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Senator Sherrod Brown calls for JoeBiden to drop out of the race for president. (Original Post) Yorkie Mom Jul 2024 OP
Oh, Jesus God! GPV Jul 2024 #1
What the fuck is going on?? Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #2
It's beyond sad mzmolly Jul 2024 #51
Et tu, Sherrod? Ocelot II Jul 2024 #3
This makes me wonder if it's not really over newdeal2 Jul 2024 #10
And why not a unified statement instead of this one-at-a-time trickle? Magoo48 Jul 2024 #36
Because that wouldn't get their individual names in the headlines. NYC Liberal Jul 2024 #74
Do we hate Sherrod now too? dem4decades Jul 2024 #78
Who said anything about hate? NYC Liberal Jul 2024 #82
It isn't hatred to realize the vast majority of politicos are attention whores misanthrope Jul 2024 #86
Who is "we"? live love laugh Jul 2024 #95
The campaign donations better be worth it. Freethinker65 Jul 2024 #4
Well, those donors are very rich. LisaL Jul 2024 #30
I hope they got the money up front. Freethinker65 Jul 2024 #38
That would be smart. LisaL Jul 2024 #45
That's disappointing. Don't these Nervous Nellies know they are playing right into Tr*mp's hand? catbyte Jul 2024 #5
et tu Sherrod?! 4139 Jul 2024 #6
Difficult to see Sherrod as a corporate tool. polichick Jul 2024 #7
Agree...one of the last I would have thought to join in on this BS... n/t Bengus81 Jul 2024 #13
Makes me wonder if politicians are being bribed by big donors... polichick Jul 2024 #54
WHAT the crap is really going on ???? WE, The Voters have a right to know. Trueblue1968 Jul 2024 #115
Actually very easy Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #52
Hmm, never saw him that way. Maybe big donors got to him too then. polichick Jul 2024 #58
I have called about an issue and got told imediately that corporations can do as they please. Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #70
I call bullshit. You are just continuing your smearing of Brown. No chance Brown would ever say: Celerity Jul 2024 #128
Bollocks. A 3 week old anonymous account smearing Brown as a corporate tool w/ nothing backing up the smear is sus AF. Celerity Jul 2024 #122
Actually been a member since 2003 Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #124
Why are you using multiple accounts? Celerity Jul 2024 #129
Ohio Democratic Party Facebook Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #125
I now live in central Stockholm, yes. Born in Los Angeles, parents moved back to London when I was very young. Celerity Jul 2024 #135
Yes. They cannot all have gone to the dark side. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #106
With Pelosi making it clearBiden/Harris Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #142
Oh did she finally come out with a statement ? Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #146
Anyone else get a email today to donate to Adam Schiff? Bengus81 Jul 2024 #8
Donate to Adam Schiff? LisaL Jul 2024 #48
TY Maybe you could tell them why? Seems Schiff wants the Cha Jul 2024 #98
Yes. My reply wasn't pretty. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #108
And add Seth Moulton Yorkie Mom Jul 2024 #9
I think this is what it's all about. Read what Seth Moulton says. Yorkie Mom Jul 2024 #27
I have heard reports that several of the leaders at Normandy were shocked at how Biden doc03 Jul 2024 #61
I also couldn't watch the debate. Haggard Celine Jul 2024 #134
I think we are seeing what is going to happen. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #103
oh? I thought you said next week? edisdead Jul 2024 #111
One to seven days should give us more information. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #102
your timeline is off, the D-Day memorial in Normandy was weeks before Moulton called for Biden to drop out Celerity Jul 2024 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #118
When they met in Normandy, Biden had no clue Moulton would tell him to drop out in the future Celerity Jul 2024 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #123
Biden cannot time travel. Moulton had NOT yet called upon Biden to drop out when they met in Normandy. Celerity Jul 2024 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #130
Lol, talk about a non sequitur. Nothing I said remotely stated any such thing. You are now employing a false, invented Celerity Jul 2024 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #133
And the subject slide is now complete. Done here. Celerity Jul 2024 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #138
I concede nothing. You made two clear timeframe errors, as conclusively shown. Celerity Jul 2024 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #140
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #141
Twice now (posts 137 and 140) you have self-deleted as I was replying, including accusing me of nefarious motives Celerity Jul 2024 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #147
that is patently untrue, you DID accuse me of having sus motives in post 140, and you (like you also did in post 137) Celerity Jul 2024 #149
wow DiamondShark Jul 2024 #150
Yep, I did quote your post 116, if you were sus there, that is on you. DiamondShark Jul 2024 #157
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #148
I did not know that DU'ers were under a DiamondShark-mandated clock for how long we have to reply to meet your wishes Celerity Jul 2024 #152
Double wow. DiamondShark Jul 2024 #154
Biden said in his presser Deminpenn Jul 2024 #11
But it certainly doesn't help the public perception of Biden's ability to continue. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #16
This is what I think as well newdeal2 Jul 2024 #23
Hey, newdeal2 how'd ya hear of Democratic Underground??? a kennedy Jul 2024 #31
Longtime lurker newdeal2 Jul 2024 #46
DU IS THE BEST PLACE...... a kennedy Jul 2024 #72
Oh Thanks for that.. I was Cha Jul 2024 #99
This train is growing Tickle Jul 2024 #12
Why are they all blaming their constituents demanding that Biden drop out? Blaukraut Jul 2024 #14
Polls show two-thirds of Democrats think Joe should drop out. So, yes, his constituents matter. Doodley Jul 2024 #41
That poll also showed majority of Repubs wanted Trump to step down. edisdead Jul 2024 #112
Do you have any evidence that he's lying about his constituents? n/t Shrek Jul 2024 #47
Look at his message. LisaL Jul 2024 #53
Well I for one did not call him about forcing Biden's resignation Hope22 Jul 2024 #131
Have you looked at the polls on that question? In most of them, a large majority of Dems (even higher for indies) Celerity Jul 2024 #107
Yikes, wasn't expecting him. tritsofme Jul 2024 #15
I was, based on what he was quoted as saying some days ago. LisaL Jul 2024 #21
The Ohio deadline for a major party to name its nominee is September 1. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #55
That's not accurate. LisaL Jul 2024 #60
Ninety days is August 31 or September 1. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #65
That's not what DNC chair thinks. LisaL Jul 2024 #73
Meeting the August 7 deadline to avoid legal challenges Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #81
This! Amishman Jul 2024 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #105
It isn't an decision Ohio can make - Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #117
Your title says "Ohio Democrats" will play it safe. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #120
From La Rose now. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #110
I was just looking at who receives the most money liberalmuse Jul 2024 #17
It's always going to be the ones who are in the most competitive races. BlueCheeseAgain Jul 2024 #24
Sorry, just read your post.....and damn it, that IS IT....10th on the list??? a kennedy Jul 2024 #26
I was looking at Brown's name there towards the top minutes before he came out. liberalmuse Jul 2024 #50
They are fooling themselves suppose $$ donors don't return to them. Suppose FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #71
And how many times will they want them to jump. Phoenix61 Jul 2024 #93
Exactly when is it enough... won't be for them. Scrappy Joe you do you and fight back! FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #94
No damn way.........oh shoot. a kennedy Jul 2024 #18
So much for democracy soandso Jul 2024 #19
poorly executed ecstatic Jul 2024 #20
We might end up not having a democratic candidate on a ballot in OH because of the deadline. LisaL Jul 2024 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author doc03 Jul 2024 #79
Newsflash Senator, you should be campaigning along President Biden MagickMuffin Jul 2024 #22
It is Ohio he has to distance himself from Biden to be re-elected. doc03 Jul 2024 #80
Well I stand by my point, they should campaign together MagickMuffin Jul 2024 #85
Keep "Al Frankining" Biden until he says to HELL with it. Real smart................n/t Bengus81 Jul 2024 #25
WTAF EarlG Jul 2024 #29
It is freaking weird. LisaL Jul 2024 #35
It's a strange statement, but I think it's because he went out of his way not to criticize Biden. Bleacher Creature Jul 2024 #56
Who does he think is going to help him to win in OH? LisaL Jul 2024 #62
Yes, and BTW.. The President who Is Helping with all those Cha Jul 2024 #100
Donors are promising campaign money to those democrats who come out against Biden. LisaL Jul 2024 #104
WTF?! I just donated to his campaign yesterday, and I don't even live in Ohio. I want my money back. Arabela Jul 2024 #32
Go to your CC and deny payment,they'll ask for a reason so tell them... n't Bengus81 Jul 2024 #44
I just left him a voicemail expressing my disappointment. Arabela Jul 2024 #66
Another The Bopper Jul 2024 #33
I am one of those OH democrats and I agree. LisaL Jul 2024 #37
Joe Must be Putting Up a Fight PikaBlue Jul 2024 #34
Biden said multiple times he is not quitting, so clearly he is putting up a fight. LisaL Jul 2024 #40
Again with no offering of a backup plan Blue Owl Jul 2024 #39
And look at his reasoning. LisaL Jul 2024 #43
I don't think they have a backup plan. LisaL Jul 2024 #49
Nope, they are just dancing to the tune their donors are playing misanthrope Jul 2024 #87
Ah, damn, man! Maeve Jul 2024 #42
He'll go under the bus. nt LexVegas Jul 2024 #57
And he was shitty about it too. n/t OneGrassRoot Jul 2024 #59
He's in a tight campaign underpants Jul 2024 #63
It's likely worse than that. OH is a red state now. LisaL Jul 2024 #64
Maybe being seen as a bit not related to the party? underpants Jul 2024 #76
That didn't work for Tim Ryan. LisaL Jul 2024 #77
Oh, OK. bluestarone Jul 2024 #67
no fucking reason given bigtree Jul 2024 #68
These Dems are sinking themselves and the rest of us FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #69
They got to him too. no_hypocrisy Jul 2024 #75
No, The people of Ohio do not care about those issues JI7 Jul 2024 #83
The thing he doesn't list that Ohioans are saying... appmanga Jul 2024 #84
Well, he keeps begging me for money. alarimer Jul 2024 #88
Judas Sherrod, I think that you are a loser. Miami Blue Jul 2024 #89
There's something going on. My guess is something medical. I hope not, of course, but that's what I think is going on. still-prayin4rain Jul 2024 #90
They tried to claim he's senile. NATO conference proved he has a masterful grasp on global events. emulatorloo Jul 2024 #101
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #114
I would vote for Biden even if he was in ICU. Emile Jul 2024 #153
Where have I heard this before? Oh yes. DFW Jul 2024 #92
Excellent post! Deja vu all over again... Casandia Jul 2024 #97
My opinion of Sherrod has just dropped significantly Blue Owl Jul 2024 #126
That's it? Just "end his campaign?" Iggo Jul 2024 #144
stick to your day job, Senator eShirl Jul 2024 #145
This does not reflect good on Sherrod Brown. Emile Jul 2024 #151
Polling indicates the effect of Vance on the GOP ticket bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #155
Did Brown sell himself for enough money to the MegaDonors/Oligarchs? MrWowWow Jul 2024 #156
"I agree with the five megadonors who reached out to me" JT45242 Jul 2024 #158

newdeal2

(2,161 posts)
10. This makes me wonder if it's not really over
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:36 PM
Jul 2024

No need to keep sending these messages publicly if Biden is dropping out imminently.

misanthrope

(8,617 posts)
86. It isn't hatred to realize the vast majority of politicos are attention whores
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:47 PM
Jul 2024

Just because I note a zebra's stripes, it doesn't mean I dislike them.

Freethinker65

(11,194 posts)
38. I hope they got the money up front.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:46 PM
Jul 2024

If I was a donor, I wouldn't give a dime to anyone that caves on their principles this easily. Besides, Congress will only serve as a rubber stamp during Trump's next term. Trump would just demand States ignore any legislation passed if it got overridden by his veto. SCOTUS won't do shit to stop Trump now that everything can be considered an official duty.

catbyte

(36,647 posts)
5. That's disappointing. Don't these Nervous Nellies know they are playing right into Tr*mp's hand?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:34 PM
Jul 2024

What the actual fuck is wrong with them?

polichick

(37,626 posts)
54. Makes me wonder if politicians are being bribed by big donors...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:53 PM
Jul 2024

…who don’t like Biden’s plan to tax the wealthy - or if decent guys like Sherrod know something about Biden’s health that we don’t.

Blue Full Moon

(1,950 posts)
52. Actually very easy
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:52 PM
Jul 2024

My experience is that is exactly what he is. Look at his voting record. But, he does vote on some progressive social laws. The other guy is a nightmare.

Blue Full Moon

(1,950 posts)
70. I have called about an issue and got told imediately that corporations can do as they please.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:08 PM
Jul 2024

Sorry but that is the comment made.

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
128. I call bullshit. You are just continuing your smearing of Brown. No chance Brown would ever say:
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:44 AM
Jul 2024
corporations can do as they please


That attribution is made up, never happened.

Calling that dodgy smear attempt out.

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
122. Bollocks. A 3 week old anonymous account smearing Brown as a corporate tool w/ nothing backing up the smear is sus AF.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:18 AM
Jul 2024

Sherrod Brown has been a wonderful Democratic progressive Senator, and one from a RED State I might add, for ages.

Your smear attempt against him is shameful.

You should self delete.

Blue Full Moon

(1,950 posts)
124. Actually been a member since 2003
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:36 AM
Jul 2024

I live in Ohio. And I have called him. He supports corporations and not working people. His voting record is public look at how he votes. He needs primaried. What is shameful is him helping trump win. Ohio Democratic Party Facebook others see him for what he is. Maybe you should try going there.

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
129. Why are you using multiple accounts?
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:53 AM
Jul 2024

You said:

Actually been a member since 2003


Yet for this account you are on atm:

Blue Full Moon's Profile

Account status: Active
Member since: Fri Jun 28, 2024, 03:04 AM
Number of posts, all time: 428
Number of posts, last 90 days: 428




Celerity

(48,965 posts)
135. I now live in central Stockholm, yes. Born in Los Angeles, parents moved back to London when I was very young.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 01:21 AM
Jul 2024

I was raised there (west London, and for a brief spell in Hong Kong). I did live, in the mid to later 2010s, in the US for several years whilst I read for my MBA in Los Angeles. After returning to London once I had earned that degree, we (my GF, now wife) moved to Sweden. I am half Swedish, half Bajan (Barbados). My wife is Swedish but born and raised in London. I am the only member of family who is a US citizen, due to the US jus soli (aka birthright citizenship) Constitutional construct.

I have always, since I joined DU 6 years ago, been open about my background.

Irish_Dem

(67,129 posts)
106. Yes. They cannot all have gone to the dark side.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 06:42 AM
Jul 2024

It is ridiculous to think that so many members of our own party have sold out our democracy.

Blue Full Moon

(1,950 posts)
142. With Pelosi making it clearBiden/Harris
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 02:33 AM
Jul 2024

Is our team. Hopefully all these anti-Joe politicians will apologize. Then it will make it easier to choose them on the ballot. Instead of marking them begrudgingly.

Cha

(309,197 posts)
98. TY Maybe you could tell them why? Seems Schiff wants the
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 05:05 AM
Jul 2024

Big Donors to stop Donating to PJB but he's fundraising to those who Voted for Biden and don't want their Vote taken Away

Very Wrong with this picture.

Yorkie Mom

(16,576 posts)
27. I think this is what it's all about. Read what Seth Moulton says.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:40 PM
Jul 2024

It's all so sad, frustrating, and scary. WTF is going to happen?

doc03

(37,630 posts)
61. I have heard reports that several of the leaders at Normandy were shocked at how Biden
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:56 PM
Jul 2024

had changed in the last year. Same goes in DC, people in his staff that see him every day haven't
noticed his decline but others that saw him 6 months or a year ago have noticed the decline. I didn't
watch more than 2 minutes of the debate, I turned it off, I couldn't watch. He talked so low I could not
understand a word he said. Whether someone else could do better against Trump I don't know. I don't
know how any sane intelligent person you picked off the street couldn't beat Trump.

Haggard Celine

(17,119 posts)
134. I also couldn't watch the debate.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 01:20 AM
Jul 2024

He looked bad from the moment he arrived and it just got worse and worse. I really don't like so much uncertainty about our politics. Don't know who should run or if Biden should stay in. I think it's too late to change horses.

Irish_Dem

(67,129 posts)
96. I think we are seeing what is going to happen.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 04:15 AM
Jul 2024

We should know more this weekend or the next week.

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #96)

Response to Yorkie Mom (Reply #27)

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
116. your timeline is off, the D-Day memorial in Normandy was weeks before Moulton called for Biden to drop out
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 01:03 PM
Jul 2024
https://thehill.com/homenews/4782550-democrat-biden-didnt-recognize-me/

Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.), who has already called on President Biden to withdraw from the presidential race, says Biden did not recognize him at a ceremony in Normandy, France last month.

“Every time we crossed paths and I caught his eye, he would break into that big, wide Joe Biden grin and say how glad he was to see me. It was like that just last Christmas at the White House Ball,” Moulton wrote in a column in the Boston Globe.

“More recently, I saw him in a small group at Normandy for the 80th anniversary of D-Day. For the first time, he didn’t seem to recognize me,” he added.

“It was a crushing realization, and not because a person I care about had a rough night but because everything is riding on Biden’s ability to beat Donald Trump in November,” he continued. “America needs him to win and, like most Americans, I’m no longer confident that he can. The president should bow out of the race.”

snip

Response to Celerity (Reply #116)

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
121. When they met in Normandy, Biden had no clue Moulton would tell him to drop out in the future
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 11:09 PM
Jul 2024

You said:

I wouldn't recognize the person who just stabbed me in the back either.


That is in error in terms of the time construct. Moulton's drop-out call had not occurred yet.

Thus my initial reply to you.

In your reply to me now you make a further error time-wise.

You said:

I still won't recognize someone that is actively stabbing me in the back. Why should Biden.


Again, there were not active actions (in re calling for Biden to drop out) coming from Moulton when they met in Normandy. Those actions were yet to occur.

Both of your constructs are faulty due to errors in time you posited.

It is not complicated, nor is it at all difficult to see 'my point'.

Response to Celerity (Reply #121)

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
127. Biden cannot time travel. Moulton had NOT yet called upon Biden to drop out when they met in Normandy.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:43 AM
Jul 2024

The Normandy meeting (which was before Moulton said Biden) was one of the reasons given by Moulton, as Moultonsaid Biden did not even recognise him.

Biden is also not a mind reader, he had no idea, when they met in Normandy, what Moulton was thinking then, nor what he would do in the future.

You were twice in error, timeframe wise, as shown conclusively before. Those two clear flaws in your original constructs still stand.

Response to Celerity (Reply #127)

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
132. Lol, talk about a non sequitur. Nothing I said remotely stated any such thing. You are now employing a false, invented
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 01:08 AM
Jul 2024

framing in regards to my actual statements in a failed attempt to try and muddy the water and distract from your 2 clear errors in the timeline of your constructs.

Response to Celerity (Reply #132)

Response to Celerity (Reply #136)

Response to Celerity (Reply #136)

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
139. I concede nothing. You made two clear timeframe errors, as conclusively shown.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 01:51 AM
Jul 2024

Even IF Moulton contacted Biden (about dropping out) the next day after their seeing each other in Normandy (highly doubtful but for the sake of argument let's say he did) you still were in error when you used the past (stabbed in the back) or directly at the time of their Normandy meeting (stabbing in the back) constructs.

The Moulton 'call for Biden to drop out' had not happened yet when they met in Normandy. Biden had no idea that Moulton would do that in the future.

It really is that simple.

Response to Celerity (Reply #139)

Response to Celerity (Reply #139)

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
143. Twice now (posts 137 and 140) you have self-deleted as I was replying, including accusing me of nefarious motives
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 02:37 AM
Jul 2024

in post 140.

You already asked me about (and self deleted as I was replying) whether I thought Biden should drop out.

NO, I do not, I am NOT one of the many who have.

Now, in post 140, you tried to imply nefarious motives on my part for extra spice, all in an attempt to distract from your errors. I absolutely dispute your attempts to smear me.

Again, I repeat, I do not want Biden to drop out, and the article snippet I posted was to show when their meeting occurred and what Moulton (NOT me) said.

You have done nothing but deny, evade, subject slide, and now are attempting to falsely impute bad motives on my part (post 140), all in a failed attempt to distract from your own errors.

Finally, in this latest reply you double down and repeat the same erroneous timeframe-related language.

You just said:

I wouldn't recognize the person who just stabbed me in the back either.
I still won't recognize someone that is actively stabbing me in the back.


Moulton's call to drop out had not occurred at the time of their Normandy encounter, thus 'stabbed' and 'stabbing' are incorrect constructs given the timeframe of events.

You made the errors, own them.

Response to Celerity (Reply #143)

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
149. that is patently untrue, you DID accuse me of having sus motives in post 140, and you (like you also did in post 137)
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:41 AM
Jul 2024

then self-deleted as I was replying.

I already answered you question about Biden's memory in a reply of mine, in post143:

Again, I repeat, I do not want Biden to drop out, and the article snippet I posted was to show when their meeting occurred and what Moulton (NOT me) said.


You are not posting in good faith as you are running riot with self-deletes (and not just on replies to me, but to other posters as well), and also you are constantly shifting the subject for deflection purposes (away from my original point about you clear errors in time-related wordings) as well as attempting to me on the back foot (which will never work, I am pretty much immune to that).

I do not recall ever seeing this many self-deletes in one thread from one person before, it makes any sort of good faith colloquy well nigh impossible:





DiamondShark

(1,150 posts)
157. Yep, I did quote your post 116, if you were sus there, that is on you.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 08:16 AM
Jul 2024

And I "owned it" by deleting the posts that offended you. See post 143 for your request.

Are we done here? Do you agree Biden doesn't have memory problems?

Response to Celerity (Reply #143)

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
152. I did not know that DU'ers were under a DiamondShark-mandated clock for how long we have to reply to meet your wishes
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:53 AM
Jul 2024
You were taking too long to reply and I don't like editing.



you also said:

I deleted the posts you asked me to


I did NOT ask you a single time in this thread to self-delete a post of yours.

That was another poster I replied to, and I only did it once.

Deminpenn

(16,678 posts)
11. Biden said in his presser
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:36 PM
Jul 2024

that if candidates think running away from the top of the ticket helps them, they'll do it. Biden recognizes it's just politics and we should too.

newdeal2

(2,161 posts)
23. This is what I think as well
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:39 PM
Jul 2024

I just hope it wraps up soon e.g. this weekend even if it hurts seeing all of this at once.

Let them get it out of their system.

Then let Biden respond and make his decision.

newdeal2

(2,161 posts)
46. Longtime lurker
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:48 PM
Jul 2024

Finally felt compelled to join after the last few weeks of this craziness

Cha

(309,197 posts)
99. Oh Thanks for that.. I was
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 05:14 AM
Jul 2024

thinking Biden would understand.. I know Nancy Pelosi did with all the decades of hate Spewed at her over the years. :

Blaukraut

(5,954 posts)
14. Why are they all blaming their constituents demanding that Biden drop out?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:37 PM
Jul 2024

When it's the mega donors blackmailing them into making these public statements? At least be honest, saying "Sorry Joe. We need the cash, so you need to go".

Doodley

(10,646 posts)
41. Polls show two-thirds of Democrats think Joe should drop out. So, yes, his constituents matter.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:47 PM
Jul 2024

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
53. Look at his message.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:53 PM
Jul 2024

He isn't saying his constituents are concerned about Biden in any way, shape or form. He is saying his constituents are concerned about issues. There is no logic in his statement whatsoever as to why Biden should step down because of Brown's constituents being concerned about issues.

Hope22

(3,804 posts)
131. Well I for one did not call him about forcing Biden's resignation
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 01:01 AM
Jul 2024

Because I thought Brown was smart enough to know a stupid idea when he sees one! I can’t believe he would act to make my primary vote be canceled out! Not in a lifetime! Trust me, I did write him an email today to voice my displeasure.

Celerity

(48,965 posts)
107. Have you looked at the polls on that question? In most of them, a large majority of Dems (even higher for indies)
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 07:01 AM
Jul 2024

want Biden to drop out and/or they do not think he is up to it. All of that is well outside the MOE. They also have internal polling that is not made public that likely shows the same thing.

People here can say every poll they do not like the results of (and some say that even for polls they do like the results of) is wrong, every poll is cooked, every poll is completely non-predictive, every poll is created from thin air and pre-ordained to show exactly what the pollsters and the candidates and the sponsoring organsiations want in advance, BUT that is not all all how elected politicians and their campaign staffs look at them. If they felt that way, they would not collectively drop tens of millions USD on polling.

I personally am NOT at all saying he should drop out, but that is what these elected Dems and their staffs are looking at, plus, of course, the donor situation, and then also they are talking to and receiving direct feedback from their constituents.

Many of the 'drop-outers' are looking at the numbers for their own races as well, plus the House and the Senate in toto.

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
21. I was, based on what he was quoted as saying some days ago.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:39 PM
Jul 2024

Well, if Biden drops out, we probably won't have any democrats on the ballot running for president because of August 7th deadline.
Does Brown think things will turn out well for his re-election then?

Ms. Toad

(36,451 posts)
55. The Ohio deadline for a major party to name its nominee is September 1.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:54 PM
Jul 2024

The law was changed and, although it is not effective now, it will be by September 1 (the new deadline, and the deadline which all deadlines for assembling that ballot are tied).

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
60. That's not accurate.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:56 PM
Jul 2024

It takes 90 days for law to take effect. August 7th deadline therefore stands this election cycle.
La Rose have said as much.

Ms. Toad

(36,451 posts)
65. Ninety days is August 31 or September 1.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:00 PM
Jul 2024

The law was changed for this election cycle, and this election cycle alone.

You can't run an election based on election law that no longer exists. As of September 1, the old law no longer exists (for this election cycle), so the old deadlines are gone. LaRose's comments were made in April and May, before DeWine forced the legislature back into a special session to amend the law.

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
73. That's not what DNC chair thinks.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:16 PM
Jul 2024

“Therefore the August 7th deadline will still be in place… giving rise to litigation and/or GOP games to create more hurdles and road blocks,” Harrison wrote.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4775689-dnc-chair-nate-silver-ohio-ballot-deadline/

Ms. Toad

(36,451 posts)
81. Meeting the August 7 deadline to avoid legal challenges
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:28 PM
Jul 2024

Is not the same as saying the Sept 1 deadline is not enforceable.

As I indicated early, I understand the motivation to take away the potential for game playing. But that, and trying to shut down the current calls for Biden to resign, are all it is.

Amishman

(5,873 posts)
91. This!
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:15 PM
Jul 2024

The new law only goes into effect after the old deadline has passed, opening a gray area and an avenue for legal challenges.

We have to play it safe and avoid that

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #81)

Ms. Toad

(36,451 posts)
109. It isn't an decision Ohio can make -
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 11:59 AM
Jul 2024

It is the DNC decision (nominations are national, not state by state).

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #109)

Ms. Toad

(36,451 posts)
119. Your title says "Ohio Democrats" will play it safe.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:32 PM
Jul 2024

It isn't our decision. The decision belongs to the DNC.

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #119)

Ms. Toad

(36,451 posts)
110. From La Rose now.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:01 PM
Jul 2024
When is Ohio's deadline? Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose's office says they need the name of a Democratic nominee by Sept. 1.


(I couldn't find a more recent statement when I responded yesterday, but I knew he had made one.)

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2024/07/19/ohio-dems-wary-of-deadline-confusion-push-for-early-biden-virtual-vote/74467795007/

liberalmuse

(18,876 posts)
17. I was just looking at who receives the most money
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:38 PM
Jul 2024

From corporate lobbyists and he’s up in the top 10. Tester is #1. Maria Cantwell is in the top 3 so I expect her to call for Biden to drop out soon. If so, I will not vote for her in the primary. I’m sure you can pull any corporate donation list and guess who will be next. The oligarchs are trying to hijack our election.

a kennedy

(33,171 posts)
26. Sorry, just read your post.....and damn it, that IS IT....10th on the list???
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:40 PM
Jul 2024

Yup......IT’s GAWD DAMN MONEY, THAT’S IT. DAMN IT.

liberalmuse

(18,876 posts)
50. I was looking at Brown's name there towards the top minutes before he came out.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:51 PM
Jul 2024

It’s chilling. This is just one list!

FloridaBlues

(4,496 posts)
71. They are fooling themselves suppose $$ donors don't return to them. Suppose
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:12 PM
Jul 2024

They don’t like the new ticket. How high will they want them to jump than .

Phoenix61

(18,223 posts)
93. And how many times will they want them to jump.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:49 PM
Jul 2024

Are they naive enough to think those donors will only pull this shit once? Because once you cave to this they know you can be bought. The only conversation left is how much you cost.

a kennedy

(33,171 posts)
18. No damn way.........oh shoot.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:38 PM
Jul 2024

This is just giving the orange piece of shit more momentum. 🤬 🤬 🤬

ecstatic

(34,703 posts)
20. poorly executed
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:39 PM
Jul 2024

His reasoning doesn't make sense: Biden ending his campaign would be a huge distraction from the issues, wouldn't it? Not to mention all the attention on the replacement, new VP, etc.

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
28. We might end up not having a democratic candidate on a ballot in OH because of the deadline.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:41 PM
Jul 2024

Does Brown think that is going to help him? But it was clear he wasn't supportive.
Also, rich donors are promising campaign money for doing what Brown just did.

Response to LisaL (Reply #28)

MagickMuffin

(17,523 posts)
22. Newsflash Senator, you should be campaigning along President Biden
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:39 PM
Jul 2024


Biden’s agenda hasn’t changed, but it appears you have.


I seem to remember days gone by where candidates campaigned for one another. Lifted one other up talked about our accomplishments and the future, while attacking our opponents.

Why aren’t we doing this anymore?


MagickMuffin

(17,523 posts)
85. Well I stand by my point, they should campaign together
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:46 PM
Jul 2024


Both candidates want the same exact outcome to win and defeat republicans.

Are the women in Ohio fine with having no reproductive health care? No abortions, no contraception, among other things.

Do Ohioans think President Biden won’t have any input on our Social Safety net programs?

If Biden were to campaign along side Sen Brown:
Would Ohioans stay home? Would they not want to help get rid of republicans control of our freedoms. I find the cut and run crowd to becoming more damaging to the Biden-Harris campaign and I for one don’t like it.

We should be building each candidate up and not beating them down. But that’s just me.


EarlG

(22,813 posts)
29. WTAF
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:41 PM
Jul 2024

That is just… weird?

He says he’s heard from lots of Ohioans who want to talk about jobs and abortion and crime, then he says he agrees with these Ohioans that we should be talking about jobs and abortion and crime, and then he’s just like “Oh and by the way I think the president should end his campaign.”

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
35. It is freaking weird.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:45 PM
Jul 2024

He is not even claiming that his constituents (I am one of them, by the way) were concerned about Biden in any way, shape or form. Well, he can go on and try to get himself elected, I guess. But I wouldn't be surprised if he fails miserably.

Bleacher Creature

(11,497 posts)
56. It's a strange statement, but I think it's because he went out of his way not to criticize Biden.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:55 PM
Jul 2024

I'm guessing that his internal polling is showing that Biden is dragging him down on the ticket, leaving him no choice but to put out this statement. But because he doesn't want to denigrate a wildly successful President and a genuinely good man, we get this jumbled mess.

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
62. Who does he think is going to help him to win in OH?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:57 PM
Jul 2024

They don't have a plan of who that miracle worker is going to be to help them to win their red states.

Cha

(309,197 posts)
100. Yes, and BTW.. The President who Is Helping with all those
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 05:32 AM
Jul 2024

Issues should quit his job.

I'm guessing Sen Sherrod Brown thinks throwing Pres Biden under the Bush will help his reelection? I just read that Biden had said in his Presser that he understood if that's what they needed to do. Something like that...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19190544

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
104. Donors are promising campaign money to those democrats who come out against Biden.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 06:39 AM
Jul 2024

They are not hiding it.

Arabela

(67 posts)
32. WTF?! I just donated to his campaign yesterday, and I don't even live in Ohio. I want my money back.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:42 PM
Jul 2024

Arabela

(67 posts)
66. I just left him a voicemail expressing my disappointment.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:03 PM
Jul 2024

The payment already went through unfortunately.

PikaBlue

(278 posts)
34. Joe Must be Putting Up a Fight
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:43 PM
Jul 2024

As the hours tick by, we can see the pressure to step down is ramping up. Definitely a coordinated effort by our party. I can only surmise that Joe is putting up a fight or they wouldn't continue to breadcrumb the messages. Kamala's phone call with donors will probably be the breaking point. Isn't it so ironic? In order to "save" democracy, our party nullifies our votes, duplicitly removes the legitimately elected candidate, and will slip in the one or ones that a handful of donors are willing to pay for. Breaks my heart.

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
40. Biden said multiple times he is not quitting, so clearly he is putting up a fight.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:46 PM
Jul 2024

NT

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
43. And look at his reasoning.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:47 PM
Jul 2024

He is not even claiming his constituents were concerned about Biden. Biden isn't preventing him from working on whatever issues his constituents are having.

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
49. I don't think they have a backup plan.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:50 PM
Jul 2024

In OH, we might end up with no democrat on the ballot because we will miss Aug 7th deadline if Biden is forced out. How does Sherrod thinks it's going to help him?

misanthrope

(8,617 posts)
87. Nope, they are just dancing to the tune their donors are playing
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:50 PM
Jul 2024

Donors who will weather the dissolve into autocracy far better than the voters will.

LisaL

(47,157 posts)
64. It's likely worse than that. OH is a red state now.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:00 PM
Jul 2024

But who does he think would help him to win in OH?

bigtree

(91,709 posts)
68. no fucking reason given
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:04 PM
Jul 2024

...hey, fuck the voters, right?

Don't even mention us.

Just this cutsie little display.

We don't deserve any of this, but they're pretending like Joe Biden is the issue here, not our votes.

FloridaBlues

(4,496 posts)
69. These Dems are sinking themselves and the rest of us
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:07 PM
Jul 2024

3 weeks of negative media coverage plus 2 weeks of public humiliation of the President if polling tanks. Self fulfilling prophecy.
Donors may not come back to the “just leave please” crowd esp if they don’t like the new ticket.
Stop the drip drip.

appmanga

(1,069 posts)
84. The thing he doesn't list that Ohioans are saying...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:43 PM
Jul 2024

...is Biden should leave the race. I don't know where they're getting their private polling from and public polling actually had Tester and Brown running AHEAD of Biden. They are now trying to do a "death by 1000 cuts" strategy. These people are playing right into the hands of the MAGA party.

alarimer

(17,068 posts)
88. Well, he keeps begging me for money.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:01 PM
Jul 2024

I’m going to answer one of those texts with “why not ask your billionaire buddies?”

Miami Blue

(262 posts)
89. Judas Sherrod, I think that you are a loser.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:05 PM
Jul 2024

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Hey Sherrod,
So you mean that you agree with the many “Republican Ohioans” reaching out to you?
How about your fellow Democrat Ohioans,
the million who love and endorse
President Biden?

Hey Shertod,
Can you please take a look at Ohio's voter
affiliation breakdown is currently as
follows:

Number of Registered voters in Ohio: 7,982,501
Number of Registered Democrats: 947,027
Number of Registered Republicans: 836,080
Number of Unaffiliated Registered voters:
6,196,547

And don't you forget that Ohio's Democrats
are the only ones who always come out to
vote for you LOSER.


still-prayin4rain

(279 posts)
90. There's something going on. My guess is something medical. I hope not, of course, but that's what I think is going on.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:14 PM
Jul 2024

I think some dems think it can stay under wraps and some think it will inevitably come out a week before the election and tank things.

It doesn't even have to be that bad for people to start panicking. I hope Biden is healthy, of course, but that's my guess.

emulatorloo

(45,730 posts)
101. They tried to claim he's senile. NATO conference proved he has a masterful grasp on global events.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 06:03 AM
Jul 2024

They claimed he had Parkinson’s disease. That turned out to be bullshit.

‘ My guess is something medical.’ No offense but Biden’s already proved you wrong.

These folks are dealing in rumor, innuendo, and bullshit.



P.S. From our partners in NATO:

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz says it's a "big mistake to underestimate" Biden.

"As someone that is speaking with Biden, he's very focused... doing what the president of the United States has to do…”


Post by @meidastouch
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From lapucelle:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219136300

President Macron has something to say...

BREAKING: Macron Scolds Media for Questions About Biden

Press pool reporter asked French President Macron about his impression of Biden:

Macron: "I don’t understand your question about President Biden. He is my counterpart. He is the President of the United States & we are happy to have him as the President of the United States."





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From bigtree:

Prime Minister Keir Starmer praises President Biden as being in "excellent shape" following their meeting at NATO summit


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219135384


Chris D. Jackson @ChrisDJackson
🚨 BREAKING: Despite speculation about President Biden's health, Prime Minister Keir Starmer praises President Biden as being in "excellent shape" following their meeting at a NATO summit.

Starmer commended Biden's leadership and detailed understanding of issues, countering calls for the President to step down.

Sky News @SkyNews
Sir Keir Starmer says criticism of Joe Biden is 'misguided' after holding a meeting with the US president at the NATO summit.

'My own personal view is he was on good form, and we went through a lot,' Sir Keir told Sky's @BethRigby


more: https://news.sky.com/story/an-election-landslide-the-oval-office-and-what-his-parents-would-have-thought-an-insight-into-starmers-world-13176640

When I asked him about President Biden's cognitive ability in light of the storm around whether he should run for a second term, the prime minister was forthright.

"We worked at pace and he was on good form with me," said Sir Keir.

When I asked him, twice, whether the criticism of the president was misguided, he told me, simply, "yes", adding: "My own personal view is he was on good form and we went through a lot.

"I was very keen obviously to discuss Ukraine, but there were many other issues that we, we got through last night."

With a successful visit to the White House, hugs from President Macron, and meetings with Chancellor Schloz and President Zelenskyy to name a few of those Sir Keir has managed to greet in the past 48 hours, the trip will go down as a triumph in Number 10, with aides particularly pleased - as the prime minister noted in our interview - that the bilateral meeting with President Biden overran.



Response to emulatorloo (Reply #101)

DFW

(57,620 posts)
92. Where have I heard this before? Oh yes.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:31 PM
Jul 2024

December 6, 2017:
Sherrod Brown
@SenSherrodBrown
I have listened to them. I have listened to my female colleagues, to women I work with and women in my life. And I agree the time has come for Senator Franken to step aside.

Whereas Senator Brown has consistently voted on the right side of every major issue, and therefore deserves to be returned to office as opposed to any Republican, he is obviously capable of making personal judgments I completely disagree with.

First and foremost (up until today) was his cruel, hasty urging of Al Franken to resign the Senate. And now this, about which I feel nearly as strongly. The difference is that this time, I was not surprised. When Senator Brown called me asking for a contribution--one I broke my own rule to give him--I asked him if he even knew how many of us Americans Abroad there were. He guessed between 250,000 and 300,000. Wrong, Senator. There are nine million of us. Before he goes calling guys like me asking for money, he needs to be fully informed. I am positive he was wrong about Al Franken, and did him a major injustice, for which he has never apologized. I KNOW he was wrong about the number of Americans Abroad by a factor of thirty. I think he is wrong again here. I hope President Biden is magnanimous enough to forgive him during his second term. I would have a hard time, but that's why I'm a peon, and Joe Biden is President.

bucolic_frolic

(49,500 posts)
155. Polling indicates the effect of Vance on the GOP ticket
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:57 AM
Jul 2024

He probably thinks this will help him in OH Senate race.

MrWowWow

(519 posts)
156. Did Brown sell himself for enough money to the MegaDonors/Oligarchs?
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 08:07 AM
Jul 2024

Last edited Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:01 AM - Edit history (1)

As a political whore, he's patently transparent.

JT45242

(3,221 posts)
158. "I agree with the five megadonors who reached out to me"
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 08:50 AM
Jul 2024

There the truth filter fixes his tweet.

I used to respect him. Again, after the election, if he wins crappy committee assignments if any.

Don't lie and say it is the constituents.

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