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kairos12

(13,122 posts)
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:16 PM Aug 5

IMO there is no point to "debating" the orange clown who Gish Gallops along.

With no live fact check it would be like VP Harris standing in the surf screaming for the tide to halt.

In AZ Governor Hobbs refused to debate MAGA lie-a-second Scary Lake.
Hobbs got elected.

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IMO there is no point to "debating" the orange clown who Gish Gallops along. (Original Post) kairos12 Aug 5 OP
gish gallops? AllaN01Bear Aug 5 #1
Defined kairos12 Aug 5 #2
thanks. AllaN01Bear Aug 5 #3
Thanks for clarifying! SWBTATTReg Aug 5 #10
The Gish Gallop--named for creation "scientist" Duane Gish... keep_left Aug 5 #11
Debate advice Charmin One Aug 5 #4
There are 3 reasons TFG wants this debate Raven123 Aug 5 #5
More to the point... regnaD kciN Aug 5 #8
TFG wants a Fox News audience, no fact checking and open mics LetMyPeopleVote Aug 5 #6
but the value of Trump being forced to weasel and DODGE .... stopdiggin Aug 5 #7
Well there is, but it requires different tactics. You cannot get dragged into refuting each point. unblock Aug 5 #9
Post is exactly on point. kairos12 Aug 5 #14
What if the debaters were put in clear sound proof cubicles, and after their response time is up, the mic is shut off mitch96 Aug 5 #12
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 5 #13

AllaN01Bear

(22,251 posts)
1. gish gallops?
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:18 PM
Aug 5

agreed . t.. wants a debate , backs out, now wants a debate only on state tv ( faux noizw). ms harris wants a debate any time any where . do it in my living room for all that matters .

kairos12

(13,122 posts)
2. Defined
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:19 PM
Aug 5

The Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm an opponent by abandoning formal debating principles, providing an excessive number of arguments with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments and that are impossible to address adequately in the time allotted to the opponent. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality.

keep_left

(2,137 posts)
11. The Gish Gallop--named for creation "scientist" Duane Gish...
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:40 PM
Aug 5

...who may not have invented the concept, but he certainly perfected it.

The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Charmin One

(128 posts)
4. Debate advice
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:21 PM
Aug 5

Mention some Trump lies, string them together and draw the conclusion that Trump is PATHOLOGICAL and shouldn’t be elected to ANY office.

Raven123

(5,806 posts)
5. There are 3 reasons TFG wants this debate
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:24 PM
Aug 5

1) He knows he will get softballs from FOX and no fact checking

2) He doesn’t want to pay for indoor public events, so this way someone else will do it

3) As this weekend shows, he can’t fill an arena, so he hopes Harris will do so and then he will claim credit.

All good reasons to laugh at this offer. And then decline.

regnaD kciN

(26,417 posts)
8. More to the point...
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:34 PM
Aug 5

…he wants a packed MAGA audience that will erupt in applause for every answer he gives, and drown out Harris with boos every time she tries to say anything.

unblock

(53,863 posts)
9. Well there is, but it requires different tactics. You cannot get dragged into refuting each point.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:38 PM
Aug 5

And because of that, you can almost completely prepare a "response" and unload it at any point after he fish gallops.

Just pick *one* lie, quickly identify it (most of his lies are pretty damn obvious), then launch into how many lies he's told (the Washington post documented over 30,000 during his presidency, never mind the lies he's told before and since then.)

The launch into how you can't trust him because he lies so often. How he can't effectively negotiate on the world stage because no one else can trust him. Continue to bash him over integrity. Call him weak for being afraid to tell the truth.

Then pivot into your own vision of the topic at hand and say you will tell the truth, face the facts,, and find solutions that work for all Americans and promise to be honest with the American people.

Then sum up with how much he's a liar and you'll tell the truth and we can't go back to his lies, his weirdness, his vanity, his insults, his fearmongering, not to mention his criminality.

It's almost entirely a canned speech, it could be memorized other than identifying the one lie out of the spew of lies we all know he will deliver.

mitch96

(14,428 posts)
12. What if the debaters were put in clear sound proof cubicles, and after their response time is up, the mic is shut off
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 01:56 PM
Aug 5

tfg can rant/scream wave his arms all he wants but no one will hear him. He will just hear the moderator and Harris.. No wandering over to physically try to intimidate Harris. No interruptions. Just debate..
But you and I know he would NEVER agree to this...It would take away his super power.. being an asshole..
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