does being a patent attorney make this a joke appointment TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #5
It's fair that we can't examine her kairos12 Jun 2024 #11
uh edisdead Jun 2024 #20
It doesn't, and she's not. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #22
Lifetime appointment and will get loads of cases in different trials. jimfields33 Jun 2024 #14
ummm my wife is a patent attourney edisdead Jun 2024 #19
She is not a patent attorney. Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #21
Was Merchan appointmented by Biden edhopper Jun 2024 #3
No it's not TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #6
Like Cannon edhopper Jun 2024 #9
You approve of Alito, Thomas, and the three Trump appointees? PufPuf23 Jun 2024 #17
Merchan was appointed. Celerity Jun 2024 #25
You're right. It is well established that who appointed a judge is not grounds for the judge's recusal. onenote Jun 2024 #7
And Cannon? edhopper Jun 2024 #10
not required to recuse. onenote Jun 2024 #12
Legal mumbo jumbo to hide corruption. triron Jun 2024 #18
You seem to be operating under the false ... Dave says Jun 2024 #23
Hunter has done plenty to end up in jail Mountainguy Jun 2024 #4
If his last name were Jones this would have been settled with the agreed-upon plea deal Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #8
The gun charge Mountainguy Jun 2024 #13
The plea bargain his lawyers requested would have been turned down by every judge in the seat. jimfields33 Jun 2024 #15
I tend to immediately look up certain posters to see Tribetime Jun 2024 #16
I am a noob compared to you Celerity Jun 2024 #26
She's already ruled twice in prosecution's favor. Kid Berwyn Jun 2024 #24
 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
1. So do you want him to recuse?
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 08:10 PM
Jun 2024

Trump supporters made the same argument about Judge Merchan. I’d argue that our judicial system does not mean a judge has to recuse simply because they were appointed by (or support) the opposing political party.

kairos12

(13,122 posts)
2. If you are nominated by Trump you are a disgrace.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 08:29 PM
Jun 2024

Previous to being appointed by Criminal Trump she was a highly esteemed PATENT attorney.

JOKE.

kairos12

(13,122 posts)
11. It's fair that we can't examine her
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:56 PM
Jun 2024

trial record but I would surmise she has not dealt with intersection of drug addiction, the complexity of gun ownership in this country, and the their intersection. She was probably too busy protecting Chump's red MAGA hat patent.

The bigger issue remains. If you accept an endorsement you endorse his values, his judgements, and his criminal view of the law, otherwise you would turn down said endorsement. Given that, she has a vested interest in hanging Hunter to dry in order to further Chump's interests.

The totality of these issues makes her appointment as trial judge, not a joke, really, but a farce.

edisdead

(3,140 posts)
20. uh
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:03 PM
Jun 2024

Judges are appointed based (presumably) on their understanding of the law and its application. Saying that a patent lawyer can’t be a judge or that it factors in is asinine. Now maybe you have evidence that this particular judge doesn’t have a grasp of the law and the ability to apply the knowledge but I find your remarks about their specific background to be fairly ignorant.

jimfields33

(17,926 posts)
14. Lifetime appointment and will get loads of cases in different trials.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 10:42 PM
Jun 2024

We don’t choose judges based on the defendant’s political affiliation. Although it seems many do wish that starting with trump.

edisdead

(3,140 posts)
19. ummm my wife is a patent attourney
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 10:59 PM
Jun 2024

or she was before going in house. How the hell do you make a statement like yours? Please explain.

Ms. Toad

(35,147 posts)
21. She is not a patent attorney.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:16 PM
Jun 2024

A patent attorney is one registered to practice before the patent office. There's only about 37,000 of them - I am one; she is not.

She has done patent litigation, which gives her experience in litigation. Patent litigators are hired, generally, because they are experts at litigation - typically with a big name firm behind them. Most hire outside counsel (like the firm I used to work for) to handle the portions of the trial which require expertise in patents.

I don't have any particular insights as to how qualified she is, but I've got 13 years experience as a patent attorney - working with counsel like Norieka hired specifically to handle the litigation.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
6. No it's not
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:29 PM
Jun 2024

Complaining about judges who were confirmed during the Trump administration is nonsense. The folks who whine about judges because they don’t like the judge’s rulings are getting tiresome.

PufPuf23

(9,107 posts)
17. You approve of Alito, Thomas, and the three Trump appointees?
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 10:56 PM
Jun 2024

The first two lied in their confirmation hearings and are beyond obviously corrupt.

The Trump appointees came when after the GOP decided their party no longer were under previous understanding of laws and Constitution and no longer needed to govern in good faith.

Look where the nation is at present.

Sorry other posters and Democrats are not up to your standards.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
25. Merchan was appointed.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:36 PM
Jun 2024
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Merchan

Merchan became a judge in 2006 when New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg appointed him to the New York City Family Court, Bronx County. He remained in that role until 2009.

Chief Administrative Judge Ann Pfau appointed Merchan as Acting Justice in the Supreme Court of New York, New York County, Criminal, in 2009, and he has been in that position since that time.

Merchan presides over felony criminal trials. Merchan also previously served concurrently as a judge of the New York Court of Claims, being appointed to that role by Governor David Paterson in 2009 and serving until 2018.

onenote

(43,847 posts)
7. You're right. It is well established that who appointed a judge is not grounds for the judge's recusal.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:32 PM
Jun 2024

Judge Middlebrooks was appointed by Bill Clinton. He was the judge that dismissed Trump's case against Hillary Clinton and imposed sanctions.

I don't recall anyone here suggesting there was anything questionable about that. Because there wasn't.

onenote

(43,847 posts)
12. not required to recuse.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 10:14 PM
Jun 2024

Trump v Clinton, SDFL, 4/6/22 ("The law is well settled that appointment to the bench by a litigant, without more, will not “create in reasonable minds, with knowledge of all the relevant circumstances that a reasonable inquiry would disclose, a perception that [the judge’s] ability to carry out judicial responsibilities with integrity, impartiality, and competence [would be] impaired.” Straw v United States, 4 F.4th 1358, 1363 (Fed. Cir. 2021) (“There is no support whatsoever for the contention that a Judge can be disqualified based simply on the identity of the President who appointed him.”);MacDraw Inc. v. CIT Grp. Equip. Fin., Inc., 138 F.3d 33, 38 (2d Cir. 1998) (appoint-ment by a particular administration is not a ground for questioning a judge’s impartiality); McKee v. U.S. Dep’t of Just., 253 F. Supp. 3d 78, 81 (D.D.C. 2017) (“[T]he identity of the President who appointed the judge assigned to a casehas no bearing on recusal.”);Armenian Assembly of Am., Inc. v. Cafesjian, 783 F. Supp. 2d 78, 93 (D.D.C. 2011) (“The case law is clear that recusal is not warranted where a judge is alleged to be biased based solely on political connections to the President who appointed her”).


Also: "A district judge “is as much obliged not to recuse himself when it is not called for as he is obliged to when it is.” In re Drexel Burnham Lambert Inc., 861 F.3d 1307, 1312 (2d Cir. 1988)

Dave says

(4,830 posts)
23. You seem to be operating under the false ...
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:27 PM
Jun 2024

… assumption that everything is working as it should, that partisan corruption does not exist - exists primarily in the Republican camp - and therefore we should not be suspicious of judges nominated by the corrupt.

Sorry, I disagree with you. That doesn’t mean there’s an easy way out. The Democratic side pretty much plays by the rules and norms that made our country great. The other side does not and probably has not since Eisenhower. Surmounting their corruption is no easy job.

Mountainguy

(896 posts)
4. Hunter has done plenty to end up in jail
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 08:32 PM
Jun 2024

Let him go if convicted.

Hunter isnt somebody we need to defend. Nobody is being asked to vote for Hunter Biden.

Xavier Breath

(4,510 posts)
8. If his last name were Jones this would have been settled with the agreed-upon plea deal
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:40 PM
Jun 2024

and his paying the back taxes, end of story. So, yeah, the political-hit-job-fix is in. Having said that, my concern is not so much for him as it is for Joe should his son be sent to prison.

jimfields33

(17,926 posts)
15. The plea bargain his lawyers requested would have been turned down by every judge in the seat.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 10:45 PM
Jun 2024

No way is a judge going to ok any immunity on any future criminal trials. I can’t even believe his lawyers added that.

Kid Berwyn

(17,031 posts)
24. She's already ruled twice in prosecution's favor.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:34 PM
Jun 2024

She ruled Sunday that Hunter Biden cannot introduce one key piece of evidence -- the original gun owner application, since altered by the store personnel -- and cannot call one key witness, an expert on addiction from Columbia U.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/02/politics/judge-blocks-evidence-hunter-biden-gun-trial/index.html

So it looks, as far as fairness goes, it's up to us, the public watching.

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