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Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:17 AM Aug 2024

I've been needing to get something off my chest with regards to old Uncle Joe

Uncle Joe has been one of my hero’s for a couple decades now. While I can’t say I’ve agreed with every vote he’s taken (can’t say that about another progressive hero of mine either, brother Bernie) he has, for 5 decades charted a path as politician that proves he’s not about himself, the wealthy, or party. He’s an 81 year old CATHOLIC who is advocating for female reproductive rights. Think about that for a minute.

And he’s genuine. He’s never acting. His blue collar background is something he embraces. He’s proud of his accomplishments and who he is and doesn’t need to polish himself. Nor does he need to. He is the genuine article.

And the strength this man has. Dealing with the losses and grief he has had to endure. I’m taken aback. If Mrs. Glam was taken away from me, much less the baby Glam we never had, pretty sure I’d drown in a bottle.

I could go on about the man for days. (Being Irish to me with the most Irish name in N America doesn’t hurt). He is one of my great heroes.

Uncle Joe was my first choice in ‘07. His decades of generally being on my side? His decades of foreign ralation experience? Joe all the way! Then I saw this young black man with a funny name speak. And it was obvious he also had my values and was unbeatable. And I switched.

Point being that I couldn’t wait to vote for old Uncle Joe for President. I came home from early voting and told the delicious Mrs. Glam with a huge grin on my face, “mark my words, dude is gonna CRUSH it!” And of course, he did. The most impactful, transformative president of my life. I was and am, so proud to have voted for him. And as ridiculous as it may sound, so proud of the man produced by my home. I really man that.

And then I saw the fateful debate. While he was already falling in the polls. And I felt bleak and defeated. I knew the media, like a cat cornering a mouse, would NEVER let this go. I knew how many millions of Americans who don’t pay attention to politics would see this. I knew the anxiety of all of us who still supported the man would have every time he spoke moving forward. I knew the most loyal of us would “thank you for your concern (rolling eye emoji added)” as we barreled to fascist takeover of this democracy. It was plain as day to me. And I feared for my family, and for my country.

I have zero, literal zero doubt, that Uncle Joe would have CRUSHED a second term. And I type this next with literal tears in my eyes for someone who I love, respect, and revere. There is no president who has DESERVED a second at bat than Uncle Joe. Not a one. And it hurts my heart to have turned away.

But he became even more a hero by recognizing my fears and stepping out. I will always be thankful to him for that act. And I will also always kinda hate myself for turning on someone I love.

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I've been needing to get something off my chest with regards to old Uncle Joe (Original Post) Glamrock Aug 2024 OP
It's not been easy for sure. Hope22 Aug 2024 #1
Think of it as a chess board and it helps. Arne Aug 2024 #2
That was exactly why I wanted Joe to step down. Glamrock Aug 2024 #3
You didn't turn against him. You just accepted the reality Ocelot II Aug 2024 #10
There's no shame in accepting the reality of the political situation peggysue2 Aug 2024 #14
Even my Irish Catholic pro-life mother did not think that... ananda Aug 2024 #18
Just because there came a day I had to take my dad's car keys away...it didn't mean I stopped loving him. CincyDem Aug 2024 #41
That's a really good point and I appreciate you for it. Glamrock Aug 2024 #43
Fox started lying about him from day one. GreenWave Aug 2024 #102
My respect and admiration of Uncle Joe was full on support even tho I did not always agree Deuxcents Aug 2024 #4
We change as we age... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #5
+++ Tetrachloride Aug 2024 #6
It was messy and painful, and I didn't like the way so many Dems went public Ocelot II Aug 2024 #7
You said it better than I did. I still get mad when I think about it. -nt CrispyQ Aug 2024 #12
Yes, the media and all of the above. What enrages me... LisaM Aug 2024 #54
Claire McCaskill and Thom Hartmann, very disappointed with them!!!!! Clouds Passing Aug 2024 #59
They couldn't have found a less public way to do it? They being democratic congress members. CrispyQ Aug 2024 #8
Agree! I'm still mad at those that spoke against him. They could've handled it better...but chose not too PortTack Aug 2024 #24
For the Party that boasts about diplomacy, this was a big fail for them. Utter disrespect and callousness by the Skya Rhen Aug 2024 #67
Have you considered the possibility that the velvet glove/behind closed doors efforts TheKentuckian Aug 2024 #79
I considered that but everything was too orchestrated from the second the debate was over Skya Rhen Aug 2024 #100
I, too, am very angry with the public way Bennet betrayed Biden. Cassidy Aug 2024 #86
I also wrote to Bennet soldierant Aug 2024 #104
Thanks for this post Dave in VA Aug 2024 #9
Totally agree. Doodles Aug 2024 #60
I don't think he was forced out. I think he leftyladyfrommo Aug 2024 #11
Screw James Carville displacedvermoter Aug 2024 #21
I have never paid much attention to him. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2024 #25
I think he saw the reality of trying to do TWO 24/7 jobs... CincyDem Aug 2024 #42
I do not have much respect for James Carville... Trueblue Texan Aug 2024 #47
Wasn't Carvilles nickname BattleRow Aug 2024 #62
I think he may very well have waited to step down vanlassie Aug 2024 #78
100 per cent to all of this! MaryMagdaline Aug 2024 #13
Perfectly said. Bluestone Aug 2024 #15
Hello Bluestone 😊 SaveOurDemocracy Aug 2024 #28
Hi there! Beartracks Aug 2024 #48
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2024 #96
On a little different topic but I'm 76 and leftyladyfrommo Aug 2024 #16
I don't see how anybody could sleep with the load of sin trump has on his conscience Walleye Aug 2024 #32
Maybe he's afraid to sleep. Sleep brings leftyladyfrommo Aug 2024 #36
Conscience you say? Oh, his Jiminy Cricket was murdered long ago. Bongo Prophet Aug 2024 #71
Jiminy was bumped off by BattleRow Aug 2024 #83
What conscience? Ocelot II Aug 2024 #87
Can I just say...I am sick of such posts...I mean no offense but honestly...Joe Biden is not your Uncle nor mine. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #17
Yes he is. He is the best of us. Glamrock Aug 2024 #20
Thank you Glam JanLip Aug 2024 #29
Kinda rude... Happy Hoosier Aug 2024 #46
I am sick of seeing such posts lauding Biden (who deserves it by the way) when I remember well what they said in Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #99
"Sick of such posts"? Really? Ocelot II Aug 2024 #53
Thanks for having my back, baby! Glamrock Aug 2024 #57
I love Biden. I worked on all his campaigns even during 1987. But I am sick of watching many who I know actually Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #97
Uncle/Auntie are terms of endearment that are used often in a symbolic way, not literal. Bongo Prophet Aug 2024 #73
I hope you stop hating yourself for your reaction good lord WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2024 #19
It's not really self hatred. Glamrock Aug 2024 #22
Yes. Joe Biden was the most effective president of my lifetime... johnnyplankton Aug 2024 #23
Unfortunately Glamrock Aug 2024 #26
My feelings: Joe outsmarted them all. usonian Aug 2024 #27
Yes, it was a colossal historic head fake. Trump still doesn't know what to do. Walleye Aug 2024 #34
I read he's playing golf all day. nt leftyladyfrommo Aug 2024 #38
Cheating golf is substance-abuse for Trump. It's all he's got for fun. Walleye Aug 2024 #40
Hmmm...there's always BattleRow Aug 2024 #64
Ew. Gross. Maybe JD can introduce him to Ms.Couch Walleye Aug 2024 #70
Since Trump only loves himself BattleRow Aug 2024 #84
He's stll attacking Joe Biden usonian Aug 2024 #39
We didn't turn on Joe Biden. We turned with him. yardwork Aug 2024 #30
Outstanding post, Glamrock. From the heart. Much respect. LuckyCharms Aug 2024 #31
Again to the chess analogy, Arne Aug 2024 #33
Uncle Joe graciously gave up the BattleRow Aug 2024 #35
I feel the same. Joe is exactly the man he presents himself to be. Rare in a politician. Walleye Aug 2024 #37
Oh man. You made me realize! Glamrock Aug 2024 #45
I wasn't a fan of Joe until he got into the Presidency IbogaProject Aug 2024 #44
When Harris wins, it will be remembered as Biden's achievement AlexSFCA Aug 2024 #49
To me, Joe represented positivity and comfort. oasis Aug 2024 #50
I love Joe too, as obviously do so many. And I believe his rewards will be great, as are ours for his selfless act. somaticexperiencing Aug 2024 #51
And even now he and his people are working on removing the dams from the Salmon River Botany Aug 2024 #52
If that "fateful debate" is judged on content, Joe Biden WON Martin Eden Aug 2024 #55
I love Joe Biden ❤️ Clouds Passing Aug 2024 #56
Grassy ass! Glamrock Aug 2024 #58
Yes and yes flamingdem Aug 2024 #61
Let's correct something you said AverageOldGuy Aug 2024 #63
Yeah it really is. Glamrock Aug 2024 #72
+1000. nt ecstatic Aug 2024 #92
Good post Marthe48 Aug 2024 #65
With literal tears in my eyes! aurora the great Aug 2024 #66
Ditto Delarage Aug 2024 #68
Thank you! Glamrock Aug 2024 #74
Well said -- Joe would have continued to have excellent impact overall. paulkienitz Aug 2024 #69
I know the feeling Tweedy Aug 2024 #75
Just like Jimmy Carter, Biden might end up more popular and revered AFTER his one-term 4lbs Aug 2024 #76
Biden got a LOT done, unlike another progressive hero of some....nt LexVegas Aug 2024 #77
It seemed that there were very vocal people Bettie Aug 2024 #80
Joe did not give up. He picked and trained a capable successor. His turnover was well carried out. keithbvadu2 Aug 2024 #81
Think about it this way, Joe yobrault1 Aug 2024 #82
That hurts GAJMac Aug 2024 #85
THE BEST Jean Genie Aug 2024 #88
I've loved him since the Robert Bork hearings wryter2000 Aug 2024 #89
Great post. Thank you. Evolve Dammit Aug 2024 #90
Ah, THAT Uncle Joe! DFW Aug 2024 #91
Beautiful post Wild blueberry Aug 2024 #93
I had a plan. HeartsCanHope Aug 2024 #94
No question that President Biden's accomplishments on behalf of the American people earned him a second term. lees1975 Aug 2024 #95
I also believe that President Biden could have beaten TFG LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2024 #98
My feelings are akin to yours... PCIntern Aug 2024 #101
Give him a chance to write memoirs, play with grandchildren, enjoy time watching his legacy blossom under Kamala lostnfound Aug 2024 #103
I feel EXACTLY the same about Joe as you do, Glamrock, Greybnk48 Aug 2024 #105
the gnewz media was unwilling to forgive the debate. even tho hillary won all 3. pansypoo53219 Aug 2024 #106
I don't remember Vice President Biden markodochartaigh Aug 2024 #107
It feels wrong to be talking about this now. We need to focus on the election, not how bad or good we feel about Joe. DontBelieveEastisEas Aug 2024 #108
Uncle Joe is typically used to refer to Joseph Stalin. This was confusing at first... Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #109
My apologies Glamrock Aug 2024 #113
Well, I'm quite a bit older. And it was in all the world history books. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #114
No issues! Glamrock Aug 2024 #115
This emily333 Aug 2024 #110
This is a well-written essay and I feel almost the same as you do about Joe FakeNoose Aug 2024 #111
President Biden saved Democracy in the United States of America. Kid Berwyn Aug 2024 #112
You and everyone else saw one-half of that debate. Ursus Rex Aug 2024 #116

Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
3. That was exactly why I wanted Joe to step down.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:29 AM
Aug 2024

We HAVE to win this! But I still feel ashamed of turning against a hero and a president we got but clearly didn’t deserve.

Ocelot II

(121,374 posts)
10. You didn't turn against him. You just accepted the reality
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:41 AM
Aug 2024

that he finally accepted - that he wasn't going to be able to recover from the perception, fair or unfair, that he wasn't going to be able to compete as a candidate.

peggysue2

(11,510 posts)
14. There's no shame in accepting the reality of the political situation
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:42 AM
Aug 2024

I agree on Joe Biden: he's been an outstanding president, the best in my living memory. And yes, he ended up with the short end of the stick after months of hounding by Trump, MAGA and the jackal press. Still, he stood strong, made a very difficult decision to step away for the sake of the country.

Because nothing is as important as defeating Trump and his Flying Monkey Brigade.

Joe Biden's legacy will be long and honorable outlasting any of us here. I will always love the man's courage and his deep regard for country and people.

I, too, come from Irish Catholic roots. He's the best of us.

ananda

(30,913 posts)
18. Even my Irish Catholic pro-life mother did not think that...
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:54 AM
Aug 2024

morals should be legislated.

IOW, if you're pro-life, be pro-life and don't get an abortion.

But if you're pro-choice, then it's your decision, not anyone
else's.

CincyDem

(6,960 posts)
41. Just because there came a day I had to take my dad's car keys away...it didn't mean I stopped loving him.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:39 AM
Aug 2024

Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
43. That's a really good point and I appreciate you for it.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:44 AM
Aug 2024

I had to go through taking mom’s keys away too and never looked at it from that perspective. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for that perspective.

GreenWave

(9,399 posts)
102. Fox started lying about him from day one.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 07:06 PM
Aug 2024

Other media took the bait and ran with it too.

So many people were brainwashed against him. He did great things with razor thin majorities or even minorities. That is the great shame of it all.

Deuxcents

(20,058 posts)
4. My respect and admiration of Uncle Joe was full on support even tho I did not always agree
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:33 AM
Aug 2024

But when he selflessly took his ambitions and put the country’s future ahead of his, I am unconditionally grateful to this honorable man. A true American Statesman that history will, no doubt, also hold in high regard.

Think. Again.

(18,928 posts)
5. We change as we age...
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:36 AM
Aug 2024

Joe Biden made the decision to step aside bevause he recognized his age-related changes made him a less desirable candidate than the younger and just as deserving candidate he handed the candidacy over to.

You didn't turn away from Uncle Joe the strong President you support, you turned away from a weaker candidate than Auntie Kamala.

Ocelot II

(121,374 posts)
7. It was messy and painful, and I didn't like the way so many Dems went public
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:39 AM
Aug 2024

with their concerns so quickly. It seemed very disrespectful. But we really don't know exactly what was happening behind the scenes, NYT know-it-all reports notwithstanding. What I think happened is that after the debate (which did bomb, and must have embarrassed Biden terribly) the media wouldn't let up about how old he was and how feeble he seemed, never gave him a chance to get his mojo back (he seemed fine in subsequent appearances, e.g., NATO) or to attribute one poor performance to illness or fatigue instead of the inexorable failings of old age. They just kept beating the drum. Of course that got folks scared, which was reflected in new polling, which got the politicians scared, which led to their pressure on him to step down. Whatever the actual situation was, there was no way Biden could have recovered from the perception that he couldn't handle an election campaign or a second term. I think he wanted very much to be able to show that he could do it, but he finally realized he couldn't overcome that perception, as unfair and inaccurate as it might have been. In the meantime, as well, he was negotiating the final parts of the prisoner swap deal, which few people knew about. I don't think he could have made the announcement before that deal was done without the risk it would fall apart.

In any event, he did the right thing under the circumstances, and he deserves all the credit and glory for putting the country ahead of what he wanted to do. Love the guy.

LisaM

(28,735 posts)
54. Yes, the media and all of the above. What enrages me...
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 12:38 PM
Aug 2024

is younger voters who just weren't going to vote for him, but got all excited by a younger candidate (hand picked by him) with the exact same policies and their breathless parents (I even saw evidence of that here) who were proudly reporting that now their kids and their kids' friends were going to vote. Really? They weren't going to before, even with reproductive rights and the environment on the line? Great parenting.

Biden is like Gandalf. With age comes great wisdom. Yes, I am still pissed, much as I like Kamala Harris, who's deftly handled all this.

Clouds Passing

(2,666 posts)
59. Claire McCaskill and Thom Hartmann, very disappointed with them!!!!!
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 01:10 PM
Aug 2024

She was awful in MSNBC. I’m ashamed I voted for her one too many times! And Thom, can hardly believe a word he says anymore!

CrispyQ

(38,540 posts)
8. They couldn't have found a less public way to do it? They being democratic congress members.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:39 AM
Aug 2024

Senator Michael Bennet was one of the first to speak out against Biden & was so harsh with his words. I wrote to him several times expressing my disgust with how he handled it. My other senator, Senator John Hickenlooper, put out a statement basically saying, 'this is a never seen before political situation & I think it's best to listen & not make myself part of the story.' He said it better than that.

IDK, maybe the whole thing had to be aired publicly, but I'm still POd at Bennet & think he could have tempered his words. He said we were on our way to lose in a landslide.

IMO, Joe Biden deserved much better.

PortTack

(34,822 posts)
24. Agree! I'm still mad at those that spoke against him. They could've handled it better...but chose not too
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:06 AM
Aug 2024

Harris/Walz ‘24!

Skya Rhen

(2,724 posts)
67. For the Party that boasts about diplomacy, this was a big fail for them. Utter disrespect and callousness by the
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 01:24 PM
Aug 2024

mouthpieces. Criminals have been treated with more respect than our President and the only “crime” that he committed, in their eyes, was the natural effects of getting older. Legacies were tarnished but Biden can hold his head high because his character remains in tact.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
79. Have you considered the possibility that the velvet glove/behind closed doors efforts
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 02:56 PM
Aug 2024

were going nowhere with Biden?

To me this seems to be the case.

Biden correctly believed he deserved a second term on the merits.

He incorrectly believed he was up for the day job WHILE vigorously campaigning for the term he "earned" (quotes for effect just because earned like the previously non quoted "deserved" has nothing to do with it) but had not been elected to and had dug in like an Alabama tick with a deed in its grasp.

Skya Rhen

(2,724 posts)
100. I considered that but everything was too orchestrated from the second the debate was over
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 06:44 PM
Aug 2024

I vividly remember John King looking down at his phone and breathlessly reading off messages he received from elected democrats - saying the most disparaging things about Biden that was all attributed to his age, physical appearance and mental capacity. From the word “go”, they gave him no grace and beat the man relentlessly while he was down.

After the debate, a diplomatic way would have been for them to privately meet with him regarding the performance and together lay out options that could be agreed upon.

So, no - I can’t give the bashers the benefit of a doubt. This was a plan that they immediately put into motion to unleash a smear campaign based on cruelty and intimidation, for the world to see.

Cassidy

(211 posts)
86. I, too, am very angry with the public way Bennet betrayed Biden.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 04:28 PM
Aug 2024

I think Bennet still has dreams of the White House for himself. I have never trusted him, but it seems Coloradoans are stuck with him until he chooses to leave.

Thank you for reporting what Hickenlooper's position was. That is honorable behavior.

Joe Biden was chair of the Judiciary Committee when Clarence Thomas was nominated to the "Supreme" Court. I remember the disastrous way Anita Hill's experiences and testimony were handled. But Biden learned from that and his ability to remain humble enough to learn from his mistakes is one of the things that makes him a great man and a great leader. I think there will be a role for him in the Harris administration, even if an informal advisory role. In this complicated world, we cannot afford to lose such a treasury of knowledge and wisdom.

soldierant

(7,965 posts)
104. I also wrote to Bennet
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 08:38 PM
Aug 2024

and contorted myself past my pain threshhold to be, not harsh, but reasonable.

Didn't get an anwer. And I ususally do get answered by him.

I didn't write to Hickenlooper because I didn't consider him part of the problem.

Dave in VA

(2,182 posts)
9. Thanks for this post
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:40 AM
Aug 2024

I could have written this exact thing, but not as eloquently as you have done.

Thanks.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,413 posts)
11. I don't think he was forced out. I think he
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:41 AM
Aug 2024

saw the reality of a 24/7 job at 80.

I didn't realize until I heard James Carville discuss why he thought Biden should step out. He said he thought about it for a long time. He's 80, too. And he realized that there was no way he would be as active and alert as you have to be in that job.

And we really needed younger people to start taking over from these ancient white guys. They were driving this country into the ground.

And along came KAMALA with all her energy. Perfect timing.

displacedvermoter

(3,194 posts)
21. Screw James Carville
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:00 AM
Aug 2024

Just saying...

Good thing we all jumped on his "mini primary" idea, right? Oh, wait, we didn't, thankfully.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,413 posts)
25. I have never paid much attention to him.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:06 AM
Aug 2024

And I was kind of offended when both he and Jon Stewart wanted Biden to step down.

But my problem with Stewart is that he says outloud what I'm afraid of but don't want to think about.

But I just happened to catch this Carville clip explaining. He was very thoughtful.

CincyDem

(6,960 posts)
42. I think he saw the reality of trying to do TWO 24/7 jobs...
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:43 AM
Aug 2024

Running the country AND saving the country at the same time…and given the importance of his side gig (getting re-elected), he made the decision to give the assignment to someone who could work the gig virtually full time. Not discounting the work involved in being YP but it ain’t the top job and I’m good with Joe doing the running and Kamala doing the saving.

Trueblue Texan

(2,986 posts)
47. I do not have much respect for James Carville...
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:59 AM
Aug 2024

In fact, I can't stand the man. But even if I could, I would still disagree with him. I absolutely believe Joe Biden could have handled another 4 years at the toughest job in the world, but I don't know if Americans, so concerned with image, could. Biden is an old man, but he IS sharp and experienced. Still, ya gotta get elected and I think that's where the problem was. Joe Biden didn't make the job look easy. It's NOT easy! But his age magnified the wear and tear it does on any human being.

I was crushed when he stepped down and my anger at the Democrats who trashed him still simmers. But Kamala Harris is a winning candidate who will fight for our democracy and our values, and that is the most important thing. Her campaign has been so flawless, you have to wonder if Biden hadn't arranged to step down quite a bit before the rest of us knew. You have to wonder if they didn't already have all their ducks in a row before anything was announced. Maybe someday we'll know. But if she runs her presidency in the same way she's run her campaign so far, this nation is in GREAT hands.

vanlassie

(5,900 posts)
78. I think he may very well have waited to step down
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 02:56 PM
Aug 2024

until that idiot Vance was solidified. So much work seemed to have been done overnight… it makes ya wonder.

MaryMagdaline

(7,914 posts)
13. 100 per cent to all of this!
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:42 AM
Aug 2024

I’ve loved Biden for 50 years. His presidency has been transformative. One reason is that it was pretty much a second term for him - all the things Obama could not get done when he didn’t have both house and senate. Biden learned from watching presidents get shut down when they would lose the House. He maximized the power when he had it.
Age stole his second term from him. But maybe it spurred him on in the first term. Maybe he accomplished so much because he was on borrowed time.

Bluestone

(4 posts)
15. Perfectly said.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:44 AM
Aug 2024

Thank you for that beautiful post. Sums up exactly how I feel too...just not articulate enough to say it that well.

Long time reader...but my first post. Not antisocial....just a little shy. Hello everyone.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,413 posts)
16. On a little different topic but I'm 76 and
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:48 AM
Aug 2024

don't have any real ailments and I have wondered what kept Trump going. He's up all night and golfing all day.

Is he on drugs or is he just naturally speedy?

Bongo Prophet

(2,732 posts)
71. Conscience you say? Oh, his Jiminy Cricket was murdered long ago.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 02:29 PM
Aug 2024

Side note: When Colin Powell was asked how the Bush2 admin could sleep at night, he answered, simply.

"Ambien."

Ocelot II

(121,374 posts)
87. What conscience?
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 04:39 PM
Aug 2024

You have to have one in order to be troubled by your manifold sins and wickednesses.

Demsrule86

(71,033 posts)
17. Can I just say...I am sick of such posts...I mean no offense but honestly...Joe Biden is not your Uncle nor mine.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:49 AM
Aug 2024

He was our president. He got more legislature through than anyone since Roosevelt except perhaps Johnson. I only hope President Kamala Harris can do as well or better. So far so good.

Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
20. Yes he is. He is the best of us.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 10:59 AM
Aug 2024

If you can’t view him as a family member? Your loss. Joe IS my family. In his blue collar speaking, his values, his voting record, love of family and love of country. Sorry to hear you’re so insular, but Joe IS my family.

And sorry to hear you’re so sick of posts where the author is literally crying while pouring his heart out to the world about their feelings about our leaders. You be you, bro.

JanLip

(858 posts)
29. Thank you Glam
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:14 AM
Aug 2024

This is a wonderful post you wrote. I feel the same way about our President. He has restored my faith. I believe (future) President Harris will only cement that faith and I am looking forward to her winning I also feel he’s part of my family. No question.


Jan

Happy Hoosier

(8,530 posts)
46. Kinda rude...
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:56 AM
Aug 2024

If posts like this are not your cup of tea, move on. No one needs to know your opinion on this matter.

Demsrule86

(71,033 posts)
99. I am sick of seeing such posts lauding Biden (who deserves it by the way) when I remember well what they said in
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 06:37 PM
Aug 2024

the past. Biden is one of the two best presidents in my lifetime. Do some understand we can remember what was said? And there is a print record too. I will ignore such posts in the future.

Ocelot II

(121,374 posts)
53. "Sick of such posts"? Really?
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 12:28 PM
Aug 2024

No, he's not the OP's actual uncle, or anybody else's who isn't part of his actual family, but he brings out warm sentiments that make him feel like family, and frankly it's kinda rude to drag on the OP for expressing that.

Demsrule86

(71,033 posts)
97. I love Biden. I worked on all his campaigns even during 1987. But I am sick of watching many who I know actually
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 06:29 PM
Aug 2024

demanded his resignation now act as if they love him so much. It is time to move forward. Biden did the honorable thing as he always does. And he was not too weak to continue either as some have intimated. I am proud of him as I always was. I think Kamala will do a good job, and it is time to move forward. All it does is irritate me when I see someone make these posts or answer these posts when with my memory and the posts record know damn well what was said in the past.

Bongo Prophet

(2,732 posts)
73. Uncle/Auntie are terms of endearment that are used often in a symbolic way, not literal.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 02:40 PM
Aug 2024

Also, to be clear, Joe is still president. So "He was our president" is inaccurate.

That aside, I think most here are hoping we wiin and VP Harris does as well or better, and gets the credit she deserves for doing so.

Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
22. It's not really self hatred.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:03 AM
Aug 2024

It’s just that the guy deserved another run. And recognizing that, my main instinct is to support. But my logical self saw we couldn’t win. And there’s the rub.

johnnyplankton

(456 posts)
23. Yes. Joe Biden was the most effective president of my lifetime...
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:04 AM
Aug 2024

But with our awful media, I think Joe would have been beaten or barely squeaked out a victory. I don't think we should let sentimentality interfere with reality. Our chances are a billion times better now with Kamala.

Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
26. Unfortunately
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:08 AM
Aug 2024

We are human, not robots. And the most logical decision might not always feel loyal, or ethical, or moral. Hence my conundrum.our sentimentality is what makes us human.

usonian

(14,512 posts)
27. My feelings: Joe outsmarted them all.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:08 AM
Aug 2024

Repost:

I am sure he decided that while he could win, as many of us thought, a younger ticket has better chances.

By doing what he did, he completely bamboozled the opposition, which spent all its energy bashing him.

Joe outsmarted and outplayed everyone, for the betterment of himself, the party, and the country.

Most of all, he loses the howler monkeys, the hate machine, and the doubters, who will ALL BE FORGOTTEN, while his record, and unselfish acts will be known forever, and that's 100% wonderful with me.

Great leaders have vision that transcends the short term matters.

His vision includes a younger, revitalized party and America whose leaders are more like the populace than himself and the opposition, and who will build upon his tireless, compassionate and bold efforts to move forward with great enthusiasm, energy and resolve.

BattleRow

(1,255 posts)
84. Since Trump only loves himself
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 03:23 PM
Aug 2024

I guess it wouldn't be self abuse..just giving a hand to someone he loves.

usonian

(14,512 posts)
39. He's stll attacking Joe Biden
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:26 AM
Aug 2024

Seems to claim that Kamala is a man.
Desperately seeking Joe.

Deranged old fart.

(I am a very lucid old fart.)

Played some Brahms and chainsawed some parasitic mistletoe from the oak trees yesterday.

That dipshit can't tie his own shoes.

yardwork

(64,686 posts)
30. We didn't turn on Joe Biden. We turned with him.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:15 AM
Aug 2024

My admiration for the man is greater than ever. He saw what had to be done and he did it. THAT is selfless public service.

Something people like Trump will never understand.

Arne

(3,608 posts)
33. Again to the chess analogy,
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:18 AM
Aug 2024

Biden Castled and the Queen came out.
Along with a Rook they can checkmate.

BattleRow

(1,255 posts)
35. Uncle Joe graciously gave up the
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:21 AM
Aug 2024

car keys on his own.

Now,there's someone new in the driver's seat.

She'll take good care of the car,while cruising to victory in November.

Walleye

(36,294 posts)
37. I feel the same. Joe is exactly the man he presents himself to be. Rare in a politician.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:23 AM
Aug 2024

Unfortunately, the lies and constant repetition of them broke through to the public. They slandered and lied about him He was never motivated by wealth or power. I also think they insulted the people of Delaware at the same time. He won six statewide elections. In a state that is basically a small town and everybody knows everybody’s business. I love him. He was always nice to me. I covered him for the newspaper. I have never seen him do anything duplicitous or mendacious. I was sorry that he stepped aside as well, but I am excited about Kamala’s candidacy and I think we owe him that too, he picked her. she’s the first woman vice president and he put her in a position to be the first woman president. I didn’t think I would see that chance again in my lifetime. I’m sure he’s taught her well. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was thinking of something like this all along and waited till after the Republicans stupid convention. I’m looking forward to seeing him and Jill back in the neighborhood. He shops at the same grocery store that I do

Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
45. Oh man. You made me realize!
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:55 AM
Aug 2024

I never spoke of my hopes and thrill Kamala is our candidate! I fully support the decision he made and the way he set us up for victory. Just breaks my heart that I turned against a hero, a PROVEN hero of mine. Whether it was the right thing to do or not. My heart hurts.

IbogaProject

(3,750 posts)
44. I wasn't a fan of Joe until he got into the Presidency
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:54 AM
Aug 2024

I voted for him, for VP in 2008, 2012 and for President in 2020. I felt we could have run the country with just his team and his notebook. I was going to vote for the great team he has built. And I've been amazed how a former centrist, who promised "to not change much of anything" during the 2020 campaign, didn't keep that 'promise'. This is still a strong sell now, he has the connections, skills, experience and intelligence to get things done legislatively. The GOP can't really do anything useful as they have cornered themselves with refusing to do the cooperation that good legislation requires.

AlexSFCA

(6,273 posts)
49. When Harris wins, it will be remembered as Biden's achievement
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 12:06 PM
Aug 2024

more than any second term would have. He is aiming for a much bigger legacy. It’s honestly the best possible outcome for Joe who doesn’t need to worry about energy draining campaigning anymore.

oasis

(51,765 posts)
50. To me, Joe represented positivity and comfort.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 12:10 PM
Aug 2024

It carries a lot of weight with most voters.

51. I love Joe too, as obviously do so many. And I believe his rewards will be great, as are ours for his selfless act.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 12:15 PM
Aug 2024

Botany

(72,639 posts)
52. And even now he and his people are working on removing the dams from the Salmon River
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 12:22 PM
Aug 2024


The man is transformational. His actions are gifts to our grandchildren.

Martin Eden

(13,554 posts)
55. If that "fateful debate" is judged on content, Joe Biden WON
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 12:59 PM
Aug 2024

He told the truth, while his opponent spewed a gish gallop of bold-faced easily disprovable LIES.

Some of the lies were so egregious, Trump's mendacity should have captured the bigger headlines. He said the J6 crowd was small, and the police escorted them into the building. He also asserted Nancy Pelosi said it was all her fault because she refused to call in the National Guard.

I've ALWAYS liked Joe Biden and voted for him in 2020, but I was against him seeking a 2nd term at the end of which he would be 86 years old. However, as it turns out, I think we're in a better place to win this November than if we had an open primary in 2023.

As a side note, prior to 2020 in Democratic primaries I refused to vote for Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and any other Dem who in October 2002 voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq.

I joined DU during the run-up to that war, and joined the protest in Washington DC four days before "Shock and Awe" was launched. John Kerry, especially, broke my heart. He garnered national attention as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and I hoped he would stand up against the Bush administration's campaign of lies for their PNAC war of choice.

But that's all water under the bridge now (except for the families of those killed or wounded in body and soul).

We now have hope and joy that better days lie ahead.

flamingdem

(39,950 posts)
61. Yes and yes
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 01:14 PM
Aug 2024

I too love Joe. Was so upset but now it's okay.

Fingers crossed for Joe to stay active in some role.

I miss him already! And Jill.

AverageOldGuy

(2,163 posts)
63. Let's correct something you said
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 01:17 PM
Aug 2024

You said:

But he became even more a hero by recognizing my fears and stepping out. I will always be thankful to him for that act. And I will also always kinda hate myself for turning on someone I love.


Neither you nor any other person who felt as you did -- I am one -- turned our backs on "Uncle Joe". He did as he has always done: THE RIGHT THING.

He recognized that the time had come to pass the baton. He could have stayed in the race, may have won, may not. But he knew what was best FOR THE NATION, not what was best for himself.

Please don't beat yourself up about moving from Joe to Kamala -- he did the right thing, you did the right thing. And doing the right thing is often very, very hard.

Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
72. Yeah it really is.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 02:39 PM
Aug 2024

I’m not trying to be dramatic. I cried writing this mea culpa. I adore the man. But, as you said, I had to put country above loyalty to a man. I know it was the right decision. But it hurt nonetheless.Ot just isn’t in my character to be disloyal. And I feel disloyal.

Marthe48

(19,292 posts)
65. Good post
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 01:19 PM
Aug 2024

When Mr. Biden was running for president for the 2020 election, I saw him getting interviewed. I can't remember if Ms. Harris was sitting with him at the same interview.
Whoever was interviewing Mr. Biden asked a question something like, if you aren't up to the job, what will you do? Mr. Biden replied that he'd hand it over to Ms. Harris. It was very offhand, but since July, I haven't been able to shake the feeling that Mr. Biden helped craft this whole political shift, and it he is, indeed, masterful

aurora the great

(109 posts)
66. With literal tears in my eyes!
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 01:22 PM
Aug 2024

Thank you, Thank you so much for posting this. I spent almost 40 years of my adult life living in Delaware. No politician or person that I respected more. Delaware is a small state and I even got to meet him a few times. Warm smile, kind eyes with a bit of a twinkle. I was proud to call him my Senator and even though I had moved to Maryland by the 2020 election. He was still my Joe, Senator now President Biden. Blessings to you from one very proud Delawarean.

Delarage

(2,354 posts)
68. Ditto
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 01:59 PM
Aug 2024

But I still live here 😁. I look forward to seeing him around more....I live about 5 miles from his house & church (but literally on the other side of the tracks, LOL). He's a great human being!

Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
74. Thank you!
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 02:44 PM
Aug 2024

As a male, I hate, HATE, displaying my emotions. But they are true and I can’t see how we move forward if I hide them.

Tweedy

(1,206 posts)
75. I know the feeling
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 02:49 PM
Aug 2024

President Biden earned a second term. No President in my lifetime has delivered more for so many in such a short time. I am with the VP all the way; although, I still feel the loss of what we will not see, Joe Biden’s second term.

The left behind counties are growing
Our country is growing and leaving our economic competitors far behind
It really is morning in America again.

I don’t know why so many in our press ignore reality. I don’t know why so many of our reporters appear content to live inside the lies Mr. Trump actually struggles to proclaim. The man is an unserious word salad express who understands less about our country than most fifth graders do. That is plainly obvious to anyone who listens to him.

Whatever the reason, our fourth estate is falling down disastrously in its essential duty. Thank goodness President Biden figured out a way to unify us behind Vice President Harris and thank goodness she is qualified for the presidency.

Going forward we all need to ignore the gop ear worms. Although much of our press appears in thrall to the stream of bs, we cannot be.

No more chicken little-ing between now and November no matter what some pundit proclaims.

Let us make certain President Biden’s sacrifice has meaning by electing Kamala Harris to the presidency! Anything less would be unfair to him and a disaster for our country.

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
76. Just like Jimmy Carter, Biden might end up more popular and revered AFTER his one-term
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 02:52 PM
Aug 2024

four years, than while in office.

He was already an awesome POTUS these past 4 years, the person we needed to "right the ship" that Dumpy ran aground quickly.

Now that he has turned over the Captaincy to Kamala, to me he will be even better.

I wouldn't be surprised if she drew upon him as some sort of "special advisor" who can help her navigate the Congressional waters during her Presidency.

Bettie

(17,381 posts)
80. It seemed that there were very vocal people
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 03:02 PM
Aug 2024

looking to humiliate him. To make themselves feel important by denigrating a great president and a good, decent man.

That is wrong and I will remember who they were. I'll remember who stood with him.

I'll also remember AOC standing up and telling what was being said behind closed doors about shutting Kamala out. I believe that it was her public statements about this that made them stick to our VP being the nominee, which is the only thing that kept this from becoming a disaster.

keithbvadu2

(40,419 posts)
81. Joe did not give up. He picked and trained a capable successor. His turnover was well carried out.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 03:10 PM
Aug 2024

yobrault1

(158 posts)
82. Think about it this way, Joe
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 03:21 PM
Aug 2024

Biden will prove to be the most patriotic and successful president of our lifetime. He took the reins back from an unglued, untethered, undisciplined and unserious man and put the country on a path to success. Then, in one tremendous act of selflessness, he handed the reins to a younger generation. It wasn’t easy for him to do but nothing worth doing ever is. He only did this because he knew that people that loved him were scared. He did it because he loves you and he did it because he loves his country.

Now it’s your turn (the people) to step up. It’s not gonna be easy to win your country back from the tides of hate and greed and chart a new course, but you have to do it anyways. Good luck to us all.

THE WORLD IS ROOTING FOR YOU!!!

GAJMac

(232 posts)
85. That hurts
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 04:08 PM
Aug 2024

You just described my emotions when I saw how the media attack dogs went after "Uncle Joe" as you call him. When he stepped down I was sure it was the end. I knew he did it for the best of reasons, putting country before self and ideals before personal achievements, but I was still terrified.
Thankfully, his Second-in-Command was able and willing to step up and carry the torch. With the new excitement and joy building in the faithful since that day, I'm sure that, with the man that he is, he is rejoicing despite his personal loss. Did I mention putting country before self?
The finest example of honor and fealty I have witnessed in the political realm EVER. This man won't give up the ship, even if it means giving up command.

Jean Genie

(417 posts)
88. THE BEST
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 04:50 PM
Aug 2024

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Joe Biden is SIMPLY THE BEST! We are so lucky to have been on this planet during his lifetime. May he have a long, and totally enjoyable retirement relaxing under his own fig tree ("Hamilton" reference if you don't know). Bless him - and bless his wonderful family.

wryter2000

(47,574 posts)
89. I've loved him since the Robert Bork hearings
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 05:06 PM
Aug 2024

The Clarence Thomas hearings didn't go the way they should have, and I'm sure he'd like to do that over now. We're so much better about sexual harassment these days.

I knew he'd be a good president. I had no idea he'd be as great as he has been. I'll bet you money he'll accomplish a lot still before he leaves office.

DFW

(56,796 posts)
91. Ah, THAT Uncle Joe!
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 05:16 PM
Aug 2024

Those of us with parents who were World War II vets remember to who whom “Uncle Joe” referred back then: Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, the runner-up in the 20th century’s “Who can cause the deaths of the most people in my own country?” contest.

Joe Biden is by far the better man to earn the nuckname!

Wild blueberry

(7,259 posts)
93. Beautiful post
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 05:23 PM
Aug 2024

It would make a wonderful letter to Joe, and I think you'd feel good sending it to him.
I wrote him a thank-you letter, expressing my respect, gratitude, and love. Made me feel better.
Cannot stand how the corporate media piled on him, and some Dems went public. I'm done with them.
But I wanted to convey how much I admire Joe.
Your post would make a fabulous letter.
Thank you.

HeartsCanHope

(754 posts)
94. I had a plan.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 05:28 PM
Aug 2024

President Biden was going to have a second term, then VP Harris was going to take over and have 8 years. We would have 12 years of safety to fix all the crap that Republicans have inflicted on us. I love President Biden and will miss his steady hand at the helm. As I watch VP Harris, I feel that President Biden will still be with us. He mentored her for 4 years, and while she will be her own person, he's given her his wisdom and experience and she will use what he has given her to continue to save this country. I am so excited that a woman will be president, I have waited for that since 1972 and Shirley Chisholm's run. I thought that we would have Hillary Clinton as president, but the Republicans stole that. The new generation of Dems are capable and savvy, so I will hopefully have more than my 12 years. It will be as it is to be, but I will miss President Biden. He saved us once again by stepping out of the race, and history will give him his due as one of the greatest Presidents of all time.

lees1975

(6,083 posts)
95. No question that President Biden's accomplishments on behalf of the American people earned him a second term.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 05:58 PM
Aug 2024

And I don't doubt that he is physically and mentally up to it, in spite of right wing conspiracy theorists claims. I also believe that the media was using polling data, including cherry picking outliers, as they are doing now with Harris, to show he was doing worse than he really was. I honestly believe that when it came down to it, he'd have beaten Trump comfortably and thoroughly and I think we're going to see something in November that is far greater than our nail-biting pollsters are predicting in terms of a Harris win.

His decision to stop his campaign and endorse Kamala Harris will go down as one of the greatest political decisions in American history. The contrast between the Democratic party's unity and motivation and the GOP's infighting that includes 21% of their primary voters casting a ballot for candidates that had already dropped out of the race, is stunning.

LetMyPeopleVote

(155,388 posts)
98. I also believe that President Biden could have beaten TFG
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 06:31 PM
Aug 2024

I have been a fan of Joe Biden for a while. I was able to meet Joe Biden twice back in 2019 at fundraisers where he took some selfies of us and signed some floor speech signs from his speech at the 2016 National Convention. I also got to talk to Joe Biden about stuttering and he told me about the 20+ stutterers he keeps track of.

I am sad that Joe Biden decided to drop out but his decision was the best for the country





PCIntern

(26,991 posts)
101. My feelings are akin to yours...
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 06:44 PM
Aug 2024

I’ve had issues with him over the years, particularly when he was chairman of the judiciary committee but I knew in 2020 that he was the only candidate who had a shot at defeating our tinhorn-Mussolini.

I was heartsick watching the debate and figuratively sat shiva until I saw the joy and relief that the party had when Kamala was received so warmly.

Unfortunately, Americans are as a whole too stupid to understand what they had here and optics are nearly everything. Carter vs Reagan. Another nightmare.

lostnfound

(16,708 posts)
103. Give him a chance to write memoirs, play with grandchildren, enjoy time watching his legacy blossom under Kamala
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 07:55 PM
Aug 2024

Surely he deserves some years to NOT be a politician, for a while. Time to just be human.

I’m sure he could provide some great content for his memoirs.

And he started the US on a path toward reborn democracy in the hands of an empowered next generation of Democrats.

Greybnk48

(10,433 posts)
105. I feel EXACTLY the same about Joe as you do, Glamrock,
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 09:00 PM
Aug 2024

and I have zero doubt he would have crushed a second term. It still makes me really sad and depressed how he was attacked, disrespected, lied about and minimized over the past months given all he did for us his first four years.

To me the giants of the 20th and 21st century in US governance will be FDR, LBJ, and J.R. Biden. No one else can touch them, or him.

pansypoo53219

(21,782 posts)
106. the gnewz media was unwilling to forgive the debate. even tho hillary won all 3.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:05 PM
Aug 2024

yes. what could have been, but he deserves a nice retirement w/ his dogs.

markodochartaigh

(2,221 posts)
107. I don't remember Vice President Biden
Mon Aug 26, 2024, 03:05 AM
Aug 2024

stuttering when he came out in favor of marriage equality before his president was ready. I'm not aware of any vice president going ahead of their president on anything else, ever. I don't remember President Biden stumbling when he walked the picket line. I know no other president has done that.

DontBelieveEastisEas

(1,200 posts)
108. It feels wrong to be talking about this now. We need to focus on the election, not how bad or good we feel about Joe.
Mon Aug 26, 2024, 03:31 AM
Aug 2024

You say, "There is no president who has DESERVED a second at bat than Uncle Joe"
And that you felt bad?

After seeing the debate, it was obvious that he should not have a second at bat. It was time for a designated hitter.
Don't feel bad.

However, focus on winning the election. After we win, lets have this discussion in more detail.

Oopsie Daisy

(4,553 posts)
109. Uncle Joe is typically used to refer to Joseph Stalin. This was confusing at first...
Mon Aug 26, 2024, 06:58 AM
Aug 2024

... and I think his tribute/analysis would have been better with a simple "Biden" or "Joe Biden" or "President Biden" instead of the odd and distracting "Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe" six times throughout. It sounded forced because that's NOT his nickname, not really.

I guess people can call him anything they want, and others have called him much worse... but this nickname seems to pay into the RW's talking points that President Biden was ready to put out to pasture, or that he's ready for the retirement home and sitting on the front porch-swing.

Glamrock

(11,994 posts)
113. My apologies
Mon Aug 26, 2024, 11:34 AM
Aug 2024

Being born 18 years after the death of Joseph Stalin, and his being dead for 71 years, I never heard of him being referred to as Uncle Joe.

And that’s my very affectionate name for my president. Sorry if it felt forced to you. That IS his nickname in my household.

Oopsie Daisy

(4,553 posts)
114. Well, I'm quite a bit older. And it was in all the world history books.
Mon Aug 26, 2024, 11:38 AM
Aug 2024

But... no worries. It just hit me wrong.

I enjoy your posts. Let's win this election!

FakeNoose

(35,974 posts)
111. This is a well-written essay and I feel almost the same as you do about Joe
Mon Aug 26, 2024, 08:49 AM
Aug 2024

We're not turning on him when we support Kamala Harris. We're allowing Joe the grace to step down with dignity and to choose his own way to retire on his terms. There's no disloyalty in that.

Joe deserves the peace of mind knowing that the country won't fall into the hands of an evil fascist dictator. Kamala won't let that happen! Joe has been a great President, and he has accomplished so much in the last 3.8 years. He can hold his head up and receive the love and respect he deserves from a grateful nation.

Thank you Joe Biden!

Kid Berwyn

(18,296 posts)
112. President Biden saved Democracy in the United States of America.
Mon Aug 26, 2024, 10:03 AM
Aug 2024

Then he stepped aside to pass the torch to the next generation, ensuring liberty and freedom and the U.S. Constitution continue to be the light of the world.

Thank you, Glamrock, for a great OP and thread.

Ursus Rex

(295 posts)
116. You and everyone else saw one-half of that debate.
Mon Aug 26, 2024, 01:49 PM
Aug 2024

TFG was still speaking over Biden even though his mic was muted. It looked like a masacre but it was also partly an ambush. As delighted as I am with how things look with Harris-Walz, we were led down a primrose path.

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