I've given up all hope

[Siwsan]

Its been a rough go, for me, over the past week and this development of President Biden dropping out has left me ready to just give up.

I can't survive watching this nation crumble. July 4, 2026 will be just another day, if I'm here to see it.

[Walleye]

1. This really has been a tough week for everybody. I have no answers for this.

[Siwsan]

3. I predict that if the convicted felon 'wins' again, he won't be there for long. They chose Vance for a very good reason

To put him in the White House, ASAP after January 20.

[Walleye]

5. Oh yes, Trump is expendable to Putin

[samsingh]

71. I trust President Biden's decision and that he's doing what's best for the country!

[Bettie]

2. Me too

Well, it's gone. The experiment in Democracy is done.

We, the people, have lost and oligarchs have won.

So, we need to find a way to survive the coming dictatorship.

[Calculating]

6. It should be fine

Like living in Russia, just stay quite and don't piss off the wrong people.

[Bettie]

8. Everyone in my stupid little red town knows

we're liberals. Everyone.

I'm the secretary for our county Democratic party.

[B.See]

22. "Fine"? For those who can change a cap and

just blend in... MAYBE.

[niyad]

57. PLEASE tell me you forgot the sarcasm thingy!!!

[B.See]

70. Trump's Niece Says 'Nobody Will Be Safe' - 'That Is Explicitly Laid Out In Donald's Project 2025'

Trump's Niece Says 'Nobody Will Be Safe' - 'That Is Explicitly Laid Out In Donald's Project 2025' - Benzinga

“The man who launched a violent attack on the United States Capitol because he couldn't handle losing an election does not actually give a damn about unity,” said Mary Trump in a Substack post on Thursday.

The psychologist said her uncle was the same “cruel man” she has always known — one who got police officers injured by... inciting violent insurrectionists to attack the Capitol, who was behind the Supreme Court’s overturning of ... Roe vs. Wade ruling, and who sexually assaulted and defamed E. Jean Carroll. She also blamed Donald Trump for siding with enemies of the country and wanting to deport millions of people.

“All of these deplorable, anti-American fascists will be given an open invitation to infiltrate and then destroy the federal government,” Mary Trump said, adding “That plan that is explicitly laid out in Donald's Project 2025.”

“They will pledge their loyalty to Donald, not our country or to our Constitution. They will hurt countless Americans, and they will take sick pleasure in doing so,” she added.

[valleyrogue]

47. Yes. As somebody here pointed out earlier,

Democrats can't go around talking about the importance of democracy if the will of the voters was not honored in the nominating process.

[we can do it]

4. I feel the same, hugs to you. Can't imagine this after losing your little dear.😿

[PatSeg]

7. It is going to be hard for me to care about another candidate again

I'll still vote, but I am totally disgusted with politics and the mainstream media.

[Bettie]

9. Don't forget the olgarchs

and be ready to say good bye to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the ACA.

Oh, and overtimes pay, vacation time, safety regulations, clean air and water...everything that makes things even marginally livable.


And voting. Well, we've now been shown our votes mean less than nothing.

[PatSeg]

10. That's for sure

The voters chose Joe Biden, but many politicians and the mainstream media told us that our votes don't count.

[ShazzieB]

11. Even this candidate?

I was disappointed by the news, but as long as she's the candidate, I'll be excited to support her.

IF she somehow ended up not being the nominee, that WOULD knock me for a loop, but things seem to be well underway for the passing of the torch to her. Among other things, three states have already pledged all their delegates to her, and I'm sure there will be many more.

I am watching the special coverage on MSNBC right now, and it is very encouraging. In fact, I am feeling VERY hopeful. Go, Kamala!

[PatSeg]

12. It won't be the same for me

Of course I am hopeful that she wins, but it won't come with the same feeling I had when Joe won.

My vote for Joe wasn't just a vote against Trump; I have wanted to see him as President for a long time. It was a dream come true and once in the White House, he exceeded all my expectations.

So it is truly hard to get excited over a new candidate only hours after we lost our initial chosen candidate.

[democrattotheend]

14. I wasn't that excited about Biden in 2020

I've always liked him but it was just hard to get really excited about him. But he exceeded my expectations big time, and I wish he could have more time to govern without having to run another campaign. I am excited at the prospect of a woman president and a fresh start, but I feel like nobody will be as good at governing as Biden was. I do think this was the right decision, but I wish it didn't have to be this way.

[PatSeg]

19. We'll never know what a 2nd Biden term would

have been like, especially with the prospect of majorities in both houses. Perhaps he could have finished what he started. I couldn't believe how much he accomplished in a short period of time.

[Demsrule86]

30. You know what I just want a Democratic president...I like Kamala...but some Biden voters are likely to not turn out.

not because of Kamala who is great but because they give up. We saw it in 16. I just saw where NC pledged there delegates to Kamala...that was the first positive thing today...if we can avoid a contested convention, we could win.

[Bettie]

56. Anderson Clayton (current head of the NC Dem party) was an early

organizer for Harris. We saw her a lot in Iowa, at small town parades. She moved to the Warren campaign after Kamala dropped out.

She's a force of nature and a very nice young woman who seems to have a small nuclear reactor inside her to have that energy level.

[Demsrule86]

44. Yeah I felt that way when Hillary ran...I hope Kamala can win.

I like her.

[ribrepin]

15. I couldn't agree more

In 2008 Joe was my candidate, but that didn't work out. So I switched to Obama and was over the moon when he chose Biden as VP. After watching this shit show, I lost a lot of respect for Obama and his chosen pit bull Axelrod. Axelrod never liked Joe and he delighted in trashing Joe. Joe deserved better.

That being said, I am relieved that Biden won't have the added burden of campaigning. I have been increasing worried about him surviving the coming campaign.

[PatSeg]

20. You too?

Joe was my first choice in 2008. I am the one who started the original Joe Biden group here and I made friends with fellow Biden supporters that are still my friends today - we call ourselves "Bidenites".

Yeah, I was disappointed with the way Obama and Axelrod treated Joe. He most certainly deserved better.

[ShazzieB]

18. I understand!

Really, I do. It's relatively easy for me, because Biden wasn't my first choice in the beginning. I didn't really have a first choice in the 2020 primaries. A few favorites, yes, but not one particular person that I felt was THE ONE. I didn't actully get on board for Biden 100% until after the SC primary. I was ready to give my support to the Democrat who showed the most promise of being able to boot Trump's butt out of the White House, and SC convinced me that Biden was that Democrat.

I voted for him in my state's primary and have supported him whole-heartedly ever since and would have continued to do so. Seeing him be pushed to step aside has been very painful. But I know that it's not the kind of personal heartbreak for me that it is for some people, and you have reminded me that I need to not lose sight of that.

I wish all the best for Joe, Kamala, and all of us in the coming months, as well as healing for the wounds of those like yourself who have been his strongest supporters from the beginning.

[PatSeg]

21. Thank you ShazzieB

I am just hopeful that Biden will get the recognition he deserves. He truly was an extraordinary president and I am often surprised at how many people have no idea what all he has done.

[Demsrule86]

46. It didn't escape our notice that many who didn't support Biden never liked him despite the great accomplishments.

Well, I hope we don't end up with Trump because of this.

[roamer65]

13. The Declaration of Independence applies just as much now as it did in 1776.

If Dump’s cabal does not serve the American people, it is our right to abolish it.

[MustLoveBeagles]

16. Hang in there

[mackdaddy]

17. Joe Biden has exceeded all expectaitons. I TRUST his descision, even in dropping from re-election.

We do NOT know what Joe knows. I am sure this was hard for him but again I trust he knows what is best for all of us.

Joe Biden Chose Harris to be his vice president, and as his replacement in this race to become the NEXT PRESIDENT.

Joe Biden now has the last six months of his presidency to do what he can for all of us as president without having to zip around the country in a re-election campaign. And he now has even more power given to him by the Supreme Court.

I now have MORE than HOPE, I have Expectations of Greatness!!

[Demsrule86]

26. Joe can't help us now...he was forced out...

[totodeinhere]

32. He can and will help us now.

Joe Biden will campaign for VP Harris. He will hold events and raise funds and do all he can to see that she is elected. I am sure of that. That is the kind of guy that President Biden is.

[Demsrule86]

27. Joe can't help us now...he was forced out...

[Demsrule86]

23. I feel the same...Hubs is from Ireland...he was born here but his MOM and Dad were Irish.

We will send our Gay daughter there with her girlfriend if Trump wins. Hubs has the right of return.

[Tribetime]

24. Self de

[meadowlander]

28. I hear what you're feeling but why do you have so little hope in the rest of the Democratic bench?

We have an embarrassment of great politicians any one of whom should be able to beat Donald Trump, miserable, craven and incompetent fuck up that he is.

[walkingman]

29. I think Biden's incredible act of courage is energizing our party. We will win.

[Demsrule86]

53. Oh please... nice try. Biden was forced out...there is nothing heroic about this. Can we just stop pretending...

[anglesphere]

31. This video might make you feel

a little bit encouraged:

?si=xD0QagMSC5CbhwXW

His 'Plan B' for a Kamala Harris run is the encouraging part.

[Eko]

33. The Democratic party is you.

No matter what happens. It's each of us. As long as we still believe and fight for what we know is right we will be fine.
Giving up is what dump whats us to do, don't give that to him.

[Demsrule86]

35. What about the big donors? My primary vote was cancelled at the their behest.

[Eko]

43. Let me know which ones are upset about Biden dropping out

and I'll talk to them as well.

[Demsrule86]

52. I am dissapointed but I always vote. Not eveyone does. I have done get out the votes for decades...

this is a mess. I hope we win.

[Eko]

54. All you can do is all you can do.

Keep on keeponing.
Eko

[Eko]

48. I'm pissed about it as well.

I made a post titled "What the fuck was my vote for!". Part of my vote was for Kamala, so if that works out then all I can say is it's not as bad as it could have been. That being said after this is over if we win we need to revisit this.

[lapfog_1]

34. OMG... this entire thread

There are long term posters here with 10s of thousands of posts... I respect all of you.

And you are all giving up already?

I was a Biden guy waaay back... back when he FIRST ran to be President. And again in 2008. Wanted him to run in 2016 but understood his reasons why.

And I think we just witnessed one of the greatest most selfless acts of a President in history. He wasn't "pushed out" by "backstabbing Democrats" or "the oligarchs". He stepped down because he HAS a mental disability... an inability to do the job the way it needs to be done... and the likelihood that he cannot campaign good enough to beat Trump.

We aren't going to lose. We are going to win. And Kamala is NOT a tool of oligarchs, neither is Pelosi or Schumer.

Biden was clearly not the man he used to be... and the reporting is that he hasn't been mentally sharp for 6 months now.

Now the age and mental ability issue is a cross for TRUMP to carry. Along with his other 10 million "features" that voters don't like.

Get up out of the gutter of your depressions... and work like hell to elect Kamala Harris. I think we will ride this moment into a huge win in November. And we will owe it to Joe Biden!

[Demsrule86]

36. Well Kamala didn't do anything...now did Nancy...

[lapfog_1]

50. I honestly don't know what you mean.

Nancy does not need the backing of billionaires. She has a very safe district. And she is the best vote counter and strategist the Democrats have likely ever had.

She had ZERO motivations to "backstab" Biden. She has been House Speaker twice and has no ambitions to either be Speaker again or run for President or whatever.

When she went to talk to Biden about remaining on the ticket, it was out of concern about what was best for the nation and for the party.

When you care about something so much, it is just really hard to quit doing it. It's like when Joe Montana left the 49ers and went to the KC Chiefs. He knew he wasn't the greatest quarterback to every play the game ( in my view ) anymore... but he could not quit the game. No matter the state of his knees and arm. I get it. The niners got his backup, Steve Young, and went on to win more Superbowls. But it was a sad day when Joe left SF. But life goes on, we get knocked down but we get up again.

Time to get up again. We cannot let this decision by Biden end in defeat for our great party and make that defeat his legacy.

[Demsrule86]

72. We had a primary and votes were counted no one should fuck with such votes...and what happens if we don't win?

What then? Oops, we did our best I guess. All these folks- elected and money assholes- think they know better than voters. I don't agree. Either we have a Republic where folks vote and voting is respected...and not interfered with or we don't. And I will say this. It is my opinion that Biden was forced out by the donors blackmailing those who wanted donor money. Seriously, it makes me sick.

Of course, I will vote for the nominee...and it better be Kamala if we want to have any chance of winning. Also, it needs to be soon. Don't wait until the convention. The projected nominee needs to campaign immediately...not a month before early voting starts which would be right after the convention. We also need to bring in the lawyers immediately and try to tamp down the lawsuits from Republicans who will try to keep us off of presidential ballots: especially in swing states. The courts do not favor us as many know.

Many here know that I am the eternal optimist...but not this time. I hope we stop Trump. But I am worried. Those who orchestrated this took a terrible risk for fucking money...even though our Republic may not survive Trump. Well, let's get this show on the road before the convention. Some here call for an open convention which would almost certainly destroy our chances in the General.

[Demsrule86]

38. I would appreciate it if you would quit trashing Biden.

[obamanut2012]

40. Well said!

[Eko]

49. He has a mental disability?

Jeeze, delete that.

[lapfog_1]

59. no.. I have the same condition.

I am just in earlier stages of it. It is called aphasia. It is the inability to recall a name or a word you want to say. It get progressively worse.

When Biden is off the tele prompter you can see it... he will start to say something to make a point... stop... and sort of drift off and eventually says "whatever". I've seen him do it numerous times in live appearances. Some subjects like foreign affairs and NATO, he is the master ( despite his occasional stutter ). This has nothing to do with stuttering. It is the inability to remember something that you KNOW YOU KNOW. Reaching for a word or a name or something. Sometimes I forget the name of good friends from just a few years ago. My condition is not serious yet... but I see the signs of "covering". I am 13 years younger than Biden.

The job of President, if you take it seriously, is one of the hardest jobs on the planet... probably THE hardest jobs. If you get the DVD set of "The West Wing" be sure and watch the extras they added where they interview real ex-Presidents. As Jimmy Carter says... only the really difficult questions get to the President's desk, usually where there are lives at stake now and in the future. These decisions age you enormously ( but only if you care about other people than yourself ).

[Eko]

61. You dont really know that.

You are really just guessing. Again, you should delete that part.

[lapfog_1]

64. nope... there is reporting by people I respect that also say this

one reporter is Carl Bernstein. Yeah, a real nobody. Probably just wants to get quoted someplace so he can have some fame or likes.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/01/politics/video/carl-bernstein-biden-performance-presidential-debate-ac360-digvid

[Eko]

66. He is a journalist.

Do you often use the advice of journalists for medical advice?

[Eko]

67. I'm not in the gutter of my depressions.

I'm telling people to keep their heads up and keep fighting, you are the one saying things about the president that are negative that you don't know are true.

[lapfog_1]

68. I know what I have observed.

and what's been reported.

There was a reason the Nancy went to ask Biden to consider not running. I don't think it would be something less than a problem with Joe Biden himself.

But sure... you don't like what I said, I get that. Fine.

But I don't like what people are saying here about President Joe Biden... that he was too weak to stand up to the nefarious forces that did not want him to run again.

Do you have a different interpretation other than Biden is too weak? Because if you believe there is another explanation as to why Joe just dropped out I would love to hear it.

I am not going to be like "this is the end... the Democratic party is now owned by oligarchs... and they wanted Biden out so somehow they forced him out"

Anyway, lets see what happens in the next 3 weeks... and then we can decide who is right and who is wrong. My bet is we see an uptick in support for Kamala and the democrats everywhere. Maybe a big one.

[Eko]

69. Because,

He knew that staying in would continue to create division in the Democratic party apart and that a lot if not most of the big donors were leaving him. I have not seen everything by far on here but I've yet to hear anyone say Biden was too weak except for you as well as diagnose him with a mental disorder. It was a fact the the big donors were leaving him, it was a fact that there was division in the party. It is not a fact that he had aphasia. I continue to ask that you delete that from your post. You dont know he has it but you have claimed that he has. We can disagree on things but when you claim something as true that is not proven to be true and is a huge slight to the current leader of our party then you are just wrong. You can even change it to "I think he may have" or something along those lines and I wouldn't have commented on it. Once again reconsider your previous words.
Eko.

[Fla Dem]

73. I agree with what you said. I was a Biden supporter right up to the end, sent a large donation just last week..

I was not overly excited about Kamala when Joe selected her to be his Vice President, but she has grown in this position, and I look forward to her being a great president. While I'm sad Joe removed himself from the race, I am glad in the last 5+ months of his presidency he'll be able to enjoy every minute of it without the constant drumbeat of "Joe's got to go".

Thank you President Biden for your 50 years of service to our country.

[lees1975]

37. Hard to believe we've gone from betraying the best President we put in the White House since FDR

to euphoria of certain victory in a matter of hours.

[Demsrule86]

39. and spewing the same insults used to get rid of him.

[soandso]

55. Like a school of fish

when they turn on a dime. I guess that's good for unity but surprising to see it happen so fast (without time to process the whiplash).

[Klarkashton]

41. That's the spirit! JFC with this.

[iemanja]

42. Take a minute, feel sad, and then regroup

We will have a new nominee who WILL BE GREAT. They will be a fantastic Democratic who will bring a host of policies to improve this country. If our nominee is Kamala Harris, she will continue Biden's legacy. Whoever the nominee is will take off where Biden left off. You feel sad. Your candidate is out. It's okay to feel sad. But don't let yourself get overwhelmed. All is not lost. Many in the party think we are in fact in a better position to win now. We will rally around the nominee, work hard to GOTV, and win this election!

I think part of the problem with creating a closed narrative loop is that people come to believe that only one way is possible. Because people succeeded in banning all talk of replacing Biden, despite the robust discussion in the political sphere, they were not prepared for this outcome. All news discussing this possibility was declared fake. Well, obviously it wasn't fake. You all just closed your eyes and ears to it. Had open discussion been allowed, you'd have been more prepared for this outcome. I'm sorry it's come as such a shock to you.

[valleyrogue]

45. I am very angry about this.

There is no guarantee Kamala Harris will be the nominee of our party. I don't trust these kingmakers as far as I can throw them. She may have been the real target all the time for all I know.

I have never been this pissed off over a political development in my entire life, and that is because so much is riding on this election.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It wasn't broken with Biden-Harris at the helm. It is total self-destruction and for nothing.

[Arthur_Frain]

51. There is always hope.

Nope. I'm liking this the more I stop to think about it. By November, a stone will be able to beat tsf. Kamala and whoever her running mate will be (this is my "as it should be moment", it may not, but I will support whoever is against tsf in the next election, no matter what) will only need to present a united front as to the party of /not/ donald trump, and we will win.

[CaptainTruth]

58. Take a deep breath, take a break, & reqroup.

Do whatever nurtures your soul for a while. Be good to yourself.

Sending hugs...

[niyad]

60. Hugggggggs. I know these last few weeks have been very hard for you,

far more than for many of us, and I wish I had something really helpful to say. All I can do is tell you that you are not alone, that we are here with you.

[Quiet Em]

62. If it's any solace

President Biden made an unprecedented and extremely difficult decision today. Most of us didn't want it to come to this. Many are very unhappy with how the events of the past few weeks played out. But President Biden himself feels like Kamala Harris is the best choice to carry on his legacy, his platform for the people. Kamala Harris will defend his legacy. She will defend all of his achievements that have been drowned out these past few weeks. President Biden's goal, and our goal, is to make sure Trump is defeated. This was a shell shocking day. But there is so much at stake. Joe Biden is still our President. He is still our leader. He wants us to defeat Trump.

[William Gustafson]

65. Don't give up hope....

I too, have been feeling a little down these last few weeks and after today's events, I realized that this country has a serious decision to make.
With Joe stepping down from his re-election attempt, it puts many of the talented people we have in our party into a position of moving this country foreword. We have many good, talented people in Congress. We have Talented and Good Governors.
We have the VP Harris to take the rains... she has been there with Joe, from seeing what they both have accomplished in 3 years....is beyond amazing. Do I like how this went down... no! I am rather pissed about that, and that is something we can deal with after the election.
We all must step up and support whoever they nominate because the alternative is not an option.
I feel optimistic that the American public will not want what is being offered from the republicans and knowing that the Biden/Harris administration has a proven record of accomplishments and stable economy ( see the stock market all time highs) ... If Harris is the nominee, I will support her whole heartly.
I know many of us are scared and nervous but move past that fear and let's see the bigger picture.... It's imperative that we don't give up... I have no plans of doing that... Vote Blue, No Matter Who!
And Siwsan, we will be alright if we stick together....