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This should go viral: (Original Post) PCIntern Aug 2024 OP
Kick RAB910 Aug 2024 #1
Family members vary regarding the military........................... Lovie777 Aug 2024 #2
Republicans love bashing service members MagickMuffin Aug 2024 #23
And the Kerry team didn't fight back. Sky Jewels Aug 2024 #25
That's true about family members' reasons to remain in any capacity of military service... Backseat Driver Aug 2024 #33
And if he thinks there's one particular plane that gets designated as Ait Force 2 throughout an administration, soldierant Aug 2024 #45
What you say is true. Service people (past and present) would definitely take a second look... chouchou Aug 2024 #3
Kicking. MontanaMama Aug 2024 #4
Idiot also attacked Gen. McCaffrey dalton99a Aug 2024 #5
Copied and pasted this to a FB group I belong to. ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2024 #6
K&R! Thanks for posting this! highplainsdem Aug 2024 #7
KnR Hekate Aug 2024 #8
Maybe there's a way to add a blank space for Trump. enough Aug 2024 #9
Brilliant FDR4President Aug 2024 #10
I wish it said "highest enlisted rank available in the US Army" rather than "highest rank available in the US Army" 33taw Aug 2024 #11
Agree, it's easily confusedand that provides fertile ground for propaganda. jaxexpat Aug 2024 #13
This meme is starting to go viral. I hope it gets modified, because MAGA are looking for anything to pick on. 33taw Aug 2024 #14
These days even spelling and punctuation are potential bombs. jaxexpat Aug 2024 #40
😂 Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2024 #49
Perfect sarchasm Aug 2024 #12
I served as an E4 in the Air Force and anciano Aug 2024 #15
In my generation PCIntern Aug 2024 #16
Particularly after 20 years of service, when the country was attacked in 2001, Jarqui Aug 2024 #19
I think you mean "ex-President Bone Spurs" GopherGal Aug 2024 #35
Point well taken ...nt Jarqui Aug 2024 #38
It's worth noting that both 21st century Republican presidents...... jaxexpat Aug 2024 #41
Electoral College as DEI for rural states GopherGal Aug 2024 #54
Thats the elementary school explanation. jaxexpat Aug 2024 #56
You are kind of missing the point. couchhumper is LYING about Walz' record. niyad Aug 2024 #20
Last night on MSNBC they said Walz retired from the military csziggy Aug 2024 #29
Thank you for that excellent clip. niyad Aug 2024 #39
No lie is too low for RWers to tell, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2024 #50
ditto Skittles Aug 2024 #44
K&R x 1000000000!!!!! Evolve Dammit Aug 2024 #17
K&R!! gademocrat7 Aug 2024 #18
As far as anyone knows... av8rdave Aug 2024 #21
And as a combat photographer peppertree Aug 2024 #24
K & R !!! Rubyshoo Aug 2024 #22
I was drafted into the U S Army in 1970, served 2 years and was honorably discharged as E-5. surfered Aug 2024 #26
It's like it's no contest. czarjak Aug 2024 #27
Kick and Rec'd IllinoisBirdWatcher Aug 2024 #28
Stop the G.O.P. attack on our US Armed Forces BoRaGard Aug 2024 #30
As a short-termer veteran Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #31
Yes!! Definitely should go viral. Military family here. wordstroken Aug 2024 #32
Zing! oasis Aug 2024 #34
Shared to Fb with message GPV Aug 2024 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Aug 2024 #37
What's the source(s)? sl8 Aug 2024 #42
and one of them isn't pimping for a draft dodger Skittles Aug 2024 #43
Kick BlueWavePsych Aug 2024 #46
I can't see anything. Buttoneer Aug 2024 #47
Yes, it appears to be gone now. area51 Aug 2024 #48
This is very misleading - some awards that both men received are only listed for Walz and not Vance. sl8 Aug 2024 #51
Kick and Rec! Think. Again. Aug 2024 #52
I'm retired Army Reserve COL Mustard Aug 2024 #53
Just wanted to say THANK YOU to all the veterans on this thread - and, frankly, everywhere. calimary Aug 2024 #55

Lovie777

(15,078 posts)
2. Family members vary regarding the military...........................
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 09:09 AM
Aug 2024

Army, Navy, Air Force, Seals and in my circle the Marines. Attacking veterans and military service, etc. is frown upon.

Vance seriously has a problem. The stunt he did yesterday towards VP Haris at the airport is something bullies do.

Enough.

MagickMuffin

(17,157 posts)
23. Republicans love bashing service members
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:30 AM
Aug 2024


They’ve been doing it for a very long time.


Swift Boaters were the worse of them, and GW didn’t put an end to it instead they doubled down.


Sky Jewels

(8,823 posts)
25. And the Kerry team didn't fight back.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:34 AM
Aug 2024

I've been enraged by Democratic passivity in the face of Republican egregiousness for 44 years ... I'm so glad we FINALLY have two fighters on the ticket!

(Caveat: ... "not all Democrats" )

Backseat Driver

(4,635 posts)
33. That's true about family members' reasons to remain in any capacity of military service...
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 01:00 PM
Aug 2024

My FIL was one of five brothers of a divorced/remarried mother. The brothers all served in the Navy in WWII, one a survivor of the Lexington. FIL married, went to work, enlisted and served in Pearl Harbor after the attack until the war ended. My maternal grandfather enlisted in the Army infantry, but never came home from WWII; my dad served in the Army, and after specialty training served in the jungles of Papua New Guinea and the Phillipines until the war was over, and then he and mom got married. Neither of our dads had more than one employer thereafter nor took any benefit of the GI bill for further education -- one blue collar; one white collar from a "rust belt" state who often spoke of being a notch baby for the purposes of SSA benefits. Both our moms were SAHM who never graduated HS, never worked outside the home for pay, or even became a long-term driver of an automobile.

DH went to a tech school prior to being drafted into Army service and was not responsible for his assignment stateside in Washington, DC, at the Pentagon under the Joint Chief's staff during the Viet Nam conflict. He just lucked out w/a needed skill--IT. He did his time without overseas combat and returned to work as a public servant. Used some GI bill educational benefits but never got a 4 year degree. We definitely married too young, but I got as much education as I could afford debt-free (associates degree) as an alternative student while working after our two daughters were in elementary school in the 80s and returned to work and took early retirement - SMH

My female sibling finally got herself a dream job after college with an Air Force associated company and climbed the civilian GS ladder with her Master's during all those Republican admins. She's retired now. Oh, she's registered as a Dem all right, but judging from her behavior within the family, I suspect she was infected by the GOP and forced to fight, under years of Republican admins, for HERSELF along with her spouse for their child's welfare. She's a "fierce warrior mama."

My brother who never left home or had military service, beloved of my mother, died before he could retire from work and after dad passed. Mom and he found themselves together in the same hospice. She passed age 92 - Result - I was scapegoated early on, estranged, and finally entirely disinherited -- and sister dearest got it all supposedly for her disabled kid's benefit. - SMH

soldierant

(7,922 posts)
45. And if he thinks there's one particular plane that gets designated as Ait Force 2 throughout an administration,
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 05:57 PM
Aug 2024

he's also an idiot (OK, he's an idiot anyway.) "Air Force 1" and "Air Force 2" refer to any plane carrying the President and/or VP. It's not always the same plane. It's whatever qualifying plane was available. It's the same with helicopters.

chouchou

(1,339 posts)
3. What you say is true. Service people (past and present) would definitely take a second look...
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 09:11 AM
Aug 2024

....even if they leaned toward right-wing. Excellent idea!

33taw

(2,861 posts)
11. I wish it said "highest enlisted rank available in the US Army" rather than "highest rank available in the US Army"
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:17 AM
Aug 2024

33taw

(2,861 posts)
14. This meme is starting to go viral. I hope it gets modified, because MAGA are looking for anything to pick on.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:01 AM
Aug 2024
 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
40. These days even spelling and punctuation are potential bombs.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 01:40 PM
Aug 2024

Terrorist grammarians are everywhere. Loose participles sink ships, of state. Keep your pronouns dry and don't shoot 'til you sees the apostrophe in their contractions.

anciano

(1,536 posts)
15. I served as an E4 in the Air Force and
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:01 AM
Aug 2024

also chose not to reenlist. As far as I know, both of those men served their country honorably. I am a lifelong Democrat and support our nominees, but to demean anyone's rank, service and their decision not to reenlist is rather petty.

Jarqui

(10,496 posts)
19. Particularly after 20 years of service, when the country was attacked in 2001,
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:17 AM
Aug 2024

Walz reupped for another 6 years - with the option to quit on a days notice because of all the time he had served. (applies to anyone after their first 6 years).

In 2003, he was deployed under Operation Enduring Freedom to Europe (like Vance, he went where they told him to go). And returned in 2004.

Vance runs a Swift Boat attack against Walz’s military service
The broadside is similar to the campaign to discredit 2004 Democratic nominee John Kerry over his Vietnam service.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/07/vance-walz-military-stolen-valor-garbage-00173172

J.D. Vance’s ‘Stolen Valor’ Claim Against Tim Walz Is Total B.S.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/tim-walz-falsely-accused-stolen-valor-jd-vance-1235075718/

Most of the GOP hypocrite liars calling him our never served a minute - including President Bone Spurs

GopherGal

(2,401 posts)
35. I think you mean "ex-President Bone Spurs"
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 01:08 PM
Aug 2024

Sorry to nit-pick. You stumbled upon my newest pet peeve.

I may have to start a personal drinking game for any time anyone refers to the Orange Abscess as "President" rather than "Mister" or "ex-President".

Even without putting on Faux News, I think I would be in danger of alcohol poisoning. As it stands, I'm in danger of losing my voice from yelling "do you know who's president?" "How can you have a job at CNN if you don't even know Biden is the president?" at my TV.

Maybe a throat-coat drinking game (can you OD on throat-coat?)

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
41. It's worth noting that both 21st century Republican presidents......
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 01:46 PM
Aug 2024

we're installed by the electoral college after failing to gain support from the majority of American voters. Trump and Bush, both, have earned an * after their ill-gotten and gratuitous titles. Just so people don't forget the rewards of minority government.

GopherGal

(2,401 posts)
54. Electoral College as DEI for rural states
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 12:53 PM
Aug 2024

At least that's my understanding of its historical basis: to increase representation of areas with lower populations.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
56. Thats the elementary school explanation.
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 07:41 AM
Aug 2024

The electoral college was invented because the founders needed to seduce southern slave holders to go along with the "united" part of the United States. We still have it today because it satisfies the desires of a powerful minority, the 0.1%.

niyad

(120,302 posts)
20. You are kind of missing the point. couchhumper is LYING about Walz' record.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:21 AM
Aug 2024

LYING. Therefore, his own record is up for scrutiny. He f'n DARED to accuse Walz of "Stolen Valor" when he KNOWS it is not true. People will be crawling all over jd's (or whatever his name is these days) record with electron microscopes, and rightly so.

Choosing not to reenlist is not anyone's disagreement with the marine correspondent. His lying about Walz' retirement IS.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
29. Last night on MSNBC they said Walz retired from the military
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:58 AM
Aug 2024

Because of profound hearing loss. Here:

?si=KDwlFhXH-AfHM0_K

Skittles

(159,655 posts)
44. ditto
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:48 PM
Aug 2024

also, we were full time

I think the biggest difference is one of them is not pimping for a draft dodger......

av8rdave

(10,609 posts)
21. As far as anyone knows...
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:22 AM
Aug 2024

Vance served one tour of duty and was honorably discharged. This should be the end of the military story about him. Thanks for your service, JD. That’s it. Feel free to boast about it, as long as you don’t make any false claims.

Walz’s service was long and honorable. He has every right to include it on his resume and bring it up while campaigning. And his military background certainly doesn’t deserve to be disparaged any more than the Weirdo’s does.

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
24. And as a combat photographer
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:32 AM
Aug 2024

Which is not to be dismissive - but he regularly insinuates he was some sort of Rambo, mowing down Iraqis while screaming "AAARGH!"

Iraq. The worst - and most pointless - use and abuse of our men and women in uniform since Vietnam.

We should hammer him on his support of that calamity alone.

BoRaGard

(2,939 posts)
30. Stop the G.O.P. attack on our US Armed Forces
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:00 PM
Aug 2024

what slimebags the republicons are to piss on our soldiers and sailors.

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
31. As a short-termer veteran
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:02 PM
Aug 2024

I normally don't care about things like rank or time served. I'm okay with people serving as long as it suits them, and don't care to trash those who serve only 4 years and move on.

I don't even have a problem with criticizing someone who put in 20 and went no higher than E6. If you've served, then you know that most enlistees are E-4 at the 4 year mark. If you can't move up more than 2 ranks for the next 16 years, you may have an honorable discharge...but you were not a good service member.

When I have a really big problem regarding time served/rank is if you were an E-4 who put in only 4 years and you're trashing an E9 who served 24. And all I have to say to that is:

Sit down.

Shut up.

wordstroken

(667 posts)
32. Yes!! Definitely should go viral. Military family here.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:23 PM
Aug 2024

My father, Army combat, WWII;
husband, Army service-connected injury/death;
son, Air Force, served in Desert Storm.

Trump and Vance make me sick.
🤢

Thank you for posting, PCIntern.

GPV

(73,069 posts)
36. Shared to Fb with message
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 01:11 PM
Aug 2024

My Navy vet dad would not have been impressed by this, but what can you expect from people who made fun of John Kerry with those stupid ass purple heart bandaids?What was it that Trump said, I like people that weren't captured? And that was to fellow Republican and POW, John McCain. Just utterly disrespectful!

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

sl8

(16,250 posts)
42. What's the source(s)?
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:14 PM
Aug 2024

Last edited Fri Aug 9, 2024, 04:33 AM - Edit history (1)

Both lists seem a little light, but maybe the meme maker deliberately left off the least significant.

I am curious as to why Vance (Hamel) doesn't have a National Defense Service Medal listed; they're pretty hard to avoid.

I tried to find a legitimate list of Vance's awards, or his DD-214, but with no luck.

sl8

(16,250 posts)
51. This is very misleading - some awards that both men received are only listed for Walz and not Vance.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 04:59 AM
Aug 2024

I'm pretty sure sure that Vance was awarded both National Defense Service Medal and Global War on Terror Service Medal. I think that because those two would be hard to avoid receiving, given his service, and his DD-214:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25030454-resp-docs-1pgred-24-3265

It's possible that's a faked DD-214, but the awards section looks about right. It lists other awards that Vance received, but I think the others are all lower precedence than those already mentioned. As I mentioned in my other post, the lists for each man seem incomplete. That's fine, but if you're going to list a particular earned award for one, you need to list it for both.

COL Mustard

(6,915 posts)
53. I'm retired Army Reserve
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 11:42 AM
Aug 2024

My only nit to pick is the Armed Forces Reserve Medal. That’s a 10-year award so he couldn’t have 5.

Otherwise a well done rebuttal to the Swift Boaters!

calimary

(84,445 posts)
55. Just wanted to say THANK YOU to all the veterans on this thread - and, frankly, everywhere.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 03:02 PM
Aug 2024

I've never served, and my husband was ineligible due to injury. Neither of our kids did, either, and when they were of age, there wasn't a conflict that beckoned to them.

So I am deeply, intensely grateful to all those who DID serve, who DID risk everything, who DID bet their lives and their bodies and their health both physical AND mental, on defending America. Folks like me can never fully understand, or "grok" that level of sacrifice. But I am grateful. For all those who served, YOU worked, sweated, ached, bled, suffered loss close-up, fought your fears, and in many cases STILL deal with pain and disability and distress so the rest of us - people like me - could live in a country like America, and have a good, safe, and peaceful life - I am grateful.

PROUD of you.

And GRATEFUL.

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