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Hotler

(12,442 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:37 AM Oct 2024

From Esquire, by Charles P. Pierce. I've Had Enough Of Democrats Rehabbing Dick and Liz Cheney

(snip) It is now the second day, and I think I have had my fill of the Apotheosis Of The Cheneys. It is nice that Liz Cheney is working so hard for the Democratic ticket. But it is goddamn weird that a retired war criminal like Dick Cheney is shouted out at a Democratic rally. As I believe I've said a number of times, this is indeed an all-hands-on-deck moment. However, all-hands-on-deck does not mean all hands on the bridge. The Cheneys get a laurel and hardy handshake from me, and then I'll move along to appreciate the contributions of the people who have spent decades fighting the politics that a) made Trump not only possible, but inevitable, and b) that the Cheneys have represented for their entire public careers.

(Thursday's Nicolle Wallace show on MSNBC was an exaltation ceremony with Liz Cheney cast in a role somewhere between Joan of Arc and Wonder Woman. I lasted about 10 minutes.)

If Liz Cheney had gotten up at the rally in Wisconsin and denounced Project 2025, or rejected the Unitary Executive doctrine, which has been her Daddy's chew-toy since he was covering for Iran-Contra, I'd have been truly impressed. If she had voted for, and not against, the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, while she was still in Congress, that would have been another gold star on her resume. If she had voted for, and not against, the Equality Act, that would have been another. As is, as the old Bartles and Jaymes dudes used to say, thank you for your support. Now go help Daddy pack for The Hague,
(Thursday's Nicolle Wallace show on MSNBC was an exaltation ceremony with Liz Cheney cast in a role somewhere between Joan of Arc and Wonder Woman. I lasted about 10 minutes.)
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From Esquire, by Charles P. Pierce. I've Had Enough Of Democrats Rehabbing Dick and Liz Cheney (Original Post) Hotler Oct 2024 OP
Preach it.... They are s root cause of the current fidease JT45242 Oct 2024 #1
Oh please. What the hell is this? It's time to be Machiavellian now, use our heads. brush Oct 2024 #67
Precisely. Like we can B.See Oct 2024 #104
You are absolutely correct Blue Full Moon Oct 2024 #89
I agree totally. Raven123 Oct 2024 #2
Cheney is positioning herself to lead the Republican party wnylib Oct 2024 #16
not a chance, she has NO support. WarGamer Oct 2024 #25
She was defeated in Wyoming because of Trump's control wnylib Oct 2024 #38
*Wyoming. WarGamer Oct 2024 #39
Oops. Thanks. I corrected it. wnylib Oct 2024 #62
I've explained it numerous times. WarGamer Oct 2024 #40
Vance, maybe. Gabbard and DeSantis, no. wnylib Oct 2024 #60
you are absolutely right. JohnSJ Oct 2024 #88
Well, markodochartaigh Oct 2024 #58
I have but one recommend to give and I give it with a resounding Fuck, Yeah! Solly Mack Oct 2024 #3
As I have commented many times before on this point, Ocelot II Oct 2024 #4
THIS SunSeeker Oct 2024 #45
While I agree the proverbial gate should be cocked and ready to you know what. n/t Cheezoholic Oct 2024 #49
K&R for Charlie Pierce and perspective! mountain grammy Oct 2024 #5
Go fuck yourself Charles Pierce. This isn't about rehabilitation of anyone, JohnSJ Oct 2024 #6
Agree, the dems are trying their best to get republicans to stand up and do the right thing Bev54 Oct 2024 #27
THIS orangecrush Oct 2024 #33
Thank you! This is all out war. We would not have won WWII if not for a pact we made with the Stalin devil! PortTack Oct 2024 #34
Charles Pierce is as important a voice of displacedvermoter Oct 2024 #69
I got it. We are 30 days from the general election and now is the perfect time to diss the republicans that are JohnSJ Oct 2024 #85
You are so right. It's not that hard to understand. Winning is the thing. brush Oct 2024 #105
I love Charlie Pierce but he is wrong here Blaukraut Oct 2024 #114
Exactly. We're not fucking stupid FrankBooth Oct 2024 #142
We are tryng to win an election JI7 Oct 2024 #7
Exactly. What is he suggesting that VP Harris refuse his endorsement? JohnSJ Oct 2024 #11
but we don't have to sell our soul to do it. tman Oct 2024 #15
What does that even mean ? Why do people act like politics and elections are some personal religion ? JI7 Oct 2024 #21
Sell one's soul Cirsium Oct 2024 #31
This fucked up mentality is what gave us Bush and Cheney in the first place JI7 Oct 2024 #44
He is pointing out that the Cheneys don't have much displacedvermoter Oct 2024 #74
Who thinks it's anything more than that ? The endorsement itself JI7 Oct 2024 #77
The author of the Esquire piece does Cirsium Oct 2024 #81
Thise demanding purity aren't Democrats. They are the trash that helped Bush Cheney win JI7 Oct 2024 #92
That is a problem Cirsium Oct 2024 #108
The lying trash that helped Bush and Cheney win becsuse Gore wasn't Pure enough stent Democrats JI7 Oct 2024 #109
Beg your pardon? Cirsium Oct 2024 #112
My anger is towards those who have a problem with Kamala Harris tryng to win an election JI7 Oct 2024 #113
Tulsi Gabbard? Cirsium Oct 2024 #125
Right Cirsium Oct 2024 #79
You're welcome displacedvermoter Oct 2024 #80
Harris? Cirsium Oct 2024 #76
Yep. This 'selling your soul' talk is straight-up electoral idiocy FrankBooth Oct 2024 #143
Kamala isnt hating on Cheney, so i wont either. nt LexVegas Oct 2024 #8
people can change--if 10% or even 5% of the rethuglicans follow Cheney's lead, we win easily. cadoman Oct 2024 #130
A great column to write in MID-NOVEMBER Prairie Gates Oct 2024 #9
Save it until after the election. We have a common enemy to defeat. We can sort our differences after. Midnight Writer Oct 2024 #10
If Liz Cheney can influence Mz Pip Oct 2024 #12
President Biden on Liz Cheney and her father: highplainsdem Oct 2024 #13
How to lose an election. Let Pierce be your campaign manager. JohnSJ Oct 2024 #14
Good for you, I can live with that. n/t elocs Oct 2024 #17
Yup. Here's 2019 Liz praising Trump and accusing Democrats of murdering babies JHB Oct 2024 #18
This isn't about supporting Liz Cheney for President JI7 Oct 2024 #23
Pierce is a useful idiot, obviously......nt DoBW Oct 2024 #32
Nicole is still a republican/republicon in her heart WhiteTara Oct 2024 #19
If they can bring extra votes kacekwl Oct 2024 #20
Who is suggesting we forget who they are? ShazzieB Oct 2024 #65
Never angrychair Oct 2024 #107
Or his honesty displacedvermoter Oct 2024 #111
I respect your position, but I don't think we're on exactly the same page. ShazzieB Oct 2024 #124
Strange times, strange bedfellows peggysue2 Oct 2024 #22
Best read of the day, thanks! WarGamer Oct 2024 #24
Let me understand this. So because the Democrats are trying to get republicans to vote for Harris/Walz you think that JohnSJ Oct 2024 #86
I agree... but can we flush them all the day after the election? WarGamer Oct 2024 #100
Of course. As bad as this may sound winning is paramount. because the stakes are so high. JohnSJ Oct 2024 #106
It's called using people. Like joining a political party to run for office and the day after losing betsuni Oct 2024 #26
What a great help to Trump! Frances Oct 2024 #28
exaqctly, Pierce is a useful idiot .....nt DoBW Oct 2024 #30
I can't stand Dick Cheney Jilly_in_VA Oct 2024 #29
Lol. We have 30 days. No time for this ecstatic Oct 2024 #35
The enemy of my enemy evolves Oct 2024 #36
The most salient point here being... Hugin Oct 2024 #37
Politics makes strange bedfellows Charles. Klarkashton Oct 2024 #41
All true. mn9driver Oct 2024 #42
I'm not "rehabbing" Liz Cheney. I'm just glad she gave credibility to the Jan 6th inquiry, and has been an endless Martin68 Oct 2024 #43
Liz was very much part of the effort that created Donald Trump Skittles Oct 2024 #54
Revenge for what? Martin68 Oct 2024 #71
for the way they treated her Skittles Oct 2024 #78
I'm guessing you haven't read her book. ShazzieB Oct 2024 #73
I haven't read Cheney's book, but it was her defense of the Constitution that gained her my respect. Martin68 Oct 2024 #140
If her Daddy or another Puke was subverting Democracy she would be fine with it. Autumn Oct 2024 #138
of course she would Skittles Oct 2024 #144
Oh boo hoo Chuck. Get over yourself. BannonsLiver Oct 2024 #46
K n R. My feelings exactly. n/t JoeOtterbein Oct 2024 #47
our entire country, democracy itself is at stake Takket Oct 2024 #48
Yes Dick lied us into an unneeded war and became a billionaire from it, helped w to cheat his Botany Oct 2024 #50
I hear you. It's an "Enemy of my enemy" thing. We do owe her a debt for standing against Trump. Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #51
That is exactly what it is, nothing more. JohnSJ Oct 2024 #87
We'll call it even because I'm sure she supported and enabled Trump's dumbass in the first place. In It to Win It Oct 2024 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Oct 2024 #52
"A laurel, and hardy handshake" JoseBalow Oct 2024 #53
hey i will wear someones old cast off smelly sweaty shoes if thats the only way samnsara Oct 2024 #55
I don't agree at all with Charles Pierce... orwell Oct 2024 #56
Well stated. ShazzieB Oct 2024 #75
It's "Liz", not Lynn, but Karma13612 Oct 2024 #93
Sorry... orwell Oct 2024 #103
There'll be plenty of time to hate them after the election Seasider Oct 2024 #57
There's plenty of time now. Iggo Oct 2024 #72
I don't give a crap who you hate or how much Seasider Oct 2024 #96
THANK YOU Skittles Oct 2024 #59
Fuckin' A. Iggo Oct 2024 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author brush Oct 2024 #63
Peirce says he knows we now need all hands on deck . . . people Oct 2024 #64
OMG Pierce complainers. What you're saying he should say is literally what he said. pspro Oct 2024 #66
Charles P. Pierce can sit on his high horse all by himself. madaboutharry Oct 2024 #68
It's just that Dick Cheney is, always has been, a displacedvermoter Oct 2024 #91
People evolve. madaboutharry Oct 2024 #98
Two things can be true at the same time. Bleacher Creature Oct 2024 #70
Good post! Kaleva Oct 2024 #99
RSO rso Oct 2024 #82
RSO rso Oct 2024 #83
Thank you for your support Liz and Dick, now go back to your neo-con cave. jalan48 Oct 2024 #84
Charles Pierce can go sit on a hot poker. F**k him. We have an election to win! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2024 #90
I can dig the aisle reach across, within limits Montauk6 Oct 2024 #94
Not the time for this. There are dozens of more important issues to spend Persondem Oct 2024 #95
Totally agree. returnee Oct 2024 #97
It's called a coalition you fucking idiot (Pierce). awesomerwb1 Oct 2024 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 2024 #102
Where in the article does it say Pierce said anything about rejecting either Cheney's vote? Solly Mack Oct 2024 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 2024 #116
Where does it say he said to reject their votes? Answer that. And, Liz Cheney wouldn't reject that because she Solly Mack Oct 2024 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 2024 #119
But you got it wrong both times. Can't you admit it? How hard is it to admit that the man didn't say reject the votes Solly Mack Oct 2024 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 2024 #121
LMAO Thank you! Solly Mack Oct 2024 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 2024 #127
LMAO. Again, thank you! Solly Mack Oct 2024 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 2024 #129
Damn Solly Mack Oct 2024 #131
known you here for years and years bigtree Oct 2024 #133
Stop it. No where in any of your replies does it even remotely suggest that you were in pain or Solly Mack Oct 2024 #134
Liz Cheney, Mike Pence... once in a while they are on the right side and do or say.... IcyPeas Oct 2024 #110
It's the Bootlicking Neo-Con you know vs. the Facist Totalitarian Sino-Russo Nazi you don't know. TheBlackAdder Oct 2024 #117
DURec leftstreet Oct 2024 #123
Liz Cheney protected Ginni Thomas... TommyT139 Oct 2024 #126
TOTALLY Agree! nt Raine Oct 2024 #132
That's great. Let's do all that after the election. In It to Win It Oct 2024 #135
Got that right. Autumn Oct 2024 #137
I know their behavior JustAnotherGen Oct 2024 #139
It's making me sick to be honest. It happens right on this site. mucholderthandirt Oct 2024 #141

JT45242

(3,008 posts)
1. Preach it.... They are s root cause of the current fidease
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:46 AM
Oct 2024

I would argue it goes back to not prosecuting the America first republicans, runs through the McCarthy years. Nixon and treason with birth Vietnam, Agnew coverup and defense, Reagan and the treason with the hostages, Billy Barr covering up two treasonous escapades as a Cheney acolyte, Cheney and W lying about WMD, newt and mcturtle.

But fuck Cheney had his fingers in a lot of those pies.

brush

(58,245 posts)
67. Oh please. What the hell is this? It's time to be Machiavellian now, use our heads.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:38 PM
Oct 2024

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's not that complicated. The Cheneys are enemies of trump, so for now we work with them as friends to get VP Harris elected.

For now.

B.See

(3,976 posts)
104. Precisely. Like we can
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:26 PM
Oct 2024

afford to bite a helping hand at this point.

Fuck the trees and behold the forest.

Raven123

(6,171 posts)
2. I agree totally.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:47 AM
Oct 2024

I don’t get it. Can’t understand her appearance in Wisconsin unless they are just trying to trigger TFG. I just can’t see her influencing voters. She accepted TFG’s behavior until Jan 6. She knew what he was doing before that date.

wnylib

(24,970 posts)
16. Cheney is positioning herself to lead the Republican party
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:38 AM
Oct 2024

once Trump is out of the picture. Her political positions are just as appalling as her father's and Trump's, but her objection to Trump is that he's in it for himself alone. The Cheneys support a Project 2025 style of governance, with themselves at the head of it.

If they destroy Trump politically and get control of the party again, Cheney will run against Harris in 2028. If she won, she might find a place in her cabinet for Vance.

WarGamer

(15,856 posts)
25. not a chance, she has NO support.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:12 PM
Oct 2024

She got SMOKED in her home State in her last election.

wnylib

(24,970 posts)
38. She was defeated in Wyoming because of Trump's control
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:41 PM
Oct 2024

Last edited Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:26 PM - Edit history (1)

of the party. With Trump's influence gone, the establishment wing of the party will return to power

WarGamer

(15,856 posts)
40. I've explained it numerous times.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:44 PM
Oct 2024

There IS NO party for Liz to go back to.

She is a neocon. Neocons believe in things like Government interventionism, American Hegemony, Israel support and spreading American forms of Democracy worldwide.

The current GOP Party... the voters... are now more isolationist and against the MIC spending.

The neocons unfortunately find more in common TODAY with the Democratic Party.

The POST-TRUMP GOP will smell the same but have a different Captain at the wheel.

Vance, Gabbard... DeSantis? Someone like that. More polished than Trump, with 2X the IQ but same core philosophy.

wnylib

(24,970 posts)
60. Vance, maybe. Gabbard and DeSantis, no.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:24 PM
Oct 2024

For Neocons, spreading democracy was a euphemism for expanding raw, unregulated capitalism in the world, sometimes through military conquest and related, lucrative government contracts.

The lunatic MAGAs, like Boebert and Green will fade away without Trump. The toxic masculinity of Hawley and even Vance will lose its appeal. The remnants might retain the party name of Republican, or might call themselves something else, like MAGA, without the Republican moniker.

A new conservative party will emerge, either with a new name or will stick with the Republican name. They will drop the overt racism and will seek out conservative minorities and women. They will favor a strong central government in the executive branch and will oppose social programs. Their "governance" will retain the appearance of democracy, but will favor corporations and the wealthy to the extent that they will control politics like a "benevolent" dictatorship.

markodochartaigh

(2,221 posts)
58. Well,
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:22 PM
Oct 2024

Trump doesn't have any political positions except to help himself in any way possible. But the reich-wing corporate oiligarchs, evilgelicals, and techbros that support Trump certainly do have political positions, and any Republican at the national level will have to adopt most, if not all, of those positions, willingly or unwillingly.

The only difference between the corporate Republicans, who haven't supported Trump from the beginning, and the maga Republicans is that the corporate Republicans support democracy. At least the gerrymandered, disenfranchised, and suppressed democracy under which they have done so well for half a century. The maga Republicans do not support any real pretense to democracy if they aren't in control.

Ocelot II

(121,785 posts)
4. As I have commented many times before on this point,
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:53 AM
Oct 2024

the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend, but they can be a useful temporary ally, viz. Churchill and Stalin. “If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons," said Churchill when his alliance with Stalin was questioned. Same goes here.

SunSeeker

(54,186 posts)
45. THIS
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:52 PM
Oct 2024

We need all of the allies we can get right now. And right now, the Cheneys are allies.

JohnSJ

(96,883 posts)
6. Go fuck yourself Charles Pierce. This isn't about rehabilitation of anyone,
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:12 AM
Oct 2024

it is about winning an election to save our democracy, and if you cannot understand that then you are an idiot.

Bev54

(11,948 posts)
27. Agree, the dems are trying their best to get republicans to stand up and do the right thing
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:19 PM
Oct 2024

for the life of the country. It may make for strange bedfellows but it is what is needed at this time. Most people know who the Cheneys are and if and when it is needed to remind the country of that, nobody is going to hesitate. I am surprised it is not the republicans writing this article not Charles Pierce.

PortTack

(34,919 posts)
34. Thank you! This is all out war. We would not have won WWII if not for a pact we made with the Stalin devil!
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:31 PM
Oct 2024

displacedvermoter

(3,352 posts)
69. Charles Pierce is as important a voice of
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:46 PM
Oct 2024

reason that we have. He has been articulating the danger facing our nation from these people since Dick Cheney first made his virulent nature known by being one of only a couple Congressional trolls to vote against Head Start.

He fully shares your concern, but thanks for it anyway.

JohnSJ

(96,883 posts)
85. I got it. We are 30 days from the general election and now is the perfect time to diss the republicans that are
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:31 PM
Oct 2024

endorsing VP Harris.

This is NOT extolling the "virtues" of Cheney, it is about winning the election by trying to get never trump republicans to vote for VP Harris. Is that too difficult to understand?

This is the guy who begrudgingly finally decided to vote for Hillary in the general election late in October 2016, but he was right out there with the republicans blasting Hillary on the so-called "email scandal". I wonder how many people he convinced with that backhanded endorsement to vote for Jill Stein in 2016.

You remember Jill Stein don't ya?

In every critical swing state she lost the election by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing states. It didn't take much.




Blaukraut

(5,929 posts)
114. I love Charlie Pierce but he is wrong here
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:58 PM
Oct 2024

We need the likes of the Cheneys to get us past the immediate danger of losing our democracy. Once we're in the clear, we can worry about the rest. When we can't distinguish between an honorable foe and a true enemy, we're lost.

FrankBooth

(1,816 posts)
142. Exactly. We're not fucking stupid
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 02:14 PM
Oct 2024

and know what Dick and Liz are at their core. But Dems need every ally they can get, however temporary, to win this election.

Fuck purity tests, they only help Trump and the right wingers.

JohnSJ

(96,883 posts)
11. Exactly. What is he suggesting that VP Harris refuse his endorsement?
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:19 AM
Oct 2024

He is an idiot looking for attention, and just maybe this crap he is pulling might make some never trump republicans reconsider voting for VP Harris.

If you cannot help the situation this close to the election then STFU.

JI7

(90,989 posts)
21. What does that even mean ? Why do people act like politics and elections are some personal religion ?
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:04 PM
Oct 2024

Cirsium

(1,215 posts)
31. Sell one's soul
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:28 PM
Oct 2024

Sell one's soul: to gain wealth, success, power, etc., by doing something bad or dishonest.

Rehabilitating the Cheneys reputation is bad.

JI7

(90,989 posts)
44. This fucked up mentality is what gave us Bush and Cheney in the first place
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:50 PM
Oct 2024

Some people are more concerned about the purity of people supporting a candidate than they are about possibility of Trump getting into office again.

Tryng to claim Kamala Harris is seeking her soul. Fuck this shit.

displacedvermoter

(3,352 posts)
74. He is pointing out that the Cheneys don't have much
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:59 PM
Oct 2024

of a soul themselves, and getting too attached to the idea that this is anything but a temporary alliance should be discounted.

And yeah, a degree of purity, or at least consistency, is pretty important..

JI7

(90,989 posts)
77. Who thinks it's anything more than that ? The endorsement itself
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:05 PM
Oct 2024

is being highlighted because they have differences.

Cirsium

(1,215 posts)
81. The author of the Esquire piece does
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:16 PM
Oct 2024

Charles P. Pierce: "Thursday's Nicolle Wallace show on MSNBC was an exaltation ceremony with Liz Cheney cast in a role somewhere between Joan of Arc and Wonder Woman."

Obviously there is a long standing split among Democrats between those who think "purity" hurts the party and those who think that playing footsie with the right wing hurts the party. You want unity in order to beat Trump? How about you start with dropping the old "purity" canard as a weapon against your fellow Democrats?

Are you suggesting that the Cheneys are welcome in the big tent, but your so-called "purist" Democrats are not?

JI7

(90,989 posts)
92. Thise demanding purity aren't Democrats. They are the trash that helped Bush Cheney win
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 03:30 PM
Oct 2024

and now they are hoping Trump wins.

Cirsium

(1,215 posts)
108. That is a problem
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:04 PM
Oct 2024

The following is not true, but it is as true as your statement:

"Those demanding compromise with right wing positions aren't Democrats. They are the trash that helped Bush Cheney win and now they are hoping Trump wins."

But the following probably is true:

Those who insist on attacking other Democrats over purity versus compromise - from either side - help the Republicans.

I you want to beat Trump why are you accusing Democrats with whom you disagree of not being Democrats and of being trash? You are calling or purging Democrats unless they agree with you. Who is really being the purist?

Focus your anger on the Republicans. I will do the same. Let's pull the same direction in this emergency.

JI7

(90,989 posts)
109. The lying trash that helped Bush and Cheney win becsuse Gore wasn't Pure enough stent Democrats
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:10 PM
Oct 2024

and you are proving it by tryng to imply they would not support Democrats if people aren't nice to them.

They aren't Democrats if they need to be convinced.



Cirsium

(1,215 posts)
112. Beg your pardon?
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:31 PM
Oct 2024

I am not trying to imply anyone would not support Democrats if people aren't nice to them.

Can't you direct this anger at Republicans for the next 30 days or so?

JI7

(90,989 posts)
113. My anger is towards those who have a problem with Kamala Harris tryng to win an election
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:51 PM
Oct 2024

And frauds like Tulsi Gabbard will be called out.

FrankBooth

(1,816 posts)
143. Yep. This 'selling your soul' talk is straight-up electoral idiocy
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 02:26 PM
Oct 2024

And anyone who spouts it is no better than the idiots who vote for Jill Stein. They should keep their fucking traps shut until the election is over, then they can bathe in their purity spa as much as they want. SMH.

cadoman

(997 posts)
130. people can change--if 10% or even 5% of the rethuglicans follow Cheney's lead, we win easily.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 12:21 AM
Oct 2024

We don't need to adopt their politics or even become friends with them. We temporarily unite to elect Kamala Harris for a better future for all of us.

Between the Bushes, the Cheneys, the Romneys, and others, the walls are very much closing in on TFG. Pair these defections with MAGATs dying left and right from COVID due to non-vaccination.

How many Republicans are even going to be left come election time? It's a dying party of division and hate.

Midnight Writer

(23,207 posts)
10. Save it until after the election. We have a common enemy to defeat. We can sort our differences after.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:18 AM
Oct 2024

I'm sure if we get past this national crisis we will again be cursing the Cheneys, the Lincoln Project, and all the other so-called "moderate" Republicans in short order. Just as they will be back to throwing rocks at our windows.

Right now we need all hands on deck.

Mz Pip

(27,947 posts)
12. If Liz Cheney can influence
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:20 AM
Oct 2024

just 1-2% of the vote, I’m happy to go along with giving her some props. We can go back to criticizing her positions after the election.

If I’m in car wreck I’m not going to turn away help because the guy who stopped is wearing a MAGA hat.

JHB

(37,489 posts)
18. Yup. Here's 2019 Liz praising Trump and accusing Democrats of murdering babies
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:42 AM
Oct 2024

If anyone needs to hand her accolades, there is such a thing as "participated" trophies. Trump is the mess that people like her made.

Skip to the 19 sec mark to where she starts talking about Democrats supporting the killing of babies, stating specifically that she wasn't talking about abortion, but the murder of already-born babies.

&list=PLBE1B5483E5AF0085

JI7

(90,989 posts)
23. This isn't about supporting Liz Cheney for President
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:06 PM
Oct 2024

it's about supporting Kamala Harris for president and getting all the votes we can including from those that have different positions on issues.

WhiteTara

(30,259 posts)
19. Nicole is still a republican/republicon in her heart
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:45 AM
Oct 2024

and she will never be free of that taint.

kacekwl

(7,684 posts)
20. If they can bring extra votes
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:58 AM
Oct 2024

great. But never forget who they are. Anything to destroy trump and the cult.

ShazzieB

(19,031 posts)
65. Who is suggesting we forget who they are?
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:32 PM
Oct 2024

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Who?

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That's right, nobody. You're preaching to the choir here.

EDITED TO ADD: That said, I welcome the support of anyone who wants to help keep TSF out of the White House. Doing so doesn't necessarily mean I think they are a perfect . I can embrace someone's support of Harris-Walz without endorsing their past or present stances on anything else.

angrychair

(9,941 posts)
107. Never
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:51 PM
Oct 2024

Will I ever praise their "courage" and their "sacrifice"

Fuck the Cheneys straight to hell. I will never kiss their ass or praise them and I don't like anything that is going on.
Should we start going to death row inmates and getting the support of murderers and rapists next?
Don't see the difference.

displacedvermoter

(3,352 posts)
111. Or his honesty
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:20 PM
Oct 2024

I have to say I gotta disagree with President Biden here.

He said something similar about McConnell at a big ribbon cutting ceremony a few years back, how when he gave his word you could count on it. I thought about how three Supreme Court justices got rammed through the Senate by that crook, and thought that Biden must have really had to hate having to say such bullshit.

ShazzieB

(19,031 posts)
124. I respect your position, but I don't think we're on exactly the same page.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 09:48 PM
Oct 2024

I added a p.s. to my post, in case I wasn't clear enough and gave anyone the wrong impression about where I stand.

peggysue2

(11,531 posts)
22. Strange times, strange bedfellows
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:05 PM
Oct 2024

We don't have to pile on the accolades (Joan of Arc, Wonder Women) to appreciate the support Liz Cheney has shown for defending our democracy and lending a hand in winning an Election for the Ages. If Liz and her father can give permission to any other conservative Republicans to join the fight, I'm all for it.

I don't have to like Liz Cheney or Darth Vader's political ideology to welcome their support in the moment.I don't have to like Rick Wilson or his history of supporting odious political candidates to recognize and appreciate that he and Resolute Square and the Lincoln Project have been fighting Trump where he lives.

I love Charles Pierce and his columns but I don't need Pierce or anyone else to tell me that what we're facing is existential in nature or that some comrades in the fight, people who are lending their shoulders, have been on the far-side of the moon politically.

This is not the time to question any of that because all energy or ink wasted in the pursuit of ideological purity is energy and ink not spent on defeating Donald J. Trump and his Flying Money Brigade.

Eyes on the Prize! Eyes on defending out future.

We can return to cat-brawling once we win. But right now?

Laser-focus is the only thing that counts.

WarGamer

(15,856 posts)
24. Best read of the day, thanks!
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:10 PM
Oct 2024

Disgusting that the Democratic Party celebrates the war criminal cabal...

What's next?

A Donald Rumsfeld Monument in DC?

JohnSJ

(96,883 posts)
86. Let me understand this. So because the Democrats are trying to get republicans to vote for Harris/Walz you think that
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:37 PM
Oct 2024

is bad?

That sounds a lot like the Jill Stein school of how to win elections.



JohnSJ

(96,883 posts)
106. Of course. As bad as this may sound winning is paramount. because the stakes are so high.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:36 PM
Oct 2024

betsuni

(27,343 posts)
26. It's called using people. Like joining a political party to run for office and the day after losing
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:17 PM
Oct 2024

dropping membership and saying, ewww yuck, I was never really a part of that gross party anyway.

Frances

(8,579 posts)
28. What a great help to Trump!
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:22 PM
Oct 2024

Take your eye off the ball
And wind up with a dictator worse than Dick Cheney
We should have this conversation AFTER the election

Jilly_in_VA

(11,222 posts)
29. I can't stand Dick Cheney
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:26 PM
Oct 2024

I've detested him ever since a few unpleasant encounters I had with him at UW-Madison in the 1960s. Liz, however, is a different matter. While I disagree with her on many things, I admire the fact that she has stood up for the Constitution and has resolutely stood agains the slobfather since 2020. So what if she was on his side previously? She had her eyes opened, as did many at some point (Kinzinger is another example). I can forgive her that at least. Whether I agree or disagree with her on other issues is moot right now. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

ecstatic

(34,561 posts)
35. Lol. We have 30 days. No time for this
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:33 PM
Oct 2024

Early voting has started in at least 20 states.

Stay focused!

Also, weren't the rallies filled with mostly republicans? I think they were the target audience, not us.

I can't even sleep through the night anymore, that's how worried I am about this election. I'm scared. We need every single hand on deck if we're going to beat our 2020 turnout of 81 million.

I don't know if the MSM is exaggerating or exposing only the most extreme people, but trump seems to be making inroads with people who should not be giving him a second look--he is drawing them in with grievance and divisive politics. Some of them are first-time voters!

Ana Navarro had a special on CNN where she spoke with Latinos, many of whom were for trump. There was a preacher who thought it was completely fine to tell his congregation that they need to vote for trump. There was a guy (I think a farm worker) who couldn't speak a word of English who claims he is voting for trump. Like how can that be?? Does he know he could be one of the people rounded up and tossed into an immigration camp, regardless of his legal status? How is it that I care more than he does?

evolves

(5,599 posts)
36. The enemy of my enemy
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:35 PM
Oct 2024

is not always my friend.

Look to their policies. They created this monster, and now (appear to) regret it.
That seems expedient for them.

I’ll take the swing voters they turn our way, but nothing more.

Hugin

(34,901 posts)
37. The most salient point here being...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:40 PM
Oct 2024

“… move along to appreciate the contributions of the people who have spent decades fighting the politics that.. (were brought into being, unchecked by the Republicans)



I consider myself among those who have been in the long fight. I have been deeply wounded and I demand a measure of respect and consideration going forward. No, I am not interested in revenge or retribution. I must insist on having a meaningful say in any reconciliation, however.

I congratulate the Cheneys (and a surprisingly robust number of others) who have been American enough to grab the life preserver rings that have been empathetically thrown to them. Also, I hear Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger’s calls for the rise of a healthy opposition democracy. Those days are in the way ahead, but after a thorough understanding of how things became the way they are and fixes are put in place to prevent a reoccurrence of the ugliness and hate.

mn9driver

(4,612 posts)
42. All true.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:48 PM
Oct 2024

The Republican Party has two wings: The Trump wing and the Right Wing Assclown wing. Both long for the destruction of America and the imposition of Oligarchy.

In terms of saving our democracy, the GOP cannot die off fast enough. It is no longer a legitimate political party.

Martin68

(24,786 posts)
43. I'm not "rehabbing" Liz Cheney. I'm just glad she gave credibility to the Jan 6th inquiry, and has been an endless
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:50 PM
Oct 2024

source of criticism of Donald Trump and his MAGA agenda. As for Dick, nothing could ever rehab that dick.

Skittles

(160,615 posts)
54. Liz was very much part of the effort that created Donald Trump
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:18 PM
Oct 2024

she's out for revenge, THAT IS ALL

ShazzieB

(19,031 posts)
73. I'm guessing you haven't read her book.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:57 PM
Oct 2024

Reading it did more than anything to convince me of what her true convictions are when it comes to Trump.

Whatever I disagree with her about (no doubt a sizeable list), she has taken a stand for the Constitution at a time when her party has nominated for potus a person who is hellbent on shredding it, burning it, and using a leaf blower to scatter the ashes until not a trace is left. I respect that, and I welcome whatever she can contribute to the effort to keep the Orange Hellbeast out of the White House.

My eyes are focused on the election right now. After we get Harris and Walz elected and inaugurated, we and the Republicans who helped us can retire to our respective corners and put our boxing gloves back on. Right now, we have more important things to worry about.

Martin68

(24,786 posts)
140. I haven't read Cheney's book, but it was her defense of the Constitution that gained her my respect.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:09 AM
Oct 2024

I know her political ideology is the opposite of mine in most respects, and I would never vote for her. But I do appreciate that she gave up her political career to fight MAGA based on principle, not greed or revenge.

Autumn

(46,792 posts)
138. If her Daddy or another Puke was subverting Democracy she would be fine with it.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:37 AM
Oct 2024

Trump is just white trash. Liz Cheney blocked any Jan6 scrutiny of Ginni Thomas. That's how much she cares about doing the right thing. Fuck her.

Takket

(22,695 posts)
48. our entire country, democracy itself is at stake
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:59 PM
Oct 2024

now really isn't the time to complain about the Cheneys.

if making nice with them for a few weeks sways even a 1000 people in a swing state to for for harris, that could be the difference between keeping our country and turning into Nazi Germany 2.0.

So, honestly, Pierce can shut up.

Botany

(72,770 posts)
50. Yes Dick lied us into an unneeded war and became a billionaire from it, helped w to cheat his
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:08 PM
Oct 2024

…. way to the Presidency, and is a no good shit but for now, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
And yes 1/4 of million of our G.I. have TBIs because of him too. Hopefully he dies soon but for now
I am good with Dick’s help in bringing on a Harris/Walz landslide.

Joinfortmill

(16,735 posts)
51. I hear you. It's an "Enemy of my enemy" thing. We do owe her a debt for standing against Trump.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:12 PM
Oct 2024

In It to Win It

(9,814 posts)
136. We'll call it even because I'm sure she supported and enabled Trump's dumbass in the first place.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 01:17 AM
Oct 2024

We don't owe Liz Cheney shit. She's making up for her previous fuck-up.

She's part of the reason we got 4 years of colossal mistake of a presidency. 1 term was too many for Trump.

Response to Hotler (Original post)

samnsara

(18,330 posts)
55. hey i will wear someones old cast off smelly sweaty shoes if thats the only way
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:19 PM
Oct 2024

..in can walk to where i NEED to go.

orwell

(8,002 posts)
56. I don't agree at all with Charles Pierce...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:20 PM
Oct 2024

...in this case.

"The perfect is the enemy of the good."

It takes great courage to do what Lynn Cheney has done. Sitting on the J6 committee, publicly rebuking Trump when many in her party refused to, even losing her seat over her convictions.

She is actually a moral conservative. She is not being a complete fraud like most of her party.

It is okay that we disagree on policy going forward. At least I know she actually believes in her world view instead of it being self aggrandizing performative Kabuki.

It is all hands on deck time. We need to welcome those that we disagree with for the greater good of ridding the world of true evil. This is not just Trump, this is a global takeover of democratic governance worldwide. Look at the right wing movements in Germany, France, Eastern Europe, Iran, and most of all Russia. These are not normal conservative movements, they are propaganda driven fascist movements. They are Opus Dei, religious fanatic, oligarchic capital driven takeovers.

These are not normal times. They require extraordinary sacrifice. We are facing extinction level choices here.

Thank you Lynn Cheney and all other principled Republicans who join our cause!

orwell

(8,002 posts)
103. Sorry...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:25 PM
Oct 2024

....brain fog from 100+ degree heat in October and fires in the area.

Welcome to endless climate change...

Seasider

(184 posts)
57. There'll be plenty of time to hate them after the election
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:21 PM
Oct 2024

But right now we need to defeat Trump and his band of racists and we’re gonna need all the votes we can get.

Iggo

(48,618 posts)
72. There's plenty of time now.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:54 PM
Oct 2024

Tell you what.

I’ll only hate her as much as she hates me.

Deal?

Skittles

(160,615 posts)
59. THANK YOU
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:23 PM
Oct 2024

accepting an endorsement is one thing - acting like this gal is the beacon of saving democracy is entirely another. She VERY MUCH helped to create Donald Fucking Trump and is solely out for revenge.

Response to Hotler (Original post)

people

(712 posts)
64. Peirce says he knows we now need all hands on deck . . .
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:32 PM
Oct 2024

But, Dick Cheney is HORRIBLE. Liz is to be admired very much for her work on the Jan 6 committee and her willingness to be voted out of office. If her views are as awful generally as they used to be then, she is, otherwise, yuck. Her father though is a horrible person although better that he's supporting Harris Walz (I guess). It makes me sick to look at him. How many Iraqi deaths did he facilitate to enrich Halliburton and himself? How many Americans remain totally screwed up from their physical and PTSD injuries in Iraq?

pspro

(7 posts)
66. OMG Pierce complainers. What you're saying he should say is literally what he said.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:36 PM
Oct 2024

Are people reading the whole article before they complain about CP?

"As I believe I've said a number of times, this is indeed an all-hands-on-deck moment. However, all-hands-on-deck does not mean all hands on the bridge. The Cheneys get a laurel and hardy handshake from me, and then I'll move along to appreciate the contributions of the people who have spent decades fighting the politics that a) made Trump not only possible, but inevitable, and b) that the Cheneys have represented for their entire public careers." (emphasis mine).

Also, Kamala is not a fool. She's super-sharp. She knows who she's dealing with. The country and world's survival is at stake so people will make alliances. Give her credit for a good enough memory to know how Dick/Liz Cheney voted their entire careers. Soon-to-be-President Kamala Harris is being strategic and will preserve her principles. She has not pivoted on any of her core issues while LC is campaigning with her.

We're putting on the grown folks pants, obviously, but it's important that Charles Pierce is prompting people's memories on these republicans even as he's acknowledging their value now. I see his comments as averting future attempts to memory-hole the Cheneys long-standing beliefs after all is said and done.

Oh and it's nice to be talking about republicans trying to rehabilitate their images for good rather than, like, trying to destroy the world so there's that...#SilverLinings

madaboutharry

(41,411 posts)
68. Charles P. Pierce can sit on his high horse all by himself.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:45 PM
Oct 2024

The pro-democracy tent needs to be a big one. If conservatives and republicans want to join this battle to save our republic from authoritarianism, they need to be welcomed.
Republicans who have joined with Harris are brave. They have sacrificed their political careers. They are getting death threats.
Most democrats hold a deep grudge against Dick Cheney, and I do too. But I will give the Cheney’s credit for defending democracy against the evil forces of MAGA.
Pierce is wrong.

displacedvermoter

(3,352 posts)
91. It's just that Dick Cheney is, always has been, a
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 03:21 PM
Oct 2024

big believer in authoritarianism, and come the defeat of Trump, he will sign right on to a more presentable version. Not sure what sort of democracy he is in favor of, perhaps the sort that stole the 2000 election.

madaboutharry

(41,411 posts)
98. People evolve.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:08 PM
Oct 2024

I am willing to remain open to the possibility that Dick Cheney is not as much an asshole as he was 20 years ago. Maybe having someone else's heart beating inside of him has made him see the world differently.
The only thing that should matter now is the battle before us and that is the defeat of Donald Trump once and for all.

Bleacher Creature

(11,463 posts)
70. Two things can be true at the same time.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:48 PM
Oct 2024

This is the biggest threat to American Democracy in any of our lifetimes, and I welcome anyone willing to put aside previous disagreements to defeat that threat. Liz and Dick Cheney deserve a ton of credit for being willing to do something while so many others in their party have cowardly refused to act.

- AND -

I continue to stand by every single previous disagreement I had with the Cheneys.

rso

(2,506 posts)
82. RSO
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:20 PM
Oct 2024

There’s nothing more important than for us to win this Election, I’ll take the help of anyone whose endorsement helps achieve this do or die moment for our democracy.

rso

(2,506 posts)
83. RSO
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:21 PM
Oct 2024

There’s nothing more important than for us to win this Election, I’ll take the help of anyone whose endorsement tends to assist us in this do or die moment for our democracy.

Montauk6

(8,797 posts)
94. I can dig the aisle reach across, within limits
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 03:41 PM
Oct 2024

I mean, if someone like Vance or Cotton were at the top of the ticket, would these "never Trumpers" be crossing over the way they are.

And I'll NEVER forget that, before Project 2025/MAGA, there were the Teabaggers, before the Teabaggers there PNAC/Neocons, before the PNAC/Neocons, there was Contract for America. All of these Republicans check in with the Heritage Foundation, and that goes WAYYY back.

Now if we're witnessing an organic turning over new leaves, then it's a beautiful thing. But my skeptic senses are on perpetual idling.

Persondem

(2,097 posts)
95. Not the time for this. There are dozens of more important issues to spend
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:01 PM
Oct 2024

Time and energy on.

returnee

(338 posts)
97. Totally agree.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:32 PM
Oct 2024

I also didn’t agree with the Obama’s rehabilitating W.
The Cheney’s are not stupid. I believe they were offended by heathen Trump and Jan 6 as a breach of political etiquette, and also saw the writing on the wall for Maga in the aftermath. I believe they saw the opportunity to resurge after the next Democratic administration and that there would not be another Democratic administration if Trump wins.
The OP’s mention of Liz’s voting record and Dick’s history is sufficient to justify serious cynicism.

awesomerwb1

(4,629 posts)
101. It's called a coalition you fucking idiot (Pierce).
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:12 PM
Oct 2024

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I despise the Cheneys, but if they help save the country, that's great. The Cheneys can go back under a rock after we win the election.

Response to Hotler (Original post)

Solly Mack

(93,281 posts)
115. Where in the article does it say Pierce said anything about rejecting either Cheney's vote?
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 08:08 PM
Oct 2024

It doesn't say that because he never once said that.

Getting mad about what he actually said is one thing but getting mad about what he didn't say doesn't make sense.

He never once said to reject their votes. Not once. He never even implied it.

He did voice criticism of praising either of them.

That's all he did.









Response to Solly Mack (Reply #115)

Solly Mack

(93,281 posts)
118. Where does it say he said to reject their votes? Answer that. And, Liz Cheney wouldn't reject that because she
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 08:43 PM
Oct 2024

agreed with him during the Bush years, so why would she reject the unitary executive now?

He said nothing, absolutely nothing, about cottoning to her if she had rejected the unitary executive.

What he did say was this:

If Liz Cheney had gotten up at the rally in Wisconsin and denounced Project 2025, or rejected the Unitary Executive doctrine, which has been her Daddy's chew-toy since he was covering for Iran-Contra, I'd have been truly impressed. If she had voted for, and not against, the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, while she was still in Congress, that would have been another gold star on her resume. If she had voted for, and not against, the Equality Act, that would have been another.


That he would be impressed.

Which is nothing like "cotton to her" if she rejected it.

He said he'd be impressed with the act of her doing it.

I've got the original Esquire article opened.

Response to Solly Mack (Reply #118)

Solly Mack

(93,281 posts)
120. But you got it wrong both times. Can't you admit it? How hard is it to admit that the man didn't say reject the votes
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 09:20 PM
Oct 2024

and that he didn't say he could "cotton" to her if she rejected the unitary executive doctrine?

People on this thread are angry over something the man never said.

And you were addressing me with your comment about the unitary executive since it was your reply to me asking me what you got wrong about it.

You don't have to like that he didn't enjoy the Nicole Wallace show where he felt Liz Cheney and her father were being rehabbed. In the article, it is obvious he was watching the Wallace show from the other day.

No one is required to like what he said.

But be angry with him over what he said.

Not over what he didn't say.

Read the thread.

Lot of people angry over something he never said.










Response to Solly Mack (Reply #120)

Solly Mack

(93,281 posts)
122. LMAO Thank you!
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 09:41 PM
Oct 2024

Then why did you bring up rejecting their votes?

Who suggested it?

Him?

Anyone on this thread?

Anyone at all?

The only sane option is to vote for Harris.

I hope all republicans not Trump crazy vote for Harris.

But I'm not going to sing their praises at all, and neither is Charles Pierce.

Which in no way means to reject anyone's vote for Harris.

I read what you wrote and changed too.

Response to Solly Mack (Reply #122)

Response to Solly Mack (Reply #128)

bigtree

(90,335 posts)
133. known you here for years and years
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 12:29 AM
Oct 2024

..just 'damn?'

Human being here.

Never mind, Solly Mack.

All the more the shame.

Solly Mack

(93,281 posts)
134. Stop it. No where in any of your replies does it even remotely suggest that you were in pain or
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 12:52 AM
Oct 2024

reaching out to me (or anyone else) , so stop pretending that was the case.

Stop behaving as if I was attacking you by asking you questions and disagreeing with you. Stop pretending I was dismissing your humanity ( "Human being here" ) by not showing compassion - for pain you didn't express.

Just stop.

We have known each other years on this board, and I enjoy reading your posts, but don't make me to be the villain in this exchange.







IcyPeas

(22,871 posts)
110. Liz Cheney, Mike Pence... once in a while they are on the right side and do or say....
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:20 PM
Oct 2024

something we agree on.

TheBlackAdder

(29,097 posts)
117. It's the Bootlicking Neo-Con you know vs. the Facist Totalitarian Sino-Russo Nazi you don't know.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 08:43 PM
Oct 2024

TommyT139

(778 posts)
126. Liz Cheney protected Ginni Thomas...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:15 PM
Oct 2024

...which arguably facilitated Clarence Thomas' votes in favor of Trump, every time.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/15/liz-cheney-ginni-thomas-january-6-investigation

Let's get through November, and January, and then get back to the business that Cheney interrupted.

JustAnotherGen

(33,909 posts)
139. I know their behavior
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:09 AM
Oct 2024

And history -

But right now we need their influence on Conservatives.

mucholderthandirt

(1,240 posts)
141. It's making me sick to be honest. It happens right on this site.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 12:53 PM
Oct 2024

And there's a thread about some of us who are speaking out about the love affair some are having with all the Republicans who are supposedly backing Harris.

You would think members here would know better. These people are using us. They will turn the minute Harris wins, because they will have gotten what they wanted: Trump defeated. In four years, they'll be all for whatever new horror they come up with.

I may not be long for this site over this, and not because I'll leave, or "step back for a while". So be it. I've lived too long to be fooled by those bastards. Fuck Republicans. Just fuck them. If the Dems go back to putting up stupid candidates (vote blue no matter who!), I'll just stay home and see how that works out. Frankly, some years there was no difference.

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