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highplainsdem

(51,815 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 02:37 PM Jul 2024

Bob Cesca: I've covered politics and worked in the news media for 35 years. The last 3 weeks have been the most

self-destructive, the most damaging to democracy, the most unethical three weeks for the political media I've ever observed. There are exceptions but it's nearly universal.



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Bob Cesca: I've covered politics and worked in the news media for 35 years. The last 3 weeks have been the most (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2024 OP
This happens every four years misanthrope Jul 2024 #1
Yep. I am quite shocked at the shock over corporate media. Marcus IM Jul 2024 #3
the embrace of open fascism is a little unexpected ProfessorPlum Jul 2024 #4
Me too, Professor Plum peggysue2 Jul 2024 #13
"DEMOCRACY IS A PARTISAN ISSUE?""" HUAJIAO Jul 2024 #31
WTF is that??? peggysue2 Jul 2024 #34
see post 71 Celerity Jul 20 #73
New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won't do it Celerity Jul 20 #71
That statement was disgusting Dave says Jul 2024 #40
Maybe... soldierant Jul 2024 #52
Democracy who needs democracy when you ride on the Big Daddy "Don" Near-Martyr Trump fun ship StClone Jul 2024 #57
Their jobs are to get ratings for their networks, not necessarily report the news. CrispyQ Jul 20 #81
I can't imagine wanting money so bad that you'd sell your own country out. NoSheep Jul 20 #59
Enemies of bdamomma Jul 20 #67
I cannot understand why every Democrat with Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 20 #64
I did! Mary Mac Jul 20 #86
Thank you! The Times has done some awful damage in the past (hello yellowcake), Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 20 #92
Same here PatSeg Jul 2024 #21
We did, indeed, PatSeg peggysue2 Jul 2024 #33
Probably because we are still a very young country PatSeg Jul 2024 #44
Took things bdamomma Jul 20 #68
Very good point Dave says Jul 2024 #42
Far too many still do. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 20 #65
Yes, it is hard to wrap my head around PatSeg Jul 20 #83
You are right Professor. Demsrule86 Jul 20 #77
I'm not shocked, I'm disgusted Dave says Jul 2024 #41
Angry is good bdamomma Jul 20 #69
Media has always been corporate, the majority Republican shareholders live love laugh Jul 2024 #55
Yes, but two things changed in the last 50 years misanthrope Jul 20 #61
I share the same feelings. I keep begging fellow dur's and personal friends glued to cable news, to Turn it off and keep msfiddlestix Jul 2024 #56
no, this is different Skittles Jul 2024 #9
+1... myohmy2 Jul 2024 #15
Exactly chia Jul 2024 #16
Do you remember the round-robin of swift boating that went on against John Kerry? Marcus IM Jul 2024 #19
I'm still pissed at the stupid band-aids stunt. Dave Bowman Jul 2024 #26
So playing dress up isn't a new thing for republicans. Claustrum Jul 2024 #29
You can't fix bdamomma Jul 20 #70
Kick for visability Demsrule86 Jul 20 #87
I do remember. blue neen Jul 2024 #27
My point is that it is the same players. The unhinged RW along with corporate media. Marcus IM Jul 2024 #35
Max Cleland displacedvermoter Jul 2024 #39
Max Cleland was blasted for questioning the wisdom of the war in Iraq Tweedy Jul 20 #62
Which by the way GigiLeigh Jul 2024 #48
Gore, Kerry, Dean, Hillary Cosmocat Jul 2024 #53
Kerry did not fight back hard against it. And they over covered it. FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #54
+ a zillion Dave says Jul 2024 #43
I am no spring chicken. This is unusual!!! Pacifist Patriot Jul 2024 #47
Yes. And to me it even far beyond unusual. It is insane and unhinged! emulatorloo Jul 20 #80
Not to the extent it is happening this year. It's like they're frantic to torpedo the Dems' chances across the board. Texin Jul 2024 #25
Does it ever Tweedy Jul 20 #60
Mr. Cesca is correct on all points. sheshe2 Jul 2024 #2
The media bdamomma Jul 2024 #5
The Media won't hear a word you say DENVERPOPS Jul 2024 #6
Oh, but we've heard ad infinitum since the Reagan era about the media's leftist tilt misanthrope Jul 2024 #12
That's certainly true. Not so funny anymore. calimary Jul 2024 #18
Operated By ProfessorGAC Jul 2024 #32
True..but we can turn it off en masse! All the networks ratings are way down, we can continue to push it further. PortTack Jul 2024 #37
⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Jul 2024 #45
I'm here on DU, NOT WATCH THE CRAP ALL THE NETWORKS ARE PUSHING...... a kennedy Jul 2024 #49
I've turned then off. 3rd day since the... shooting B.See Jul 2024 #50
Geez, bdamomma Jul 20 #84
It would be nice to have a voters' revolt that gives us House, Senate, White House... Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #8
I love their ratings have fallen to the basement. True Blue American Jul 2024 #30
Organized and orchestrated Warpy Jul 2024 #7
All the Uber Rich Oligarchs DENVERPOPS Jul 20 #91
This is great wryter2000 Jul 2024 #10
Not just a failure. An utter disaster. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #11
Like Kevin Roberts of the Heritage foundation, the media now seems to be telling us to just surrender. ShazamIam Jul 2024 #14
Kevin Roberts can bdamomma Jul 20 #75
Bob Cesca is right. and he's quoting Mueller She Wrote, one of the fewer and fewer voices out there I trust chia Jul 2024 #17
I agree. hay rick Jul 2024 #20
Cancel them all. Tansy_Gold Jul 2024 #22
There are other bdamomma Jul 20 #74
He is right. It is different this time because valleyrogue Jul 2024 #23
I Don't Necessarily Agree RobinA Jul 2024 #24
i agree. barbtries Jul 2024 #28
Agreed. Who TF is paying the punditry mzmolly Jul 2024 #36
Fox News and Sinclair media. And Fox is owned by an Australian. BradBo Jul 2024 #38
Mr. Cesca, your industry is compromised. It has been for decades. Magoo48 Jul 2024 #46
Yup gixxerlee Jul 2024 #51
Follow the money Randomthought Jul 20 #58
Fucking toilet-licking media can go straight to hell and take their tRump with them Blue Owl Jul 20 #63
Yes "the media is the one that should Drop OUt".. Stop Watching! Cha Jul 20 #66
There is going to be a boycott of the media get it out on social media. I can't use twitter...banned so anyone who can. Demsrule86 Jul 20 #79
This guy must be a kid. Irish_Dem Jul 20 #72
I just turned 68 and nothing has ever been this bad. You are correct it has always been a brawl emulatorloo Jul 20 #78
Our party has had many rough times. Irish_Dem Jul 20 #85
Yes we will get through it. emulatorloo Jul 20 #90
Here's a way we can help change that... Think. Again. Jul 20 #76
Boycott...send it on to your media folks. Anyone on Twitter keep this up unless and until Musk's goes after you. Demsrule86 Jul 20 #82
Kick Demsrule86 Jul 20 #88
Kick for visability. Demsrule86 Jul 20 #89
 

Marcus IM

(3,001 posts)
3. Yep. I am quite shocked at the shock over corporate media.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 02:46 PM
Jul 2024

I mean ... for years DUers have discussed and lamented the consolidation of media to just five or six Wall Street corporations.

How is it possible to be shocked?

peggysue2

(11,377 posts)
13. Me too, Professor Plum
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:53 PM
Jul 2024

Never saw the openly dismissive attitude towards supporting small 'd' democracy coming or anticipate the comment by Joe Kahn, editor at the NYTs, who claimed democracy was a partisan issue.

That comment shocked and disgusted me.

However, it certainly explained a lot of what we've been reading and witnessing.

HUAJIAO

(2,531 posts)
31. "DEMOCRACY IS A PARTISAN ISSUE?"""
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:07 PM
Jul 2024

What the fuck is that??

How did I miss that??
media is shit on a stick...

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
71. New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won't do it
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:28 AM
Jul 20


https://presswatchers.org/2024/05/new-york-times-editor-joe-kahn-says-defending-democracy-is-a-partisan-act-and-he-wont-do-it/


Joe Kahn, right, and Dean Baquet, in happier times. (NYT photo)


Joe Kahn, after two years in charge of the New York Times newsroom, has learned nothing. He had an extraordinary opportunity, upon taking over from Dean Baquet, to right the ship: to recognize that the Times was not warning sufficiently of the threat to democracy presented by a second Trump presidency. But to Kahn, democracy is a partisan issue and he’s not taking sides. He made that clear in an interview with obsequious former employee Ben Smith, now the editor of Semafor. Kahn accused those of us asking the Times to do better of wanting it to be a house organ of the Democratic party:



But critics like me aren’t asking the Times to abandon its independence. We’re asking the Times to recognize that it isn’t living up to its own standards of truth-telling and independence when it obfuscates the stakes of the 2024 election, covers up for Trump’s derangement, and goes out of its way to make Biden look weak. Kahn’s position is, not coincidentally, identical to that of his boss, publisher A.G. Sulzberger, who I recently wrote about in my post, “Why is New York Times campaign coverage so bad? Because that’s what the publisher wants.” And to the extent that Kahn has changed anything in the Times newsroom since Baquet left, it’s to double down on a form of objectivity that favors the comfortable-white-male perspective and considers anything else little more than hysteria.

Throwing Baquet under the bus, Kahn called the summer of the Black Lives Matter protests “an extreme moment” during which the Times lost its way. “I think we’ve learned from it. I think we found our footing after that,” he said. I translate that to mean that the old guard has reasserted total control over the rabble. But how, exactly, the Times lost its footing, he doesn’t explain. I’d love to see him point to a few articles that he considers went too far. Best I can tell, his real complaint is that the Times under Baquet hired too many young and diverse people who — in his view — don’t understand the rules. “I think there’s a larger number of people who we might at some point have hired, but we’ve asked the kind of questions or looked at the sort of work that they do, and wondered whether they’d be a good fit for us,” Kahn said, making it clear he won’t make that mistake again. His example was hyperbolic and not even vaguely credible:



I’d be willing to bet a large sum that no job candidate at the Times has ever said any such thing.

On Democracy

In one small paragraph, Kahn outdid himself. He:



Here’s what he said:



(Smith had asked Kahn to respond to Pfeiffer, a former Obama official, who recently complained that the editors at the Times “do not see their job as saving democracy or stopping an authoritarian from taking power.”) That one paragraph, posted on social media by NYU professor Jay Rosen, elicited a storm of critiques. Cartoonist Ruben Bolling was among those upset by Kahn’s dismissal of democracy as a key issue.



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Dave says

(4,877 posts)
40. That statement was disgusting
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:42 PM
Jul 2024

Joe Kahn should be fired. What a disgusting statement coming from the leader of the “venerable” New York Times.

StClone

(11,869 posts)
57. Democracy who needs democracy when you ride on the Big Daddy "Don" Near-Martyr Trump fun ship
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 10:42 PM
Jul 2024

The media is so scared of doing their jobs and looking like suck-ups for reporting unequivocal universal truths like Trump is a toxic, narcissist, felon, sexual assaulter, and cheating liar. Ranked worst President of all time and a would-be fascist dictator...that's the story Jack!

CrispyQ

(37,878 posts)
81. Their jobs are to get ratings for their networks, not necessarily report the news.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:53 AM
Jul 20

Trump brings in viewers. People who love him want to see him & people who hate him want to know what the fuck he's up to now. I couldn't believe when I read some of Howard Stern's most ardent followers are people who loathe him. Apparently they tune in to see what outrageous thing he'll say next.

On that note, some DUer said Howard did an excellent interview with President Biden, so I think I'll search it out today & compare Howard's interview to Lester Holt's.

NoSheep

(8,260 posts)
59. I can't imagine wanting money so bad that you'd sell your own country out.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:44 AM
Jul 20

Joe Kahn-traitor among traitors.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,977 posts)
92. Thank you! The Times has done some awful damage in the past (hello yellowcake),
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 02:36 PM
Jul 20

but this is by far the most egregious.

PatSeg

(49,582 posts)
21. Same here
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:48 PM
Jul 2024

Though I think it was probably unexpected to reasonable people in Germany and Italy during the 1930s. Somehow, Americans thought we were above all that.

PatSeg

(49,582 posts)
44. Probably because we are still a very young country
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:50 PM
Jul 2024

compared to Europe. Kind of the cocky, know-it-all teenagers.

bdamomma

(65,563 posts)
68. Took things
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:08 AM
Jul 20

for granted. Our parents generation had to sacrifice a lot to keep this nation free. We must keep our Democracy beating for our children, grandchildren, and their children.

We are much better than this.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,977 posts)
65. Far too many still do.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 03:12 AM
Jul 20

I get the TrumpCult not caring because, well, they're his cult. But the rest of the citizenry ought to be aware of what he's planning to do.

He has said it himself. He will ignore the US Constitution, he will politicize the DOJ to manufacture crimes by his opponents (or, as he calls them, enemies) and prosecute them in a politicized judicial system purged of impartial judges.

Yet, but we still have "undecided" voters???!!!

PatSeg

(49,582 posts)
83. Yes, it is hard to wrap my head around
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 10:05 AM
Jul 20

I understand that there are disinterested Americans who don't really follow politics all that much. What I don't understand is why they vote.

I also understand that there are people who don't care for Biden (I know a few), but with Trump as an alternative, why are they undecided.

Dave says

(4,877 posts)
41. I'm not shocked, I'm disgusted
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:44 PM
Jul 2024

We live in an oligarchy feeding riches to the already rich. As I said, I’m disgusted. And angry.

bdamomma

(65,563 posts)
69. Angry is good
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:16 AM
Jul 20

Angry = more votes. Remember this is a small slither of people (cultists) who are the minority.

We are the majority.

live love laugh

(14,073 posts)
55. Media has always been corporate, the majority Republican shareholders
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:32 PM
Jul 2024

across the board is what is different.

misanthrope

(8,004 posts)
61. Yes, but two things changed in the last 50 years
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:58 AM
Jul 20

The first was the idea of news as a loss leader for the broadcast networks. As part of the deal for broadcast licensing, they produced news as something that was more public service that profit maker. It began to shift after "60 Minutes" showed money could be made from news and the corporate philosophy changed.

Then came the death of the Fairness Doctrine.

msfiddlestix

(7,689 posts)
56. I share the same feelings. I keep begging fellow dur's and personal friends glued to cable news, to Turn it off and keep
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:41 PM
Jul 2024

it off. Stop being the commodity for these media vultures profiting to the tune of Billions of dollars creating ginned up crises and chaos at the expense of our democracy AND stability of society.
It's a drug people are addicted to and can't seem to go cold turkey.



Skittles

(157,570 posts)
9. no, this is different
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:31 PM
Jul 2024

a seemingly coordinated pile-on against one candidate while the other guy - a truly vile, despicable dictator-wannabe who ALREADY shows up on ALL the worst-presidents-of-all-time lists gets a free pass

 

Marcus IM

(3,001 posts)
19. Do you remember the round-robin of swift boating that went on against John Kerry?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:34 PM
Jul 2024

There are few more decent and honorable men than Kerry.

They called him a traitor. They ridiculed his combat medals, his Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts.

RNC attendees wore purple heart band-aids with "it's just a scratch" meme the Swiftboat liars fabricated.

It was very much the same.

And the same media acolytes.

I am not shocked. And I hate to say it.

Claustrum

(5,004 posts)
29. So playing dress up isn't a new thing for republicans.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:05 PM
Jul 2024

They have these cult like behavior long before TFG. I will never want to dress up like Obama or Biden to "show" my support. That doesn't mean I support Obama or Biden any less than they do with TFG. It's just that I don't do such a cultish thing.

bdamomma

(65,563 posts)
70. You can't fix
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:26 AM
Jul 20

STUPID.

But they have always been like this, remember the Tea Party? Now they are MAGATS!! People with a freaking chip on their shoulders.

blue neen

(12,401 posts)
27. I do remember.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:02 PM
Jul 2024

It was disgusting and infuriating. John Kerry deserved much, much better.

I remember a picture from the RNC that year. It was an older woman with a purple band aid on her face, and you could tell that she was soooooooooo very pleased with herself.

Again, the disrespect shown for John Kerry was awful.

 

Marcus IM

(3,001 posts)
35. My point is that it is the same players. The unhinged RW along with corporate media.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jul 2024

That's why I say I am not shocked at the same players doing the same thing again.

Will Dems ever learn the plays in the RW playbook?

They use the same plays over and over and over - and people are still shocked??

That is truly shocking. Child-like. Like Charlie Brown and Lucy.



displacedvermoter

(2,727 posts)
39. Max Cleland
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:37 PM
Jul 2024

I will never forget the shameful treatment he received. Ann Coulter said he blew himself up with a grenade because he was drunk. Voters of Georgia responded to this sliming of a mutilated veteran by voting him out of office.

None of this vileness is new, just it is now constant and the media no longer even pretends to be shocked by it.

Tweedy

(916 posts)
62. Max Cleland was blasted for questioning the wisdom of the war in Iraq
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 01:01 AM
Jul 20

Some even called him a traitor. Time proved him right. Nobody apologized.

This time is different. Americans want to be happy again. Democrats can give us that
We have an excellent story to tell! The gop has a pack of lies and hate to sell.

Cosmocat

(14,875 posts)
53. Gore, Kerry, Dean, Hillary
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:11 PM
Jul 2024

It's more craven and overt this time, but this has been the same shit every D faces. BHO and a stupid flagpin, the reverend what's his name ... Clinton hot piled on for all kinds of stupidity.

Texin

(2,627 posts)
25. Not to the extent it is happening this year. It's like they're frantic to torpedo the Dems' chances across the board.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:57 PM
Jul 2024

Tweedy

(916 posts)
60. Does it ever
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:50 AM
Jul 20

We need to get business convinced to rid themselves of cool algorithms and return to old school advertisement placement for the good of us all, businesses too. The public and the media needs advertisements next to legit news. We don’t need tons of funds flowing to sites promoting hate, division and disinformation !!

The only thing anybody is gaining from all of this data collection is new and better ways to manipulate free people into running around like chicken littles and elevate absurdities like brexit and trump. The tech bros might dislike this truth; that dislike doesn’t change the truth, though.

bdamomma

(65,563 posts)
5. The media
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 02:57 PM
Jul 2024

has to be called out on this..............they are supposed to be giving fair analysis of news to the electorate!!! not bashing us or our democracy. What the hell???? They are even basing President Biden. Hell, even the Democrats are!!! What is going on???? Big pay outs????? Sweet deals???? I hope they choke on that money.

Let their ratings keep on falling. But I can't seem to shake the feeling that this is all orchestrated by that visit from Orban, this is what dictators do to news organizations, force feeding the electorate propaganda resulting in people into tuning out the news. It's really sickening.

DENVERPOPS

(9,786 posts)
6. The Media won't hear a word you say
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:28 PM
Jul 2024

95+% of ALL media in the U.S. is owned/operated by Uber rich or right wing Corporations.....

misanthrope

(8,004 posts)
12. Oh, but we've heard ad infinitum since the Reagan era about the media's leftist tilt
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:45 PM
Jul 2024

It always made me roll my eyes or laugh. It's not so funny anymore.

ProfessorGAC

(69,191 posts)
32. Operated By
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:14 PM
Jul 2024

Not owned by. Let's direct our ire at the appropriate target.
The mass media ownership is highly diverse with few individuals owning even 5% of one company or another.
Investment funds, which include 401k & IRA plans, hold 6 or 7 of the top 10 share concentrations in nearly all these companies (Faux being an obvious example of the opposite.)
There is just not enough holdings by individuals, no matter how preposterously wealthy, to set their agenda.
The issue seems to be the mindset of those who rise to those high executive levels, & their motivations for getting to those positions in the first place.

PortTack

(34,194 posts)
37. True..but we can turn it off en masse! All the networks ratings are way down, we can continue to push it further.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:26 PM
Jul 2024

Yes, it does hurt their advert dollars.

B.See

(3,074 posts)
50. I've turned then off. 3rd day since the... shooting
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:49 PM
Jul 2024

Skipped between the big 3 and PBS to catch snippets of news NOT having to do with calls for Biden to drop out or Trump or the RNC.

Caught plenty of HGTV, TLC and random game shows though.

Stuck to select articles from news aggregators. Pick what u wanna read, skip the rest.

bdamomma

(65,563 posts)
84. Geez,
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 10:19 AM
Jul 20

I haven't watched the news since his ear patch incident!! He's playing that up isn't he??? POS, he is.

It was an about face from the Media. Are Joy and Lawrence in our corner still??

Is there any talk about Project 2025???? At least that was being reported, before the "attempt".

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,239 posts)
8. It would be nice to have a voters' revolt that gives us House, Senate, White House...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:31 PM
Jul 2024

And then, break up these conglomerates. All those mergers should not have been rubber-stamped.

Every Republican administration turns agencies like the EPA, FCC, FTC on their heads so they work for corporations instead of working to regulate corporations for us.

True Blue American

(18,118 posts)
30. I love their ratings have fallen to the basement.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:07 PM
Jul 2024

Only a few on MSNBC are fit to watch now. The hosts havefallen in line. They actually pulled Scarborough off the air. He knows Trump well and tells the truth about him. A little late because he and Mika pushed for him until he made fun of her facelift and threatened to expose their affair.


Warpy

(113,000 posts)
7. Organized and orchestrated
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:29 PM
Jul 2024

The rich men who control the six media companies are terrified their tax cuts will end.

They really hate supporting the country that made them so rich.

DENVERPOPS

(9,786 posts)
91. All the Uber Rich Oligarchs
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:38 PM
Jul 20

can think about is Trump/Republicans will extend the Tax Breaks, and ALSO install even more tax cuts for the rich.

Their wet dreams are to return to the "Gilded Age" and bring back the days of the "Robber Barons".....

And to be candid, it is not just the Republican Uber Rich Oligarchs, there are Democrat Uber Rich Oligarchs in the mix....

Baitball Blogger

(47,627 posts)
11. Not just a failure. An utter disaster.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:42 PM
Jul 2024

Where did these people get educated? They could have used an ethics class or two.

Truth is, America's institutions have been in a spiraling downfall for some time. So many "one-off's have occurred that we're just not buying it anymore. These things are not coincidental.

ShazamIam

(2,662 posts)
14. Like Kevin Roberts of the Heritage foundation, the media now seems to be telling us to just surrender.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:00 PM
Jul 2024

If you didn't see it or have forgotten here is his statement.

"We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be."

bdamomma

(65,563 posts)
75. Kevin Roberts can
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:40 AM
Jul 20

STFU.

All this division and hate gets me sick, and how many of them are Putin's puppets?

chia

(2,338 posts)
17. Bob Cesca is right. and he's quoting Mueller She Wrote, one of the fewer and fewer voices out there I trust
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:26 PM
Jul 2024

hay rick

(8,128 posts)
20. I agree.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:41 PM
Jul 2024

The media has passed a tipping point. Preserving corporate privileges is now more important than protecting a functioning democracy. I am reviewing my subscriptions with an eye toward cancellations and finding new alternatives.

bdamomma

(65,563 posts)
74. There are other
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:31 AM
Jul 20

news sources out there, Free speech TV, Pro Publica, The Atlantic.

Have to give a donation to Free Speech.org.

valleyrogue

(832 posts)
23. He is right. It is different this time because
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:53 PM
Jul 2024

now the media are literally making shit up trying to drive him out. The stories are fictitious but the characters are real. And then we have certain backstabbers contacting donors because, well, because of the debate. At least so they claim.

There is no way this hot mess called Donald Trump can possibly prevail unless there is widespread fraud everywhere. I just don't see it. His support is far less than it was four years ago, eight years ago. That is because he is a known quantity, and most people out there don't like what they see and hear. They are sick of the lies, they are sick of the insanity. Vance does nothing to advance the ticket's chances.

I think all of the polls and stories are fabricated in order to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

RobinA

(10,100 posts)
24. I Don't Necessarily Agree
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:55 PM
Jul 2024

The media reports what's happening. What about Trump is a secret? If Nancy Pelosi and Obama tell Biden he should step down should the media ignore that? I don't blame the messenger. I think we are in uncharted water here, and Pelosi, the NYT, Obama, other media, Biden, Shiff et al. don't have any better idea how to handle it than any other Joe. Just because we don't get the Trump thing doesn't no one out there does.

Randomthought

(878 posts)
58. Follow the money
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:22 AM
Jul 20

It's always about the money. I'm 74 years old and fucking tired of this. If TFG. Is elected we are out of here. I hope Spain or Portugal will take us.

Demsrule86

(70,773 posts)
79. There is going to be a boycott of the media get it out on social media. I can't use twitter...banned so anyone who can.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:50 AM
Jul 20

It starts the 21st of July tomorrow...they tried to destroy our chances and still whining about it. I am so disappointed in MSNBC. There is a post about it. I am going to kick it.

emulatorloo

(45,503 posts)
78. I just turned 68 and nothing has ever been this bad. You are correct it has always been a brawl
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:46 AM
Jul 20

but this is magnitudes worse than anything I’ve seen from the political media.

FWIW Cesca is 53, he’s no kid.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
85. Our party has had many rough times.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 10:29 AM
Jul 20

The first one I remember is the murder of JFK.
Then Vietnam Nam. LBJ stepping down.
Assassination of prominent liberals.
1968 convention.
Segregation. Civil rights. Women’s rights.
McGovern vs RFK.
The relentless harassment of the Clinton’s.
The SC theft of Gore’s victory.

I am probably forgetting some.

But now yes we face unprecedented existential crises right now. The loss of our democracy and the US may be taken over by a ruthless group of sociopaths.

And we are looking at an internal bruising political brawl between a sitting president and party leaders.

We have gotten through all the other crises, we will get through this one too.

Demsrule86

(70,773 posts)
82. Boycott...send it on to your media folks. Anyone on Twitter keep this up unless and until Musk's goes after you.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:57 AM
Jul 20

We can do this. Also, keep it kicked. Anyone know if we can post it like the money link so even lurkers see it?


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