Who won the last debate?

[Eko]

19 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
	Biden
	16 (84%)
	Dump
	3 (16%)
	Tie
	0 (0%)
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[JohnSJ]

1. I didn't see, bu frankly if a rock was debating dump, I would say the rock won.

[anglesphere]

2. I love Ruth Ben-Ghiat's take on the debate

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She pointed out how messed up our assessment of what constitutes a "winning" debate performance.

Basically, why Trump lying his way through the debate with vigor and then being considered "the winner" is so wrong.

[0rganism]

3. No one won, and America lost

IMHO

[Eko]

4. Then it was a tie.

What did dump say or do that was equal to Biden?

[0rganism]

5. Sure, you can call it that if you want, I think of tying as having additional connotations

For instance, in a tie there's some common win condition that is in at least some sense zero-sum or exclusive. The tying participants are actually competing against one another in such an event. That's not quite what happened.

It wasn't about equality, really. Both participants looked awful in completely different ways. Their performances were both horrible, but perpendicular, like they were sucking at completely different events. You don't ask "what did the high-jumper do that was equal to the discus thrower?" and get specific, meaningful comparative answers. What millions of American voters saw was fashy Trump constantly lying his arrogant ass off with Biden looking confused and sounding weak.

To continue with the track&field analogy, if we suppose they were competing in a footrace, one contestant fell on his face at the starting gun while the other ran off sideways into the bleachers, broke into the broadcast room, and took a crap on the camera. Both get a DNF as far as the race goes but it doesn't make sense to me to say, "it's a draw." That's kind of missing the point.

Again, IMHO.

It was a sad night, a lost opportunity for Biden to dismantle TSF for the world to see. It might have hurt or helped one campaign or the other long term, that's hard to call at the moment. But that doesn't mean it was a tie.

[Eko]

7. Really?

Someone who fell in a race is the same as one who ran off sideways into the bleachers, broke into the broadcast room, and took a crap on the camera? Everyone falls sometimes. Not everyone takes a crap on the camera.

[0rganism]

16. I just plainly said they were NOT the same at all

Apparently we disagree regarding the outcome, and that's okay. Perhaps there's more than one way to sum it up. Please remember that the vast majority of voters will never read the transcript, but rather look to commentary from various public-facing pundits/analysts to distill the situation into relatively few words that give them a handle for future reference. The handle I've arrived at after watching the... [whatever it was] suggests an ambiguous long-term result which would be inadequately described by the word "tie". YMMV.

[wnylib]

8. Nothing. Trump told lies. Biden spoke factual truths.

So, no "equality."

[The Wandering Harper]

13. America lost

because Trump was Trump and Biden's bad week sparked all this nonsense about replacing him

[hlthe2b]

15. No... a dual fail (for far different reasons) is NOT a tie. It WAS a loss for the American people,however.

One did not get off the starting block and the other should have been disqualified with the first lie.

[Meadowoak]

6. No more debates with Trump, please.

You cannot debate a liar. A gish galloping liar at that. And CNN won't even enforce their own rules. Everyone made up their mind after Jan 6.

[JT45242]

9. Putin

Anything that sows chaos and can be amplified by Russian trolls, bots, and useful idiots is good for him.

[Eko]

10. I apologize but I didnt realize Putin was in the debate.

What were his winning points?

[Bucky]

12. His catspaw avoided getting called out for his lies.

In the real world, that's points on the board

[Bucky]

11. Trick question

That was not a debate.

But Trump got out of being effectively called out for his lies, high crimes, and attacks on democracy. To that extent, the losers were the voting public

[Doodley]

14. If the fallout from the debate is concerns you can't sell your platform and demands to step down, is that a win?