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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSenator Sherrod Brown calls for JoeBiden to drop out of the race for president.
GPV
(72,938 posts)Scrivener7
(52,027 posts)mzmolly
(51,399 posts)and cowardly. How dare they!
Ocelot II
(119,060 posts)Aren't there enough daggers in Joe's back already?
newdeal2
(485 posts)No need to keep sending these messages publicly if Biden is dropping out imminently.
Magoo48
(4,956 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,320 posts)dem4decades
(11,670 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,320 posts)misanthrope
(7,877 posts)Just because I note a zebra's stripes, it doesn't mean I dislike them.
live love laugh
(13,933 posts)Freethinker65
(10,690 posts)LisaL
(46,134 posts)So presumably donations are very big.
Freethinker65
(10,690 posts)If I was a donor, I wouldn't give a dime to anyone that caves on their principles this easily. Besides, Congress will only serve as a rubber stamp during Trump's next term. Trump would just demand States ignore any legislation passed if it got overridden by his veto. SCOTUS won't do shit to stop Trump now that everything can be considered an official duty.
LisaL
(46,134 posts)NT
catbyte
(35,261 posts)What the actual fuck is wrong with them?
4139
(1,976 posts)polichick
(37,356 posts)Bengus81
(7,255 posts)polichick
(37,356 posts)who dont like Bidens plan to tax the wealthy - or if decent guys like Sherrod know something about Bidens health that we dont.
Trueblue1968
(17,711 posts)Blue Full Moon
(639 posts)My experience is that is exactly what he is. Look at his voting record. But, he does vote on some progressive social laws. The other guy is a nightmare.
polichick
(37,356 posts)Blue Full Moon
(639 posts)Sorry but that is the comment made.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)That attribution is made up, never happened.
Calling that dodgy smear attempt out.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)Sherrod Brown has been a wonderful Democratic progressive Senator, and one from a RED State I might add, for ages.
Your smear attempt against him is shameful.
You should self delete.
Blue Full Moon
(639 posts)I live in Ohio. And I have called him. He supports corporations and not working people. His voting record is public look at how he votes. He needs primaried. What is shameful is him helping trump win. Ohio Democratic Party Facebook others see him for what he is. Maybe you should try going there.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)You said:
Yet for this account you are on atm:
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)I was raised there (west London, and for a brief spell in Hong Kong). I did live, in the mid to later 2010s, in the US for several years whilst I read for my MBA in Los Angeles. After returning to London once I had earned that degree, we (my GF, now wife) moved to Sweden. I am half Swedish, half Bajan (Barbados). My wife is Swedish but born and raised in London. I am the only member of family who is a US citizen, due to the US jus soli (aka birthright citizenship) Constitutional construct.
I have always, since I joined DU 6 years ago, been open about my background.
Irish_Dem
(55,280 posts)It is ridiculous to think that so many members of our own party have sold out our democracy.
Blue Full Moon
(639 posts)Is our team. Hopefully all these anti-Joe politicians will apologize. Then it will make it easier to choose them on the ballot. Instead of marking them begrudgingly.
Irish_Dem
(55,280 posts)Thank goodness
Bengus81
(7,255 posts)I did. I won't.
LisaL
(46,134 posts)LOL.
Cha
(302,395 posts)Big Donors to stop Donating to PJB but he's fundraising to those who Voted for Biden and don't want their Vote taken Away
Very Wrong with this picture.
onecaliberal
(34,945 posts)Yorkie Mom
(16,520 posts)Yorkie Mom
(16,520 posts)It's all so sad, frustrating, and scary. WTF is going to happen?
doc03
(36,196 posts)had changed in the last year. Same goes in DC, people in his staff that see him every day haven't
noticed his decline but others that saw him 6 months or a year ago have noticed the decline. I didn't
watch more than 2 minutes of the debate, I turned it off, I couldn't watch. He talked so low I could not
understand a word he said. Whether someone else could do better against Trump I don't know. I don't
know how any sane intelligent person you picked off the street couldn't beat Trump.
Haggard Celine
(16,951 posts)He looked bad from the moment he arrived and it just got worse and worse. I really don't like so much uncertainty about our politics. Don't know who should run or if Biden should stay in. I think it's too late to change horses.
Irish_Dem
(55,280 posts)We should know more this weekend or the next week.
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edisdead
(3,118 posts)Irish_Dem
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.), who has already called on President Biden to withdraw from the presidential race, says Biden did not recognize him at a ceremony in Normandy, France last month.
Every time we crossed paths and I caught his eye, he would break into that big, wide Joe Biden grin and say how glad he was to see me. It was like that just last Christmas at the White House Ball, Moulton wrote in a column in the Boston Globe.
More recently, I saw him in a small group at Normandy for the 80th anniversary of D-Day. For the first time, he didnt seem to recognize me, he added.
It was a crushing realization, and not because a person I care about had a rough night but because everything is riding on Bidens ability to beat Donald Trump in November, he continued. America needs him to win and, like most Americans, Im no longer confident that he can. The president should bow out of the race.
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)You said:
That is in error in terms of the time construct. Moulton's drop-out call had not occurred yet.
Thus my initial reply to you.
In your reply to me now you make a further error time-wise.
You said:
Again, there were not active actions (in re calling for Biden to drop out) coming from Moulton when they met in Normandy. Those actions were yet to occur.
Both of your constructs are faulty due to errors in time you posited.
It is not complicated, nor is it at all difficult to see 'my point'.
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)The Normandy meeting (which was before Moulton said Biden) was one of the reasons given by Moulton, as Moultonsaid Biden did not even recognise him.
Biden is also not a mind reader, he had no idea, when they met in Normandy, what Moulton was thinking then, nor what he would do in the future.
You were twice in error, timeframe wise, as shown conclusively before. Those two clear flaws in your original constructs still stand.
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)framing in regards to my actual statements in a failed attempt to try and muddy the water and distract from your 2 clear errors in the timeline of your constructs.
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)Response to Celerity (Reply #136)
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)Even IF Moulton contacted Biden (about dropping out) the next day after their seeing each other in Normandy (highly doubtful but for the sake of argument let's say he did) you still were in error when you used the past (stabbed in the back) or directly at the time of their Normandy meeting (stabbing in the back) constructs.
The Moulton 'call for Biden to drop out' had not happened yet when they met in Normandy. Biden had no idea that Moulton would do that in the future.
It really is that simple.
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)in post 140.
You already asked me about (and self deleted as I was replying) whether I thought Biden should drop out.
NO, I do not, I am NOT one of the many who have.
Now, in post 140, you tried to imply nefarious motives on my part for extra spice, all in an attempt to distract from your errors. I absolutely dispute your attempts to smear me.
Again, I repeat, I do not want Biden to drop out, and the article snippet I posted was to show when their meeting occurred and what Moulton (NOT me) said.
You have done nothing but deny, evade, subject slide, and now are attempting to falsely impute bad motives on my part (post 140), all in a failed attempt to distract from your own errors.
Finally, in this latest reply you double down and repeat the same erroneous timeframe-related language.
You just said:
I still won't recognize someone that is actively stabbing me in the back.
Moulton's call to drop out had not occurred at the time of their Normandy encounter, thus 'stabbed' and 'stabbing' are incorrect constructs given the timeframe of events.
You made the errors, own them.
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)then self-deleted as I was replying.
I already answered you question about Biden's memory in a reply of mine, in post143:
You are not posting in good faith as you are running riot with self-deletes (and not just on replies to me, but to other posters as well), and also you are constantly shifting the subject for deflection purposes (away from my original point about you clear errors in time-related wordings) as well as attempting to me on the back foot (which will never work, I am pretty much immune to that).
I do not recall ever seeing this many self-deletes in one thread from one person before, it makes any sort of good faith colloquy well nigh impossible:
DiamondShark
(944 posts)And I "owned it" by deleting the posts that offended you. See post 143 for your request.
Are we done here? Do you agree Biden doesn't have memory problems?
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Celerity
(46,154 posts)you also said:
I did NOT ask you a single time in this thread to self-delete a post of yours.
That was another poster I replied to, and I only did it once.
DiamondShark
(944 posts)Deminpenn
(15,796 posts)that if candidates think running away from the top of the ticket helps them, they'll do it. Biden recognizes it's just politics and we should too.
Ocelot II
(119,060 posts)newdeal2
(485 posts)I just hope it wraps up soon e.g. this weekend even if it hurts seeing all of this at once.
Let them get it out of their system.
Then let Biden respond and make his decision.
a kennedy
(31,285 posts)Welcome.
newdeal2
(485 posts)Finally felt compelled to join after the last few weeks of this craziness
a kennedy
(31,285 posts)Cha
(302,395 posts)thinking Biden would understand.. I know Nancy Pelosi did with all the decades of hate Spewed at her over the years. :
Tickle
(2,891 posts)I hope the president can work through this
Blaukraut
(5,829 posts)When it's the mega donors blackmailing them into making these public statements? At least be honest, saying "Sorry Joe. We need the cash, so you need to go".
Doodley
(9,794 posts)edisdead
(3,118 posts)Shrek
(4,054 posts)LisaL
(46,134 posts)He isn't saying his constituents are concerned about Biden in any way, shape or form. He is saying his constituents are concerned about issues. There is no logic in his statement whatsoever as to why Biden should step down because of Brown's constituents being concerned about issues.
Hope22
(2,361 posts)Because I thought Brown was smart enough to know a stupid idea when he sees one! I cant believe he would act to make my primary vote be canceled out! Not in a lifetime! Trust me, I did write him an email today to voice my displeasure.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)want Biden to drop out and/or they do not think he is up to it. All of that is well outside the MOE. They also have internal polling that is not made public that likely shows the same thing.
People here can say every poll they do not like the results of (and some say that even for polls they do like the results of) is wrong, every poll is cooked, every poll is completely non-predictive, every poll is created from thin air and pre-ordained to show exactly what the pollsters and the candidates and the sponsoring organsiations want in advance, BUT that is not all all how elected politicians and their campaign staffs look at them. If they felt that way, they would not collectively drop tens of millions USD on polling.
I personally am NOT at all saying he should drop out, but that is what these elected Dems and their staffs are looking at, plus, of course, the donor situation, and then also they are talking to and receiving direct feedback from their constituents.
Many of the 'drop-outers' are looking at the numbers for their own races as well, plus the House and the Senate in toto.
tritsofme
(18,002 posts)LisaL
(46,134 posts)Well, if Biden drops out, we probably won't have any democrats on the ballot running for president because of August 7th deadline.
Does Brown think things will turn out well for his re-election then?
Ms. Toad
(35,131 posts)The law was changed and, although it is not effective now, it will be by September 1 (the new deadline, and the deadline which all deadlines for assembling that ballot are tied).
LisaL
(46,134 posts)It takes 90 days for law to take effect. August 7th deadline therefore stands this election cycle.
La Rose have said as much.
Ms. Toad
(35,131 posts)The law was changed for this election cycle, and this election cycle alone.
You can't run an election based on election law that no longer exists. As of September 1, the old law no longer exists (for this election cycle), so the old deadlines are gone. LaRose's comments were made in April and May, before DeWine forced the legislature back into a special session to amend the law.
LisaL
(46,134 posts)Therefore the August 7th deadline will still be in place
giving rise to litigation and/or GOP games to create more hurdles and road blocks, Harrison wrote.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4775689-dnc-chair-nate-silver-ohio-ballot-deadline/
Ms. Toad
(35,131 posts)Is not the same as saying the Sept 1 deadline is not enforceable.
As I indicated early, I understand the motivation to take away the potential for game playing. But that, and trying to shut down the current calls for Biden to resign, are all it is.
The new law only goes into effect after the old deadline has passed, opening a gray area and an avenue for legal challenges.
We have to play it safe and avoid that
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Ms. Toad
(35,131 posts)It is the DNC decision (nominations are national, not state by state).
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Ms. Toad
(35,131 posts)It isn't our decision. The decision belongs to the DNC.
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Ms. Toad
(35,131 posts)(I couldn't find a more recent statement when I responded yesterday, but I knew he had made one.)
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2024/07/19/ohio-dems-wary-of-deadline-confusion-push-for-early-biden-virtual-vote/74467795007/
liberalmuse
(18,823 posts)From corporate lobbyists and hes up in the top 10. Tester is #1. Maria Cantwell is in the top 3 so I expect her to call for Biden to drop out soon. If so, I will not vote for her in the primary. Im sure you can pull any corporate donation list and guess who will be next. The oligarchs are trying to hijack our election.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,889 posts)a kennedy
(31,285 posts)Yup......ITs GAWD DAMN MONEY, THATS IT. DAMN IT.
liberalmuse
(18,823 posts)Its chilling. This is just one list!
FloridaBlues
(4,300 posts)They dont like the new ticket. How high will they want them to jump than .
Phoenix61
(17,329 posts)Are they naive enough to think those donors will only pull this shit once? Because once you cave to this they know you can be bought. The only conversation left is how much you cost.
FloridaBlues
(4,300 posts)a kennedy
(31,285 posts)This is just giving the orange piece of shit more momentum. 🤬 🤬 🤬
soandso
(314 posts)ecstatic
(33,864 posts)His reasoning doesn't make sense: Biden ending his campaign would be a huge distraction from the issues, wouldn't it? Not to mention all the attention on the replacement, new VP, etc.
LisaL
(46,134 posts)Does Brown think that is going to help him? But it was clear he wasn't supportive.
Also, rich donors are promising campaign money for doing what Brown just did.
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MagickMuffin
(16,715 posts)Bidens agenda hasnt changed, but it appears you have.
I seem to remember days gone by where candidates campaigned for one another. Lifted one other up talked about our accomplishments and the future, while attacking our opponents.
Why arent we doing this anymore?
doc03
(36,196 posts)MagickMuffin
(16,715 posts)Both candidates want the same exact outcome to win and defeat republicans.
Are the women in Ohio fine with having no reproductive health care? No abortions, no contraception, among other things.
Do Ohioans think President Biden wont have any input on our Social Safety net programs?
If Biden were to campaign along side Sen Brown:
Would Ohioans stay home? Would they not want to help get rid of republicans control of our freedoms. I find the cut and run crowd to becoming more damaging to the Biden-Harris campaign and I for one dont like it.
We should be building each candidate up and not beating them down. But thats just me.
Bengus81
(7,255 posts)That is just
weird?
He says hes heard from lots of Ohioans who want to talk about jobs and abortion and crime, then he says he agrees with these Ohioans that we should be talking about jobs and abortion and crime, and then hes just like Oh and by the way I think the president should end his campaign.
LisaL
(46,134 posts)He is not even claiming that his constituents (I am one of them, by the way) were concerned about Biden in any way, shape or form. Well, he can go on and try to get himself elected, I guess. But I wouldn't be surprised if he fails miserably.
Bleacher Creature
(11,350 posts)I'm guessing that his internal polling is showing that Biden is dragging him down on the ticket, leaving him no choice but to put out this statement. But because he doesn't want to denigrate a wildly successful President and a genuinely good man, we get this jumbled mess.
LisaL
(46,134 posts)They don't have a plan of who that miracle worker is going to be to help them to win their red states.
Cha
(302,395 posts)Issues should quit his job.
I'm guessing Sen Sherrod Brown thinks throwing Pres Biden under the Bush will help his reelection? I just read that Biden had said in his Presser that he understood if that's what they needed to do. Something like that...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19190544
LisaL
(46,134 posts)They are not hiding it.
Arabela
(66 posts)Bengus81
(7,255 posts)Arabela
(66 posts)The payment already went through unfortunately.
The Bopper
(241 posts)Senate seat lost. Ohio Democrats wont vote for a gutless candidate.
LisaL
(46,134 posts)I think he is toast.
PikaBlue
(176 posts)As the hours tick by, we can see the pressure to step down is ramping up. Definitely a coordinated effort by our party. I can only surmise that Joe is putting up a fight or they wouldn't continue to breadcrumb the messages. Kamala's phone call with donors will probably be the breaking point. Isn't it so ironic? In order to "save" democracy, our party nullifies our votes, duplicitly removes the legitimately elected candidate, and will slip in the one or ones that a handful of donors are willing to pay for. Breaks my heart.
LisaL
(46,134 posts)NT
Blue Owl
(53,532 posts)KNOCK IT OFF -- JOE IS STAYING IN!
LisaL
(46,134 posts)He is not even claiming his constituents were concerned about Biden. Biden isn't preventing him from working on whatever issues his constituents are having.
LisaL
(46,134 posts)In OH, we might end up with no democrat on the ballot because we will miss Aug 7th deadline if Biden is forced out. How does Sherrod thinks it's going to help him?
misanthrope
(7,877 posts)Donors who will weather the dissolve into autocracy far better than the voters will.
Maeve
(42,732 posts)I expected better of you.
Still got my vote, but...damn!
LexVegas
(6,335 posts)OneGrassRoot
(23,308 posts)underpants
(185,025 posts)LisaL
(46,134 posts)But who does he think would help him to win in OH?
underpants
(185,025 posts)LisaL
(46,134 posts)NT
bluestarone
(17,827 posts)Ok, what you say JOE? That's the ONLY voice i'm concerned about!
bigtree
(88,641 posts)...hey, fuck the voters, right?
Don't even mention us.
Just this cutsie little display.
We don't deserve any of this, but they're pretending like Joe Biden is the issue here, not our votes.
FloridaBlues
(4,300 posts)3 weeks of negative media coverage plus 2 weeks of public humiliation of the President if polling tanks. Self fulfilling prophecy.
Donors may not come back to the just leave please crowd esp if they dont like the new ticket.
Stop the drip drip.
no_hypocrisy
(47,949 posts)JI7
(90,033 posts)appmanga
(794 posts)...is Biden should leave the race. I don't know where they're getting their private polling from and public polling actually had Tester and Brown running AHEAD of Biden. They are now trying to do a "death by 1000 cuts" strategy. These people are playing right into the hands of the MAGA party.
alarimer
(16,410 posts)Im going to answer one of those texts with why not ask your billionaire buddies?
Miami Blue
(135 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:41 PM - Edit history (1)
Hey Sherrod,
So you mean that you agree with the many Republican Ohioans reaching out to you?
How about your fellow Democrat Ohioans,
the million who love and endorse
President Biden?
Hey Shertod,
Can you please take a look at Ohio's voter
affiliation breakdown is currently as
follows:
Number of Registered voters in Ohio: 7,982,501
Number of Registered Democrats: 947,027
Number of Registered Republicans: 836,080
Number of Unaffiliated Registered voters:
6,196,547
And don't you forget that Ohio's Democrats
are the only ones who always come out to
vote for you LOSER.
still-prayin4rain
(222 posts)I think some dems think it can stay under wraps and some think it will inevitably come out a week before the election and tank things.
It doesn't even have to be that bad for people to start panicking. I hope Biden is healthy, of course, but that's my guess.
emulatorloo
(45,449 posts)They claimed he had Parkinsons disease. That turned out to be bullshit.
My guess is something medical. No offense but Bidens already proved you wrong.
These folks are dealing in rumor, innuendo, and bullshit.
P.S. From our partners in NATO:
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz says it's a "big mistake to underestimate" Biden.
"As someone that is speaking with Biden, he's very focused... doing what the president of the United States has to do
_----------
From lapucelle:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219136300
President Macron has something to say...
Press pool reporter asked French President Macron about his impression of Biden:
Macron: "I dont understand your question about President Biden. He is my counterpart. He is the President of the United States & we are happy to have him as the President of the United States."
Link to tweet
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From bigtree:
Prime Minister Keir Starmer praises President Biden as being in "excellent shape" following their meeting at NATO summit
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219135384
🚨 BREAKING: Despite speculation about President Biden's health, Prime Minister Keir Starmer praises President Biden as being in "excellent shape" following their meeting at a NATO summit.
Starmer commended Biden's leadership and detailed understanding of issues, countering calls for the President to step down.
Sky News @SkyNews
Sir Keir Starmer says criticism of Joe Biden is 'misguided' after holding a meeting with the US president at the NATO summit.
'My own personal view is he was on good form, and we went through a lot,' Sir Keir told Sky's @BethRigby
more: https://news.sky.com/story/an-election-landslide-the-oval-office-and-what-his-parents-would-have-thought-an-insight-into-starmers-world-13176640
When I asked him about President Biden's cognitive ability in light of the storm around whether he should run for a second term, the prime minister was forthright.
"We worked at pace and he was on good form with me," said Sir Keir.
When I asked him, twice, whether the criticism of the president was misguided, he told me, simply, "yes", adding: "My own personal view is he was on good form and we went through a lot.
"I was very keen obviously to discuss Ukraine, but there were many other issues that we, we got through last night."
With a successful visit to the White House, hugs from President Macron, and meetings with Chancellor Schloz and President Zelenskyy to name a few of those Sir Keir has managed to greet in the past 48 hours, the trip will go down as a triumph in Number 10, with aides particularly pleased - as the prime minister noted in our interview - that the bilateral meeting with President Biden overran.
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Emile
(27,388 posts)DFW
(55,834 posts)December 6, 2017:
Sherrod Brown
@SenSherrodBrown
I have listened to them. I have listened to my female colleagues, to women I work with and women in my life. And I agree the time has come for Senator Franken to step aside.
Whereas Senator Brown has consistently voted on the right side of every major issue, and therefore deserves to be returned to office as opposed to any Republican, he is obviously capable of making personal judgments I completely disagree with.
First and foremost (up until today) was his cruel, hasty urging of Al Franken to resign the Senate. And now this, about which I feel nearly as strongly. The difference is that this time, I was not surprised. When Senator Brown called me asking for a contribution--one I broke my own rule to give him--I asked him if he even knew how many of us Americans Abroad there were. He guessed between 250,000 and 300,000. Wrong, Senator. There are nine million of us. Before he goes calling guys like me asking for money, he needs to be fully informed. I am positive he was wrong about Al Franken, and did him a major injustice, for which he has never apologized. I KNOW he was wrong about the number of Americans Abroad by a factor of thirty. I think he is wrong again here. I hope President Biden is magnanimous enough to forgive him during his second term. I would have a hard time, but that's why I'm a peon, and Joe Biden is President.
Casandia
(813 posts)Blue Owl
(53,532 posts)Iggo
(48,030 posts)So let Trump win? Because fentanyl?
eShirl
(18,684 posts)Emile
(27,388 posts)bucolic_frolic
(45,616 posts)He probably thinks this will help him in OH Senate race.
MrWowWow
(244 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:01 AM - Edit history (1)
As a political whore, he's patently transparent.
JT45242
(2,646 posts)There the truth filter fixes his tweet.
I used to respect him. Again, after the election, if he wins crappy committee assignments if any.
Don't lie and say it is the constituents.