It's interesting how so many think it's a foregone conclusion Harris will now be the nominee

[appmanga]

I'll believe it when I see it, but I've made my belief clear that getting Biden out is the first step to getting Harris out. I'd love to be wrong, but I think the next very loud drumbeats will be to get her out as well. This whole thing has been as transparent as a dry cleaners' bag.

[regnaD kciN]

1. Getting Biden's endorsement is big for her...

…but I’m just waiting to see how quickly we’ll hear people claiming she’s “unlikeable.”

[edisdead]

9. The guy who they said thanks but no thanks to?

[W_HAMILTON]

25. They are Biden delegates. Selected because they are his biggest supporters

Of course his endorsement will have a huge impact on who they vote to be the nominee.

[tanyev]

2. I hope you're wrong, because that's my fear, too.

[BannonsLiver]

3. Bookmarking

[Self Esteem]

4. 100% believe they'll turn on her like they did Joe.

[Demsrule86]

12. I do too.

[Elessar Zappa]

5. The way I understand it

is that Biden will free his delegates and they would likely honor his endorsement of Harris.

[TnDem]

13. Delegates

If he frees his delegates, they can vote for whoever the machine wants them to.

Biden has zero say about how they vote once they are released.

[Elessar Zappa]

15. Understood but most are Biden loyalists.

I think they’ll honor his endorsement.

[TnDem]

20. Nope

They will do what the party tells them do do.

[Elessar Zappa]

24. Believe what you want to believe. Bookmark my post and come back in a month.

[TnDem]

54. Sure

Will do....You don't know how ruthless this machine can be...I have been around awhile.

[Beaverhausen]

6. If she's not the nominee we definitely lose

She will bring the black and the women’s vote.

[sunnybrook]

45. Unfortunately we already had alot of the black and woman's vote with Biden

He also appealed to some Repubs, never Trumpers and independents..... hoping the political geniuses heading this coup know wtf they are doing

[farmboy]

7. It will be Vice President Harris as our nominee.

All of those who argued it was about donor concerns of her being second in line during the next four years were wrong. She will lead us and she will win!

[orange jar]

8. Biden endorsed her.

It seems as though the lawmakers who called for Biden to drop out support her. The caucuses that supported Biden endorsed Harris.

It will almost certainly be her.

[tinrobot]

16. And the delagates who pick the nominee are overwhelmingly his delegates

Pretty sure they'll follow his endorsement.

[TnDem]

58. Could be

But there is no guarantee they will not bend to donor money...Or to paraphrase and change a little:

Never underestimate the ability for the donor class to fuck things up.

[obamanut2012]

10. Biden and the Clintons have endorsed her

She is Veep. It will be her. Now, we need a rust belt or southern Veep.

[comradebillyboy]

28. I was delighted to see Bill and Hillary go all in

for Kamala. I'm sure both will be campaigning for her.

[Demsrule86]

11. I agree. These donors support Trump and will cause as much chaos as possible.

[Vinca]

14. It's bad enough what they've done to Biden and disenfranchising millions of primary votes for him. I

can't imagine they'd also dump Kamala because we also voted for her as part of that ticket. Maybe I can imagine. It seems the Democrats in Congress are totally capable of tanking the election.

[ecstatic]

17. a new person wouldn't have access to donations or delegates. nt

[honest.abe]

18. I would seriously doubt there will be much push back on Harris.

The endorsements are already coming in and I suspect there will be flood in the next few hours.

[EndlessWire]

19. Hope you guys are right.

Carville wants an open convention, and he threatened the Megadonors. They want to pass over Harris for the candidate of their choice. No virtual vote. I think we'll lose Ohio due to putzing around.

I want Harris/Buttigieg. I trust so few people now. The optics are there for me. I feel that they will stick with American values, and be acceptable on the foreign stage. That's about all I can do. Vote for whatever damned ticket Carville and the Megadonors will allow.

The line between Democrats and Republicans is beginning to be fuzzy for me. If Megadonors get to pick the candidates, what is the damned difference? Something's wrong here.

[Claustrum]

29. Curious why you think Ohio is in play.

Ohio hasn't been in play for us for many elections.

If anything, I wonder how Florida would play because I saw some tight polls for Biden in recent weeks.

[Joe Cool]

56. Shapiro is the VP nominee, that definitely puts Ohio into play.

Or at least forces Vance to do a lot more campaigning in Ohio.

[edisdead]

63. Any plan that doesn't at least look at Ohio is a shit plan.

[comradebillyboy]

31. Nobody cares what Carville wants except for

a few pundits like Ari Melber.

[regnaD kciN]

36. Carville can go fuck himself...

Even his old patrons, the Clintons, first endorsed Biden as soon as Carville started shit-stirring, and were among the first to back Kamala today.

[Elessar Zappa]

37. Carville isn't as powerful as you're making out.

[Ms. Toad]

65. Ohio's deadline is September 1, after the convention.

People saying otherwise were fearmongering as part of the push to nominate Biden as soon as possible to stop the conversation about him stepping down.

[617Blue]

21. Totally agree - Harris will not be the nominee.

[lizardkingjr]

22. She has the endorsement of powerful people

Joe Biden, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, and the Congressional Black Caucus so far. Possibly more.

[comradebillyboy]

35. She will be the nominee, no ifs, ands or buts.

[Self Esteem]

38. All those same people backed Biden.

It doesn't matter.

If the donors start withholding money to congressional races like they did these past few weeks, and demand some senators or congressional leaders break with Harris, it'll create the same doom loop that forced Biden out.

All it takes is for one or two senators and a few congresspeople to pump the brakes on Harris, and the media will latch onto it like they're the most important voice in the country.

Think of the Democrats who publicly called on Biden to step aside. How many were really well known or influential? The biggest was Schiff and he isn't even a senator yet. Biden consistently had the backing of the more high-profiled party leaders.

And it didn't matter in the end.

Maybe Harris weathers it better but I'm afraid the doom loop will start, her polling will drop, the narrative will set in that she can't win and we'll be right back here in a few weeks.

[ElementaryPenguin]

23. Harris is not the strongest candidate we could field against Trump.

That's what we need to save this democracy, and I don't think Kamala will end up being the nominee.

Much of the time, she was thought to be a drag on the Biden ticket.

[Desert grandma]

30. Just curious then..

Who do you think would be stronger?

[ElementaryPenguin]

42. Gavin Newsom

with Wes Moore as his running mate.

[sunnybrook]

47. The ex husband of the fiance of Donald Jr

Oh yes he is great!

[Ontheboundry]

64. Harris polls way better than newsome

In every battleground state

[OnDoutside]

32. You'd think this was January. Getting rid of the President

because you think he's old and past it, then getting rid of a black woman VP, good luck with that one.

[ElementaryPenguin]

43. Gavin Newsom with Wes Moore as his running mate would be a ticket that would trounce Trump

Which, remember, is what matters here.

[OnDoutside]

48. With 3 months to go to the GE ? Nice 2028 ticket though

[doc03]

55. A Governor of California has no chance in a national election IMO nt

[calguy]

33. If this were the beginning of primary season I might agree with you

But at this late date, Harris is the only one with a viable campaign organization to conduct a national presidential campaign.

[Sunsky]

46. If we want the black vote, she is

We will see this as misogynoir. Trump will not have to look too far for an example of Democrats taking a black job. The optics would be terrible.

[OnDoutside]

49. 1000% on the nail.

[mackdaddy]

26. I can't see ANYONE else having a better chance of beating Trump than Harris.

This turmoil of pushing Biden out has been enough Chaos.

We need to come together and laser focus on the real danger, another Trump administration and 2025.

[fishwax]

27. there will be drumbeats, but they won't have near the momentum that the round against joe did

[dweller]

61. They have the media

and I would once again remind everyone that huge # of the population do not reside here at DU

They WILL be watching the news , not reading our posts



✌🏻

[Reader Rabbit]

34. People voted for Biden/Harris in the primary.

I would think that trying to nominate anyone but Kamala would just generate more division and animosity.

Then again, I'm still gobsmacked that the media and a bunch of rich donors were able to gaslight other elected officials into badgering a sitting president to drop out in the first place.

[Freethinker65]

39. Wasn't she on a call with donors in the last few days.

I assume the details were worked out about "passing of the torch" and reopening the campaign funding spigot. I wonder if Biden/Harris were forced to also give up, or re-prioritize, some of the Party platform policies, along with giving up Biden on the ticket, to make those donors more willing to contribute?

[brush]

40. That's the quickest way to divide the party that we'll ever see. Black Americans are a huge pare of the base....

and the most loyal. Pushing Harris aside will be like pushing them aside also and will usher trump right into the WH.

The best think to do is ot pair VP Harris with stong, white male running mate like Sen. Kelly from AZ or Gov. Shaprio from PA.

It's not that complicated, and suddenly the 78-yer-old trump seems ancient and decidedly unhealthy.

[OnDoutside]

50. You'd imagine the pick will be male and white ?

[brush]

67. No, if Harris is pushed aside, trump wins as it will turn off Black voters who are....

the reason the Biden Harris ticket won in 2020. We have to be way more astute than push aside a huge part of the party base.

We've gotta be smart. Harris with strong, white male VP is the way to go.

[OnDoutside]

68. It was the running mate I was talking about...should have been specific !

[brush]

69. We're on the same page, then.

[Sogo]

41. Divisive thread #1....

The first one I've seen, anyway.

[LudwigPastorius]

44. She will be the nominee.

...and she will destroy Trump.

[chia]

51. She has president Biden's endorsement. That's all I need.

[Sneederbunk]

52. Who will be making the drumbeats?

[unblock]

53. Here's another post with Vegas betting odds:

https://democraticunderground.com/100219204910

Kamala at 1-9 is by far the overwhelming favorite.

So it's not just us here on du. She's certainly the obvious, default choice.

[Raven123]

57. No one knows the the behind door discussions

Joe didn’t endorse Harris for sentimental reasons. I think he was trying to coalesce the vote and unify the party. I do hope the party leaders have enough respect for him that they will take that endorsement seriously.

[Slider19]

59. She has a better chance than Bernie does

In my estimation

[Paula Sims]

60. Me too but if the don't

They'll be revealed as the racist misogynistic group that they are.

Nope, never happen. But...a straight, white, male VP...that they can get behind.

[Goodheart]

62. Occam's Razor

Many important Democrats and donors didn't think Biden could win... it's as simple as that.

[Tribetime]

66. It has to be Harris otherwise it's a clusterf

[BannonsLiver]

70. Looks like you were wrong.