Susan Rice says Trump calls illegal

[Eliot Rosewater]

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4924145-susan-rice-trump-putin-logan-act/



I can assume Merrick Garland will be indicting Trump soon?

[krawhitham]

1. Unless you know the content of the calls they are not illegal

Two people can just call each other and talk about BS, yeah I know that is not what happened but prove it. Neither trump or putin are going to A) admit to the calls or B) tell us what they really talked about

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3. I'm sure Susan Rice would appreciate your legal guidance to her.

[krawhitham]

4. It's pretty Black and White

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953


Without knowing the content of the calls, please prove "intent to influence"

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5. Wouldn't that be up to a jury to decide if intent is proven?

Or have we just stopped even thinking about charging trump with anything at all?

[former9thward]

6. Then why was John Kerry not indicted?

He is mentioned in the article (by Rice) for talking to Iran during the Trump time.

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8. You would have to go back in time and ask someone there.

[former9thward]

10. No one needs to go back in time.

The career DOJ people are largely still there. The appointed people are not dead. But the point is the John Kerry example answers the question of why the DOJ is not going after anyone for the Logan Act. They know it is unconstitutional. Susan Rice is not a lawyer.

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11. I'm pretty sure the Kerry case is completely different from this case...

...even if the same la would apply.

As to "knowing" the Logan Act is unconstitutional, that seems to be a popular claim despite the fact it's never been challenged...

"There has been little judicial discussion of the constitutionality of the Logan Act. The U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York in Waldron v. British Petroleum Co., 231 F. Supp. 72 (S.D.N.Y. 1964), mentioned in passing that the Act was likely unconstitutional due to the vagueness of the terms "defeat" and "measures", but did not rule on the question."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act#Constitutionality

[krawhitham]

7. YES we should stop even thinking about charging trump with THIS BS, it's not enough to indict, not even remotely close

A) We can't prove the calls ever even happened, both sides say they didn't
B) We will never know the content of the calls, we can't even prove the calls happened

Woodward has NEVER and will NEVER give up a source

All you have is that someone told Woodward the calls happened, but that it HEAR SAY. Last time I checked HEAR SAY is still not admissible in court.

Indicting trump on some this weak would look EXACTLY like the witch hunt his always yelling about

Trump has done provable crimes, and has been indicted on many of them. Smith will win the appeal for the documents case, and if trump loses the election he will go to jail for a LONG time just on that one case. Plus he has 2-3 other cases that will send his ass to jail, IF HE LOSES the election

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9. And discussions about the many un-indicted crimes he continues to commit...

...will help him lose the election.

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. Putin is sending trolls to this board

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13. Certainly seems that way.

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. Personally I'm fucking furious about it

Like I'm fucking furious about those who have never been slapped in the face which is why they still go around lying about everything, I can't name them because I could get in trouble but the reason they continue to lie about everything and make fun of Women and in some cases attack them is because nobody ever slaps them.

When we see these disgusting pigs lying about something we need to go to social media and to our friends and show RAGE 😡

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2. HaHaHa! You said "merrick garland" and "indicting trump" in the same sentence!!!

Ohh,, that was a good one.

[madinmaryland]

15. Imagine if he had become a SCOTUS justice. Best buddies with Roberts?

[Eliot Rosewater]

16. It is all such madness. Never thought about that until this moment...sad.