Please explain to me like I'm 5 how Trump has endless flaws but could apparently easily win

[LymphocyteLover]

because his base sticks with him no matter what he does, but apparently it's terrible if the Dem base is sticking with Biden.

Why is Trump's horribleness such an easier sell than Biden being old?

Is it just the electoral college and that the deck is stacked against Dems and it's harder for us to win? So apparently the media can't give us a freaking break???

[kerry-is-my-prez]

1. Look at what happened with Hitler. Cult like behavior.

Hitler was around and was very popular for quite some time. Until he turned into a “loser” during WW2.

[Aussie105]

17. Did the German media support him in his early days?

And when it all went wrong, did they print retractions and apologies?

[haele]

70. The German Media in general didn't take him seriously.

He was that foolish little anti-communist party head with a small cult following that could easily be controlled by the traditional Very Important German Leadership (political, business, and media).
So what if he wanted to be dictator. He was opposing those who were habitually criminals or going around upsetting the status quo, riling up those simple worker bees who should be happy to have jobs...

Haele

[LymphocyteLover]

18. I'm not clear how that relates to Dems

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. It is related to Trump. Another despicable leader.

[Pisces]

2. Why is it so difficult to understand that 5 to 7% of undecided

Independents are going to be deciding this election. All Dems are going to vote for Biden no matter what!! But there is a tiny group of people ( remember we lost Michigan by 10,000 votes) that will decide. Like it or not Biden seemed confused and Trump didn’t. Biden presented as very old and another 4 years isn’t going to improve that. That small slice will be thinking more heavily about Kamala. This is not about Dem voters!!

[LymphocyteLover]

19. my question is-- WHY AREN'T THEY TURNED OFF BY TRUMP, especially now?

[Eko]

31. Like the undecideds even know who Kamala is.

Not a knock on Kamala, she is awesome more a view that undecided and independents are ignorant of politics.

[Pisces]

50. Exactly, and they have seen clips of the debate on TikTok which

Show Biden in a very poor light. They may not Know Trump is a felon or believe it. Second some people feel like paying hush money to keep a sex secret is what any man would do, like Bull lying about “That woman”

It should be simple to look at Trump and see a con man but most Repubs don’t.

[Frank D. Lincoln]

44. Why is it so difficult for that 5 to 7% of undecided

Independents to understand that Trump is a convicted felon who, if reelected, could order SEAL Team 6 to kill any one of those Independents and their mother with impunity.

If they're that damn dumb they need to be the first people rounded up and put into a camp.

[Spencer Martin]

56. Independents. AKA "Low Info Voters"

I mean, seriously? Who the hell is independent at this time?

Pollsters and pundits pay so much attention to them as if they are some sage minds engaged in deep introspective thought and deliberation, carefully measuring the direction they will take.

In reality, the independent voter is the Hawk Tuah girl and her friends. They don't know the issues. They don't follow the news. At the end of the day, they swing towards the candidate they "like" the most at the last minute and only vote because they perceive some civic duty to do so.

[GenThePerservering]

63. Independents and "low info"

are not the same - Washington state's independents are frequently more radical than the Democratic party, but caucus with them. It's a very old tradition here. Or was, since Washington a while ago forced everyone to declare a party.

[orthoclad]

68. Small slice?

1/3 of eligible USians don't vote. That's a big slice, if anyone can get them motivated.

[LeftInTX]

3. Because a bunch of people are trying to get Biden off the ballot

[Attilatheblond]

7. They couldn't find any crimes he comitted. Couldn't besmirch his honor or reputation. Couldn't make him quit by

attacking his son, and they know they can't beat him in a fair election, so their hired guns, err, media are trying to pretend he's feeble. Sadly, too many people, even many around here, are playing into their hands and amplifying the propaganda, sucking all the oxygen and keeping Trump's SERIOUS failings off page one.

WTAF?

But I don't see any of them doing half the work he does and then going for a bike ride.

[WarGamer]

4. Because it isn't about Trump. He's an icon, a golden calf.

It's hatred of progress... hated of fairness and equality.

If it was DeSantis or Haley, they'd probably have MORE support than Trump.

[LymphocyteLover]

20. so why is he doing better in the polls?

[WarGamer]

23. you mean since the debate?

[RockRaven]

5. America is a sick society full of ignorant immoral people.

And on top of large numbers of those people voting in a system rigged to favor a certain type of minority rule, many of the worst such people seek power and influence -- in business, politics, religion (but I repeat myself!), and media.

[LymphocyteLover]

21. Yes, but a majority???

[Eko]

35. The majority loved NSYNC so not sure that is an argument.

[B.See]

6. Because Trump's CULT of supporters, defenders, devotees, followers, and apologists is based upon a

MALEVOLENT MINDED, SICK-FUCK MENTALITY, that takes delight, solace and even satisfaction from all of the MEAN-SPIRITED hate, divisiveness, bigotry, and venom that he and THEY stand for.

And that's about as simple as it can get. Or as to a five year old, because not all people are GOOD people.

[LymphocyteLover]

22. Sure, but why is Trump apparently winning???

[Eko]

37. Because there are a lot of politically idiotic people out there.

[B.See]

38. he/they will win only if the rest of us aren't equally as motivated to keep them from doing so.

[TheKentuckian]

8. Life isn't fair. The conditions have not changed. Cult members tend to be in with the cult.

Now, I don't grasp why anyone isn't all in or all out by now either way but the segment exists and it is like that and that is the way it is just like the past almost decade.

[LymphocyteLover]

24. but surely you admit trump is getting support outside his cult? His cult can't be that big for these poll numbers

[TheKentuckian]

49. Of course. They are the segment we cannot grasp but can't pretend away

because we need a fair chunk of them and no matter how unfair it may be, they aren't likely to buy Weekend at Biden's no matter what is going on with Chump who's baseline is so awful that his slippage and demonstrated ineptitude don't register.

The obtainable but not utterly out on Chump part of the population is near impossible to fully disqualify Chump with because despite a whole mountain range of evidence he is still at least borderline acceptable so showing up not him is not going to do it no matter how much it should.

Whatever bizarre bar they have that Chump meets for them must be exceeded to beat him and pouting about it isn't going to have a lot of traction either.

Biden can do it but his campaign will have to be a lot more vigorous and with a lot of grandstanding while holding down the day job and avoiding colds/travel fatigue/one bad debates anywhere near the level we saw last week.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

9. Trick question: on a Democratic forum?

You want us to sell you on Trump? lol sure

[LymphocyteLover]

25. LOL wut?

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

42. Well, it is all bullshit and lies, but they just do not see it.

You said "wut?", so I will state some things.
Please, whoever reads this, please take it easy on me, I am showing why it is misguided attraction.

These are things they believe about him.

He wants what is best for the US. ( he wants only whats best for himself, family & richest friends)
Helps stop abortion. (not that he really cares, it just wins him followers )
Is a business man, should be great for the economy. ( has that image partly from Hollywood and also cultivated it for years)
He is brave and willing to take the hits, because he believes so much in helping. (only in it for himself)
Who would want to pay more taxes? He wants us to have lower taxes. (really only wants the rich to have lower taxes)
Will stop runaway crime ( crime is going down under Biden)
Will get rid of that nasty government run health care ( he doesn't care about our health, only wants talking points: has no plan)
Stops us from being overrun by unskilled immigrants, coming so fast they will have us speaking Spanish soon and living in poverty.
(not directly racist, but don't see outrage for the Canadian influx; perhaps they blend in with the 'majority white' and speak English?
He is a capitalist, while Democrats are close to being Communists. ( we are almost all regulated capitalists with some socialism)
He is bringing the storm to end the pedophilia. (surprisingly, some very educated followers of his believe this crazy concept.)
Helps avoid paying welfare to people that do not need it. (wouldn't care if people that do need it are thrown out with the bath water)
Helps stop reverse discrimination, due to favors given to minorities. ( efforts are needed to help the oppressed and unprivileged)
Helps to make the US energy independent ( I know we have many better ways than his to accomplish this)
Protects religious expression. (not that he really cares, it just wins him followers )
Protects gun ownership (not that he really cares, it just wins him followers )
Can help on the world stage with his strategies on China and Russia and etc etc ( whatever)

Oh, I left out the whole Q stuff about how he is going to round up a bunch of predators and save the children ( if he really knew this was going on, and it wasn't really him, why wouldn't he have done so while he had the chance? It is incredulous, but they love their Q click and feel like a they are members of a club)

I could, no doubt, add more, but this should be a enough for now.

[Aussie105]

10. Sit down little 5 year old, and let me tell you a tale!

In a land far, far away was a kingdom.

The King's name was Joseph, and the court jester's name was Donald.

The King ruled the land with a fair hand, but a lot of the peasants who mostly toiled the land and built the roads and the houses, resented the King for they saw the nice clothes the King and his followers wore, and the nice houses they lived in.

The King's castle was for all to see, a mockery to their lowly dwellings.
They looked at their own lives and thought about it, when was it their turn to wear nice clothes and live in nice houses?

So the peasants became resentful.
And the court jester saw that, and started to make up rude and exaggerated stories about the King, and the peasants saw it was good and asked for more.
The court jester was encouraged by this and the stories became more extreme and highly critical of the King.

Then came the time the King wanted the job no more, and chose to abdicate.
He wanted the people to choose his replacement, to be fair to them.
The court jester suggested he could do the job of King much better. So he put his name forward.

Would the people choose a smart and wise man to be the next king, or were they so taken in by the court jester and his lies that the next king would be him?

Now go to sleep little child, we will have the answer soon enough!

(Teller of the tale goes off to check if his passport is still current, just in case.)

[LymphocyteLover]

27. uh... thanks?

well done though

[FuzzyRabbit]

11. Trump can win like he did in 2016 because he was a TV star.

Millions of people saw his game show that depicted him as an astute businessman, surrounded by competent people in an opulent office. Most people don't follow politics like DUers do. They may watch the occasional network news shows, but they don't know what Trump is actually like.

They think he is smart, and pretty much just like themselves, except that he is a multi-billionaire.

And they think Trump manages many extremely profitable businesses, like Trump casinos, Trump University, Trump steaks, and Trump Airlines. If you don't follow the news, like most people, you would not know that all of Trumps businesses fail.

[Aussie105]

14. Trump's aim . . .

Is to become head of the biggest business in the country, running the country itself.

And mismanage that too, grind it into the ground.

He didn't quite finish the job the first time.

One sick puppy, he is!

[LymphocyteLover]

28. surely by now, people have a different view of him

[madibella]

12. He's the leader of a cult and the media

Ignores anything and everything negative that he does while amplifying and creating issues for Biden.

Just imagine if Biden fell asleep, confused world leaders or spouted off about windmills and electric cars and boat batteries (I think?). He had a single bad debate and he’s about to be thrown off the ticket!

The media will not stop until it they’ve reached the goal. And we’re helping them.

I’ve never really posted before and here I am because this is the only safe space in my mind. I cannot watch the “news”. Its disgraceful.

Joe Biden who dedicated nearly his entire adult life for the betterment of this country is about to go down like Al Franken. There’s blood in the water and the sharks are circling.

[Freethinker65]

13. Weak down on their luck males admire alpha males that fuck porn stars and bully intellectuals and get away with it.

Fear of big scary minority cities is real in small towns. Hell, I had to inform my Mom's dental receptionist in freaking Salt Lake City (which has its own dicey areas) that Chicago is not a big war zone tent city full of minority immigrants. Explained there is a reason Trump, and others in big businesses, invest their money in these cities (think Trump Towers, etc.) for the wealthy that live and work in those cities and rarely invest money in small rural towns where they have nothing to gain financially. That yes, Chicago, like all big cities, has areas less safe than others. That big city taxpayers and blue States largely pay for the infrastructure to maintain and serve sparsely populated red areas.

Many young adults (including unfortunately currently my son) are disappointed Biden didn't magically solve all of the world's problems yet. My son will not be voting for Trump, but is considering not voting for Biden.

The expectation was Biden would be able to at least hold his own in the debate. He did not. Many are lead to believe if you can't stand up to ridiculously obviously lying 78 yo Trump, how can you stand up to those that want to do the US harm? Of course Trump is no match for Putin and being President is not like a WWF match, but many would prefer to cheer for the guy that looks like a winner.

Trump has not picked a Veep yet. That will be important as Trump will, no doubt, continue his tangential ranting, lying, and word salads (windmills, low flow showers and toilets, bare grocery store shelves that have actually been fully stocked since COVID, public hanging of people like Liz Cheney, cage match fights pitting immigrants against each other, mass deportations of workers that Americans depend on, etc.). That could make a difference.

[Irish_Dem]

15. Because they are a cult and we are not.

[LymphocyteLover]

30. that doesn't really address my question... the question is why is he winning despite being clearly very terrible?

[Irish_Dem]

43. Because his cult adores him despite the fact he is a ruthless sociopath/criminal.

In fact, they like the fact he is a special, entitled and privileged guy who gets away with all of his crimes.

They love the fact he is more like a reality TV star instead of a politician.

They love that he hates all the people they hate. And promises to punish and control various out groups.

They are impressed with all of his ill gotten wealth and lavish life style.

I could go on and on. But you get the drift, all the things we think are terrible, his cult thinks it is wonderful.

They also pretend that some of Trump's crimes are made up lies.

[LymphocyteLover]

58. but his cult alone shouldn't be enough for him to win

[Irish_Dem]

59. This is why the GOP has to cheat in a variety of ways.

The GOP knows their ideas are not popular with most Americans.
So they cheat in quite a few ways.

I first noticed this when the election exit polls didn't match the election results.
Around the time when Reagan "won." So it looked like there was some tinkering with
the voting. And then of course we know Reagan cheated by colluding
with our enemies during the campaign.

We know today that Trump and Putin are desperate to grab the WH again.
So we can assume they are currently cheating and will continue to do so
up until the election. We see evidence of the cheating almost every day right in front of us.

[LymphocyteLover]

60. So, I agree. .. but what's your suggestion on how to deal with this?

[Irish_Dem]

64. One way has been to identify the high cheat areas.

I think this can be done with voting data and demographic data.

I notice sometimes a Dem candidate keeps going back to one area even though
their numbers are good there. Are they trying to overcome the GOP cheating they know
will happen in a certain country or city? But making sure their win margin is as high as possible?

I had heard that Obama had this kind of data and knew exactly where he had to get a certain
margin to over come the GOP cheating.

[Inkey]

55. Poll Numbers

I know for my own experience with answering random phone calls in the past from supposed questioners about my opinion about politics is that I have ran into disingenuous push pollsters who try to steer the line of questions a certain way. I was made to feel uncomfortable where they were leading my answers.
I no longer answer random caller on my phone. I have other things to occupy my time. I suppose many of the people answering these pollsters either have too much time to deal with this, or know what the pollsters want for an answer, or just like trolling the rest of us for LOL'S.

[LymphocyteLover]

57. yes, agreed

[B.See]

41. But we sure as hell NEED to be. imo.

guns to a gunfight, not knives.

[unblock]

16. The media could destroy Donnie in a matter of days

But they clearly are heavily in his camp.

Biden paused briefly, so he must withdraw, Donnie got convicted but ho hum?

Clearly in his camp.

[Skittles]

26. Trump CULT

Dems = REAL WORLD

Try to imagine ANY Dem behaving like Donald Fucking Trump, especially a WOMAN or POC - they'd never come close to being nominated, let alone become PRESIDENT

IT'S A FUCKING CULT

[LymphocyteLover]

33. how does that help us if trump is winning?

[Skittles]

40. repukes are treated like white men, while Dems are treated like women / POC

Dems have to be twice as good to be considered half as good - that is why something like a "bad night" is DISASTROUS for us while Trump is given a pass for CONSTANTLY babbling gibberish.....we have to be better, WAY, WAY better

[DoBW]

29. they dusted off the 2016 playbook

same noise, fear tactics, hillary hillary blah blah blah, Biden Biden blah blah blah

[Funtatlaguy]

32. Greed, stupidity, bigotry, faux Christianity

[Hugin]

34. It's like this...

I got nothing.

But, I made you look.

[Silent Type]

36. All I want is for Democrats to win up and down the ballot.

[Goodheart]

39. It all boils down to the two most destructive forces in America... the two R's...

RACISM and RELIGION.

[LonePirate]

46. People are angry about inflation, interest rates and lack of affordable housing. It's that simple.

The current president always receives blame for problems in the country, no matter what they are or who/what is responsible.

[Calculating]

48. This

Daily life is a struggle right now for a lot of people.

[Calculating]

47. The forum rules prevent me from explaining why

...

[Zeitghost]

51. I could explain it

But my post would be promptly alerted on and then blocked.

This forum, for better and worse, does not support the discussion that strays too far from the preferred narrative.

[louslobbs]

52. Just get out the vote people and do your due diligence and prepare for

the worst….the Heritage Foundation expects a bloodless takeover of America and our compliance with project 2025. I will do my part to make sure that is NEVER realized.
It is our job to work as hard as we can to stop trump now….but if the fix is in….its our job to make implementing their plan “hurt like hell” as they try to force it upon us. One day the world just might have to put together an allied forces against maga america….i hope I’m wrong and I guess we all know how that would end. Vote, get out the vote, and stop doing the “maga machines” work for them.

[Stuart G]

53. Three words more: "TRUMP WON'T WIN"

[LymphocyteLover]

65. I'm doing what I can, but I live in Indiana

[lees1975]

54. The media is owned by MAGAts.

We've bought into all their lies and now we're running scared that it really may be as close as the polls say it is and there's a freak out over the debate.

There's no plan, it's all confusion and we re going to lose not because he is that popular but because we can't keep our shit together.

[Norbert]

61. We have media that thinks Ashli Babbitt is a tragedy but no mention yet of the Katie Johnson rape.

[LymphocyteLover]

66. it's appalling

[NameAlreadyTaken]

62. The power of cults

[orthoclad]

67. TV

We've all been watching the boob tube since before we were 5. He's a tv star. That lets him grab us.

[LymphocyteLover]

69. Ughh.... you would think more people would have woken up to him

[orthoclad]

71. Not enough, though

TV induces a highly suggestible semi-hypnotic state, disconnecting the frontal lobe and reaching down to older parts of the brain. The medium is the massage. Millions of people staring slack-jawed at the screen. The medium does not require any higher brain functions like listening to music or reading does. The viewer is a totally passive receptacle. This makes it a perfect propaganda medium, which is why far more is spent on producing advertising than on producing content.

I've talked with Trumpers who obviously have The Apprentice image instilled. The producers deserve to burn in Gehenna - unless they realease the unscripted tapes. Which have proably been long destroyed.

[LymphocyteLover]

72. good points