Content Warning: The Underbelly of "Free Palestine" Protests #1

[AnrothElf]

NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!

Welcome to a new series of cross-posts from the Fediverse/Mastodon, from people working to expose the rabid Islamist antisemitic and pro-terrorist sentiments promulgated by "Free Palestine" and pro-Houthi protesters worldwide, as well as on sites like The Website Formerly Known as Twitter. Many of these posts will not be from Hamas' Western foot-soldiers and "college kids", but from actual extremists in the Middle East.

I feel it's important to expose exactly who it is that American "leftist" "college kids" are aligning themselves with.



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NOTE:

I feel this series is important, here, because DU has sensible moderation, so this type of full-throttled antisemitism dies on the vine. If DUers aren't slogging through the cesspool, they'll never know how bad things really are elsewhere on the Internet -- or in the world.

I used to do this type of "Right-wing Watch" myself, slogging through cesspools like Stormfront using Tor Browser in order to expose the truth of what happens in the underbelly of the Internet. Now the underbelly has gone mainstream on Musk's shitty website, and that makes it EVEN MORE IMPORTANT to expose it, and the people making these disgusting comments.

That said, I no longer have the stomach to do the slogging, myself. There is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH WORSE than what I will be cross-posting here. I won't cross-post any of that, only select items that specific, reliable sloggers surface, and which expose the disgusting mentality of terrorist sympathizers. If I wouldn't boost the post on the Fediverse, I won't post it here.

Technically, note that most Fediverse/Mastodon links do not render as embedded posts, here. When possible I will use that method. I will never directly link to the original hateful post, but only to screenshots.

Final note and a request: If DUers think this is an inappropriate use of DU, please let me know, rather than alerting. If this is going to get me banned from the site, then I'll stop.

[mdmc]

1. I don't support selling babies to make sausages

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. What underbelly are you exposing here?

[AnrothElf]

3. The post speaks for itself. nt

[Doc Sportello]

5. You said you wanted input

Or do you only want confirming input?

[AnrothElf]

7. No, I said I wanted to know if it was going to get alerted on, because then I'd stop.

Not every post is an invitation to debate. Some are merely informative.

Like my OP.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. A writer and professor made fun of Israeli propaganda. The IDF then targeted him and his family and he's now dead, as

two of his siblings, four nieces/nephews, daughter and newborn grandchild. As I say, what underbelly are you exposing?

[emulatorloo]

19. Citation from a credible source? Would sincerely appreciate reading more about it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. Citation for what?

[emulatorloo]

32. A citation for information you posted in your post #6, quoted below:

WhiskeyGrinder wrote:

“ A writer and professor made fun of Israeli propaganda. The IDF then targeted him and his family and he's now dead, as two of his siblings, four nieces/nephews, daughter and newborn grandchild.”

Do you have a citation from a credible source? Again, would sincerely appreciate reading more about the case of this professor and his family’s death at the hands of the IDF.

Thanks in advance.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

43. .

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6014/Israeli-Strike-on-Refaat-al-Areer-Apparently-Deliberate

The Israeli airstrike that killed Prof. Refaat al-Areer was apparently deliberate, Euro-Med Monitor concluded on Friday. The apartment where Refaat and his family were sheltering was surgically bombed out of the entire building where it’s located, according to corroborated eyewitness and family accounts. This came after weeks of death threats that Refaat received online and by phone from Israeli accounts.

We call for an immediate investigation into this apparently deliberate and targeted killing of a prominent Palestinian academic, writer, poet, and activist.

On Wednesday at around 18:00, Refaat al-Areer was killed in his sister’s home in al-Sidra neighborhood in al-Daraj area in Gaza city along with his brother Salah and one of his children (Mohammed); his sister Asmaa and three of her children (Alaa, Yahia, and Mohammed); and a neighbor. His brother’s wife, Alaa, and two other children, Rafik and Alma, were wounded in the assault.

The airstrike surgically targeted the apartment on the second floor where Rafaat was in a 3-storey building, and not the entire building; indicating the apartment was the target and not possible collateral damage.

[emulatorloo]

44. Thanks, I appreciate it.

[Mountainguy]

31. A terrorist

and the world's a better place with him dead.

[Doc Sportello]

4. Baby baked in the oven?

Sounds like made up propaganda to me.

[Rebl2]

14. Actually

we had a woman in my city (in the US) this year put her baby in the oven. Of course she was arrested. Haven’t heard much more about it.

[jimfields33]

26. Jewish people have had this happen before.

It’s real: there were doubters in the 40’s. We need to take this seriously unlike the last time which ended up a huge tragedy like now.

[wnylib]

33. Because it's too horrific to believe? A lot of people said that

about the Nazi death camps. Some still deny that they existed, despite films and testimony by people who survived and by people who liberated the camps.

[AnrothElf]

40. Yeah ... like who would put Jews in an OVEN?!

Jesus fuck.

[Doc Sportello]

41. And who would believe babies ripped from incubators

Well millions of Americans and across the world and our Congrress. It was a pillar of the intended frenzy of the war with Iran. And it was fabricated BS to justify a BS war.

No, yahu's government that has killed thousands of children would't put out propandga like that. Jesus fuck indeed.

[RandySF]

51. That's what some still say about the Holocaust.

Why would the op be any less factual?

[Doc Sportello]

55. Specialist in these I see

Another flaccid non sequitir once again. One false claim about babies baked in an oven (see Celerity's post above) does not equal false claims about the Holocaust. This use of the Holocaust by those rationalizing genocide is way beyond a tired meme on here and totally not appropriate in any way. As are false claims about atrocities. Apparently, some are ok with it.

[Celerity]

53. baby baked in an oven was a false, debunked claim (the now dead professor joking about it was way out of bounds though)

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/12/08/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news/refaat-alareer-gaza-poet?smid=url-share

[manicdem]

8. Depressing for DU

DU has been infiltrated by these Hamas related extremist terrorist groups and it has spread to our members here.

Why do we put up with it here? They should've been banned a long time ago.

[AnrothElf]

10. So it would sometimes seem.

I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but... this IS the Internet. That would be naive.

[mjvpi]

9. Every Gaza protester that I know just wants peace. Why bother to post this propaganda?

[AnrothElf]

11. So that folks can see what some of the "Gaza protesters" they DON'T know are saying.

Call it a public service.

[RandySF]

52. The assumption that this is propoganda

is a problem in itself.

[Doc Sportello]

56. more than assumption

See Celerity's post on the subject. What is truly troubling is posters smearing Congressional Democtats and fellow Democrats with false assumptions.

[SoFlaBro]

12. I fucking wouldn't Alert on this. I might read a few threads and start hiding them, but not Alerting.

[AnrothElf]

13. Good to know... I do worry that those who WOULD alert on it won't bother to say so.

[Ace Rothstein]

16. Someone did but it wasn't hidden.

[AnrothElf]

17. Figures... I have a whole folder of hateful posts like this queued up, tho...

So maybe they'll get another bite at the ole apple.

[question everything]

15. An Israeli first responder recalls tending to the body of a baby burnt in an oven

https://www.jta.org/2023/10/31/israel/an-israeli-first-responder-recalls-tending-to-the-body-of-a-baby-burnt-in-an-oven

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Some wondered whether a parent was trying to hide the baby in the oven..

[AnrothElf]

18. "Some sick fucks wondered..." But yeah. Doesn't surprise me at all.

When you're rooting for terrorists, you gotta resolve the cognitive dissonance SOMEHOW

[scipan]

20. I wouldn't alert unless you post something really hairy

without a warning, like "sensitive content" for a video.

I'd be interested in any ties to the organizers or leadership of the protests here.

[AnrothElf]

24. I'd be interested too. There are problems tho...

As mentioned, in order to find the sort of material I plan to share in this series, someone has to turn on Tor and slog through the most vile, evil posts imaginable. I'm no longer a slogger, so I'll mostly be letting the posts speak for themselves. The "Content Warning" is because the screenshots I'll be including will be as vile as the one, today.

No gore, though. These fuckers love posting gore to stoke outrage.

For example:

What does Hamas actually think about their Western supporters? In their own words?

How are Hamas' allies using Western Hamas supporters to inject their own propaganda (ex: Hezbollah, Iran, Houthis)

How is Russia exploiting the war in Gaza to distract attention and Western resources from their own atrocities in Ukraine?

[scipan]

45. Sounds interesting. Not what our media usually covers. I'm with you.

[CoopersDad]

22. You're part of the problem, IMO. Fanning the flames with some anonymous vile post is...

...is the same as posting vile material on your own.

Your wording suggests you're doing it to "inform us", so it's ok.

It's not ok, it's bullshit and what is happening in Gaza is genocide, plain and simple.

And give "leftist college kids" some credit, you don't know what they're feeling or thinking.

[AnrothElf]

23. Except it's NOT genocide. That's the information I'm trying to impart.

[CoopersDad]

25. It's actually genocide, yes it is. You're not imparting very effectively.

When the greater power takes over the lands and the homes of others with differing culture for "settlements", it's no different from what white Europeans did to populations around the world.

Israel is not entitled to that land, bombing and killing and taking over land is genocide.

[northern light]

27. It is interesting that the last 70 yuears

the the Palestinians have endured is no longer relevant. Israel lost me when they machine-gunned the sailors of the USS Liberty. The settlers will, I think, eventually kill or run off the majority of Palestinians. The question is, where will the settlers be in 20 years. The US will eventually tire of supporting Israeli colonization.When the cost of supporting outweighs the returns Israel will be on it's own.

[AnrothElf]

28. No, it's not. You're making an assertion not an argument.

And I'm making little posts on the Internet not holding a dissertation defense.

That's not the definition of genocide, which is "The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group."

That's just not what's happening. It's contrary to reality. It's not a fact, as asserted.

Israel is at war with Hamas, and is targeting their attacks at Hamas, who BRAG about using Gazans as human shields. In contrast to Hamas' terrorist tactic of targeting civilian populations with Hezbollah-supplied rockets, the civilian-to-soldier ratio is lower than average, because the IDF is really, really, diverse. Why? Because it's mandatory service for kids in Israel... and ISRAEL IS DIVERSE.

"Ethnostate" my ass. Did you know Ethiopian Jews have right of return? Jah Rastafari.

It's not genocide. It's war. Israel literally warns Gazan civilians to evacuate Hamas controlled areas before major attacks. They're fighting with one hand and one leg tied behind their backs against a hostile foreign power funded by Iran which is funded by Russia and part of a growing autocratic axis including China and North Korea ... Jesus FUCK am I the only one who can read the writing on the wall?

How is this NOT a distraction from Ukraine and attempt to divide the left before a US election with TRUMP on the ballot?!?!

Calling this genocide demeans the memory of the victims of very real genocide in the past, as well as distracting from even worse loss of life elsewhere that doesn't have the literally BIBLICAL quality. Like Ukraine, Sudan, Yemen, Syria.

Do many Gazan men support Hamas? Yes... they voted a totalitarian regime into power almost 20 years ago, and now they live under a fundamentalist theocracy that steals their humanitarian aid to fund shitty rocket attacks at Israel to foment division in the West. On Oct. 7th, Hamas gambled that they could cause worldwide political chaos with a massive terrorist attack that claimed more than a thousand innocent Israeli lives in horrific ways, as well as some STILL LIVING hostages who have endured untold personal trauma.

It worked! Stupidly! Hamas' gamble worked! We're divided! So they quadruple down.

Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip are only part of the Palestinian population, and those populations aren't in this war.

It's not genocide.

Who are those populations? Israeli Palestinians who number almost as many as Gazan Palestinians (~2 million), but enjoy democracy and a multi-cultural society; West Bank Palestinians who number more than either of the other two (~3 million) but enjoy none of those rights, because they live under the theocratic Palestinian Authority; and Palestinians outside of Israel, Gaza, or the West Bank, like in Jordan, etc., who live under repressive Islamist regimes.

None of the facts support the accusation of genocide. Asserting it is on the Internet doesn't make it so.

[wnylib]

38. So, Israelis are outsider colonists in the land

where they have had cultural, historical and residence connections for 3000 years? Wow. That's some far out spin.

The colonial power in Palestine was Britain before Israel gained its independence from them. Several of the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians today were immigrants from surrounding Arab countries who went to British Palestine for jobs.

Thousands of Israelis today were forced out of Arabic Muslim countries or are descendents of people who were exiled from those countries.

The White colonists who took over indigenous people's lands did not have ANY cultural or historical connection to those lands. Israelis, OTOH, have a 3000 year cultural and historical connection to the land that Romans called Palestina in order to try to obliterate the names Judea and Israel from the region.

20% of Israeli citizens are Arab (Palestinian) Muslims. They vote, get elected to the Knesset, are schoolteachers, scientists, lawyers, business owners. Surveys since the 10/7 attacks indicate that those Arab Israeli citizens feel more connected to Israel than to the terrorists who attack Israel.

[Dorian Gray]

42. 100% agree

and this is a great post. The disconnect and inability to HEAR this from the "Israel are white colonialists" crew is really disturbing. They live in an alternate reality with an alternate history.

Having said that, the nation of Israel and some of the people who are of that nation have some problematic behaviors, but the history in the region and their right to exist shouldn't be questioned.

[betsuni]

46. +1

[electric_blue68]

48. I think i disagree. Bombing, and killing are Horrific Actions of War, not necesserly genocide...

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Bibi has over extended this war. Should it have been a full scale war after Hamas's Oct 7 hedious, heinous murders, rapes, and kidnappings? Idk.
Yet there is information that Netanyahu has sort of propped Hamas up?

The IDF telling Gazans to clear out an area before they attack it, but at times where are they supposed to go?!

I believe in Israel's right to exist. The Jewish people who stayed have lived in those areas for ?3,000 years linkage. Those who left for other areas some may have maintsined contact with those in the Middle East.

And I can vehemently disagree with some of their actions! Like how
they've let those radical West Bank "Settlers" who've gotten even worse recently. Sometimes how they treat the Palestinians through the years.

I don't follow it super closely. But I listen, watched news from the area for decades.

And sometimes I'm tired of both groups.

[wnylib]

36. One half of one percent of the Gaza population

has died in the war between Hamas and Israel. If that's genocide, the Israeli military is not very proficient at killing.

[TomDaisy]

29. This is overly graphic for this forum. I don't see any reason it is appropriate.

[Mountainguy]

30. Hard to look at the truth?

[TomDaisy]

39. and what would be the reason I am not allowed to post my own videos

you would not like them. they would be, as you say, "hard to look at"

[Mountainguy]

47. I don't moderate this board

post whatever you want, idgaf.

[TomDaisy]

50. you're not into the truth. I get it.

[AnrothElf]

34. I'm unhappy to report that this is relatively mild on X/Twitter.

I admin a Fediverse site, so I get to see the worst of the worst, then nuke it.

The antisemitism, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and general hatred is rampant on the Internet, beneath the veneer of well-moderated sites like DU.

Twitter used to be shitty but not completely unmoderated.

Now, under Musk, it is a cesspool. The new Stormfront. That's what this series is about, specifically as it relates to one hot-button issue: Israel and the Levant.

In my long experience on the Interwebz, the type of troll I'm interested in exposing with this series likes to prey on liberal and leftist sentiments. They want to create "Bernie Bros" to act as contrarians to any genuine progress we might make as a society. I understand that this might be controversial -- that any such sentimentality might exist, at all. But let's please be realistic. It does exist, and it can become toxic to real progress, as it did in 2016.

Russia has now joined this storm's front, so that adds even more sophisticated operators, and they provided a model for other threat actors like Iran, China and North Korea.

This isn't alarmism. It's well-documented, that's-what-already-happened kinda stuff. It's based on what we know is happening, not on what we wish was happening.

[electric_blue68]

49. I think it might be important to point out. I say go ahead....

Around the time DU was new (I happen to find DU in it's first year) - I frequented a 24 hr Net Cafe.

One time I looked at Stormfront, and also Christian Dominionist sites.
Needed "brain bleach" after those peeks! (not that i expected a positive experience!) The only time I ever looked. Yikes!

[ornotna]

35. You've already had multiple hides

Just keep on keeping on. If there's a problem, it will solve itself.

[AnrothElf]

37. I'm probably courting a tombstone, but I'll do my best to rein in my rhetoric.

I'm verbose. Sometimes words just carry me away...

[littlemissmartypants]

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