Hundreds Of Stanford University Graduates Walk Out Of Graduation Ceremony

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

[RandySF]

1. They did everyone else a favor.

[DFW]

2. Agreed

I hope they did it before the diplomas were awarded.

[TomDaisy]

38. I'm proud of them.

[Bettie]

63. Apparently even a silent protest

is too much for a certain segment.

[elias7]

77. It is the choosing of sides in a conflict that needs something better from our future leaders

[Bettie]

81. I think it is more that they chose a different side

than many older people have and that makes them angry toward the young people who dare to disagree.

[pfitz59]

3. Misguided fools

taking sides when both sides are horrific. Hamas's stranglehold on Gaza governance is killing as many Palestinians as Israel. Give up the hostages and give up power.

[betsuni]

4. Parade of The Clueless Elites.

[obamanut2012]

32. Lots of first gen scholarship kids go to Stanford

[BannonsLiver]

69. "Lots"...sure lol

AKA Exceptions that prove the rule.

[betsuni]

94. Elite means the best, most qualified. In this case, academics. Nothing to do with class or anything else.

Not an insult, despite it constantly used as an insult against Democrats and liberals.

[TomDaisy]

39. They are on the right side of history, like they were in the 60s.

[BannonsLiver]

71. Most of them were Reagan voters by 1980.

[Ping Tung]

74. Reagan wanted "blood in the streets" to stop the protests when he was governor of CA.

I doubt that many of the potential victims would vote for the guy that wanted them dead or imprisoned.

[BannonsLiver]

97. Doubt all you want.

Reagan doesn’t get nearly 500 electoral college votes in 1980 without a helluva lot of conversions.

[uponit7771]

5. US kids have predominantly sided with correct side of history

[jimfields33]

6. I find it the complete opposite.

[karynnj]

8. The correct position might be compassion for the innocent on each side

and condemnation of Hamas, a terrorist group fully willing to sacrifice huge numb r rs of Palestinians for their aims, and the far right wing forces in Netanyahu's government wanting to use this crisis to achieve the greater Israel they want. This is NOT to equate them. There are many in Israel's Knesset and probably the majority of Israel who want an end to the war and understand the need for something better for the Palestinians. Only a few years ago, people like Ben G'vir being in the Knesset was unthinkable.

Note that it is the US that has been working since October for that end. It is a thankless job, but the only path to real peace.

[uponit7771]

9. Nam, civil Rights, Iraq 2, BLM, gun violence ... When US kids mass protest they've communicate

... alignment with the arc of history no?

[jimfields33]

10. Those have one huge common denominator

They affected our country. I understand the Palestinians are getting a crappy deal. But it’s nobody in the United states’ fault. It’s 100 percent Hamas. The protesters need to begin acknowledging this sole fact.

[marble falls]

17. Seriously: you believe that? You don't think driving the Palestinans out of Palestine, "settling" the West Bank ...

... by unsettling the Palestinians living there, incursions into Lebanon, BILLIONS in US tax dollars for US weapons, Black September had nothing to with it? That Palestinians getting a "shitty deal" bought with your tax dollars is acceptable?

[malaise]

37. Nailed it

Rec

[BuddhaGirl]

66. +1000

Right on

[uponit7771]

20. What's going on in Gaza is in part funded by US tax dollars therefore affects America. US kids ....

... kids when they protest in mass have predominantly sided with the correct side of history no matter who it affects.

[MotownPgh]

48. They will have a stronger voice when they vote en mass

[uponit7771]

92. True, they tend to have long memories historically...2003 Iraq war and HRC comes to mind

[Iris]

42. Apartheid

Remember boycotts and protests in college

[uponit7771]

93. Yep US students protested en masse in 86 and affected legislation...

[marble falls]

15. Oddly enough, so does TFG.

[jimfields33]

19. I don't follow him. Not a fan.

[malaise]

11. That simple

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Proud of them but I suppose 38,000 dead Palestinian people and 50,000 malnourished children don’t necessitate outrage,
Bravo young folks - my Stanford niece is proud of you and so am I.

[tritsofme]

16. Right, and why would anyone be outraged about Hamas if they think their leaders are just like Nelson Mandela?

Oh, I guess they wouldn’t. Such a person would probably be an enthusiastic supporter of them, If I was to be pellucidly clear.

[malaise]

21. Let me make this pellucidly clear. - My niece's anti-Zionist

Jewish father also agrees with the students.
That is all.

[tritsofme]

23. Anyone who believes Hamas leaders are just like Nelson Mandela is either incredibly ignorant or incredibly evil.

Perhaps both?

That is all.

[Violet_Crumble]

24. Then it's good no one here does.

The way you follow Malaise round imitating them is just a little bit weird. Haven't you got things to say about the conflict itself rather than imitating another DUer?

[malaise]

26. Hehehe😀

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery - so said granny😄😄

[Violet_Crumble]

31. Yr granny was so right!

I was going to point out that the Palestinian I.think would come closest to comparing to.Mandela.would be Marwan Barghouti and see if they'd start following me.round imitating me too

[malaise]

41. Paternal Granny was right most of the time

Sadly half Jewish maternal granny died before I was born

And yes they’d follow you around too

[Mossfern]

53. Not for nothing

and with all due respect - How does having a half Jewish grandmother make your views on the current situation give you any more cred on this issue? It's almost like saying "I have a Black friend."

[malaise]

58. Credibility?

I write my conscience - that said it’s important to remind folks that the Jewish community and its descendants have a plethora of views and large numbers do not support either Zionism or genocide,

[Mossfern]

72. I honestly don't think the Jewish community needs a reminder

of the plethora of views on issues. That very same fact is a major part of our culture.
You know the old saying: "Two Jews, three opinions."

Please refer to Hillel and Shammi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houses_of_Hillel_and_Shammai

That still doesn't explain why you found it necessary to mention that your grandmother was 'half Jewish.'

[malaise]

75. More than once these past almost 20 years I have mentioned

that my maternal great grandfather was Jewish. It’s fascinating how troubling that suddenly seems. That said it’s our humanity that matters more than nationality, race, ethnicity or religion.

I will not ignore war crimes, genocide or starvation.

[tritsofme]

27. I wish it were true that no one here does.

If on reflection anyone has changed their mind about what was communicated previously regarding Mandela and Hamas, they can certainly let us know.

[Violet_Crumble]

28. Who's.'us'?

Like I said, no-one here has said that, but seeing nothing's going to stop you from whatever it is you think yr doing, follow yr dreams and you do you, buddy
.

[tritsofme]

30. That's simply not true.

[Violet_Crumble]

33. What's not true?

Also, say I accepted that was said at some point at DU? How does that justify you following someone around.constanrly going on about it? What are you hoping to achieve, apart from annoying other DUers? Do you see me following people.around who have said.recolting things about Palestinian civilians? You don't because.that sort of.behaviour is childish and does look to me like an attempt to bully.

[tritsofme]

50. I find support for Hamas to be as evil as supporting Nazis, the KKK, white supremacists, etc.

To compare Hamas leaders favorably to a fundamentally good man like Nelson Mandela is completely beyond the pale, and ought to be criticized.

[Sky Jewels]

62. Supporting Palestinians being bombed off the map

by Netanyahu’s military is not the same as supporting Hamas. But of course lots of people like to pretend otherwise because it suits the “Israel can do no wrong” agenda.

[tritsofme]

64. Agreed, but if comparing Hamas leaders to Nelson Mandela doesn't indicate clear support of Hamas

I’m not sure exactly what does?

Not all of the “pro-Palestinian” crowd actively support Hamas terrorists and their goals, but some have certainly come down on that side, and made it pellucidly clear.

[malaise]

87. THIS

Rec

[NickB79]

88. I can say with absolute certainty that someone here has said exactly that

I was there to read it the day it was posted, and it was jaw dropping.

[betsuni]

89. Yes. It was: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, ask Mandela.

[obamanut2012]

36. No one on here has ever said that

[tritsofme]

51. That's not true.

The person who said it doesn’t seem to have ever denied what was said, not sure why you would?

[sarisataka]

55. Yes they have. No matter how much people claim "I didn't see that"

If you care for the truth, use your star. Search the term 'Mandela' on January 28th.

[OneGrassRoot]

60. Meta question:

I just found and commented to a reply in that thread ‘cause it was an excellent summary of modern anti-western positions.

But it didn’t bump the thread back up to the top. Is there a time limit on threads being bumped back into the homepage now?

[sarisataka]

61. I noticed the same thing last year

I followed a link to an OP that at first, I didn't realize was quite old. I discovered that when my post did not bring it up, so I believe there is some anti-zombie protocol.

[OneGrassRoot]

65. Unfortunate. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

90. Threads that aren't in the 30 pages of "most recently replied to" of a forum or group don't reappear in it

So GD, the fastest-moving forum, currently only gets thread bumped from June 8 or later. Threads in some groups could be bumped up from years ago (eg a UK general election thread, last posted to nearly 5 years ago, was successfully bumped when the new one was announced last month). I think it's been like this since DU 3 started around 2012.

The person you reply to does see the post reappear in "My Posts", I'm pretty sure (I've seen the occasional spammer reply to something I posted a long time ago, I think in GD).

[OneGrassRoot]

91. Thank you for the info! n/t

[obamanut2012]

35. Thank you

I have noticed that, too, and other mocking of Malaise. It is concerning.

As is the fake accusation that DUers think Hamas is Mandela. I keep seeing posters claim it, never seen it

[Violet_Crumble]

43. I got sick of seeing it happening constantly

I'm very used to being the target of false accusations back in the old days of the I/P.forum. Anything I said would get twisted into something completely different and would end up with me being accused of supporting suicide bombings and Hamas and.Islamic Jihad. It's an old, well worn tactic used by those who possess few skills when it comes to discussing issues with those they disagree with.

Anyway, off to bed now. G'night

[malaise]

45. Sleep well

I’ll be watching the T20 cricket WC

[Violet_Crumble]

46. Just before I go....cricket!

I've just returned from a few weeks in Sri Lanka and I think they love cricket even more than we do.

Enjoy the game

[malaise]

47. We all love our crickets

😀

[Bettie]

57. Even a suggestion that Palestinians are

be human beings with a right to...um, be alive seems to be enough to make one an antisemite in the eyes of a certain segment.

[malaise]

59. THIS

Rec

[malaise]

25. My paternal grandma told us that when we point one finger

at others, three are pointing back at us so whatever. Water on a duck’s back if yah know what I mean.😂😂

[quaint]

7. I am pro-peace and so are many others.

[brooklynite]

12. Maybe in the Fall they'll start walking out of work?

[orange jar]

14. Every other month there's a Twitter-based "strike" for Palestine.

Many of them actually encourage people to stop going to school, work, etc. in the name of Palestine, so… while they aren't nearly as effective as they think they are, don't write it off as a possibility.

[brooklynite]

18. Perhaps they'll discover that their employers have stricter standards than their school.

[ck4829]

84. Employers are spineless cowards

Trump blasts immigrants for taking jobs as he courts voters at a Black church, MAGA event in Detroit

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3257246

This is SOP for Trump and the Republicans, right?

"Immigrants are taking our jobs" "Immigrants are invading our jobs"

This has been a tactic by Republicans and Trump for like a long time now.

Why are immigrants taking jobs - and not employers are giving jobs to immigrants.

Trump and Republicans are attacking what they are supposedly doing - and employers don't want to speak up? Employers don't want to denounce Trump and Republicans for this?

Cowards.

[Hugin]

34. I'm waiting for the walkouts protesting the SCOTUS and Republican's war on women. n/t

[Mossfern]

54. +1!

Thank you!

[debm55]

67. Agree

[marble falls]

13. I am confident this generation has a heart and is able to to do the right thing. I am confident in their ability ...

... lead the nation.

[malaise]

22. Indeed

The young folks are waking up just like we did.

[getagrip_already]

29. Walking out is harmless....

And as long as it was done hate-free, I don't have a problem with it. It's a classic form of protest.

No harm, no foul.

Now if they were yelling some hate filled vile on the way out, like death to xxx, then f 'em. But I'm not hearing that (I didn't follow the link).

Unless something has changed, they don't actually hand out diplomas at graduation. They hand out generic scrolls of congratulation, or even blank scrolls. They are props.

The real frameaable diplomas come weeks later.

[brooklynite]

44. If they feel Stanford needed to be protested, why would they accept their diploma?

[getagrip_already]

52. I doubt they were aiming it at the university per se....

It was just the most visible platform they had and knew it would make a headline or two.

15 minutes of fame.

Sure, the university has investments, but none of those investments are anti-palestinian. You can be pro-israel and pro-palestinian at the same time.

They have a different opinion they wanted to make known. As long as it was non-hate, I'm OK with it.

[betsuni]

95. I'd admire anyone who really committed and went down with the ship.

[David__77]

49. I am thankful for them.

[sarisataka]

56. One question-

Did any of them mention the hostages? Call for their release? (Ok two related questions)

[Mountainguy]

68. A literal antisemitism parade

Israel should just accept their citizens being murdered and that they can't attack the enemy.


Palestinian propaganda isn't very sophisticated. It only fools fools or people who want to be fooled.

[BuddhaGirl]

83. Were they chanting anything antisemitic?

So protesting = antisemitism?

Uh huh

[Mountainguy]

85. When they are protesting

Jews defending their country it is.

[Jacson6]

70. A four year education cost $240,000 at Stanford.

[Buns_of_Fire]

73. I've totally lost track at this point. Is everyone protesting:

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* The sadistic butchering bastards of Hamas and their "leaders" safely residing in Dubai?
* The shameful treatment by Israel and its "settlers" towards Palestinians?
* Netanyahu's apparent desire to kill everything that moves in Gaza?

What? WHAT??? (And how in hell did we wind up in the middle of all this? I know we're considered Israel's "big brother," but still...)

[themaguffin]

76. If it's not about Orange Caligual, it's irrelevant.

[northern light]

78. The thing to remember is that this did not start on October 7th.

How long can you oppress people before they have had enough. Look at the polls in Israel, most people in Israel are in favor of getting rid of the Palestinians. They are not necessarily in favor of genocide, but guaranteed they are in favor of the Palestinians "going away" so they can have a Jewish state only. They are only at the stage of an apartheid state now. What comes next, who knows. The Israelis are desperately trying to involve the US to the point we have to do their work for them. I think the Israeli''s realize the next generation of Americans don't want to be involved in their plans.

[JohnSJ]

79. Let's analyze this. About 300 students walked out of about 5400 graduating students.

This was organized by Students for Palestine, the same group that days ago barricaded themselves inside the president's office in a demonstration that left some of the school's historic sandstone structure damaged.

Students for Palestine, a pro-Palestinian student group, said they walked out “in protest of the university’s inaction regarding student demands for divestment.”

"The walkout follows a similar action at UC Berkeley’s graduation ceremony last month. And it caps months of protests at Stanford, where students have set up multiple protest encampments and just days ago barricaded themselves inside the president’s office in a demonstration that left some of the school’s historic sandstone structure damaged. More than a dozen people were arrested following the incident and Stanford said it would suspend students involved and prohibit those who were seniors from graduating."

https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/06/16/hundreds-of-students-walk-out-of-stanford-commencement-over-war-in-gaza/

By the way, for a 4 year degree at Stanford, including board and room, it costs about 328,648.

[cayugafalls]

80. Whenever I or my friends would protest in the 60s and early to mid 70s, we protested WAR and HATE.

The MIC and the covert wars. I personally despise killing of any kind and would rather catch the fly and let it out or just let it be.

I would think that most, if not all of these young people are driven by the same desire for love, not war. The few capturing the photo shots and headlines are the stories that LEAD.

A peaceful crowd of hundreds can be relegated to the crazy of a few with a carefully cropped photo...

Snoopy and I carried Make Love, Not War signs...and we meant it, so did most of the youth at the time.

Imagine...

[TheKentuckian]

82. I find this performance art lacking, pointless. and weak.

[betsuni]

96. Agree.

[Ping Tung]

86. Thanks students for bringing it back.