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(5,633 posts)Perfectly observed and documented.
Wounded Bear
(60,410 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,633 posts)Yes we do.
liberalla
(9,864 posts)Succinct and accurate... and so easy to understand when distilled to this simple statement (quote).
Thank you.
wnylib
(24,038 posts)The narcissist gains power by blurring fact and lie until reality itself is blurred.
There are a lot of Psy-ops in Republican Politics........much more than the general population understands, or even recognizes....
LT Barclay
(2,700 posts)tricks crowd hiding in all aspects of the "intelligence" services that he said after WW2 CIA psy-ops have been turned domestically against the American public.
DENVERPOPS
(9,826 posts)I did not know that fact......
And the U.S. Media, which is almost exclusively owned/operated by Uber Rich Republicans or Republican Corporations, is guilty of using it in more than just slanting a story......A Danish Investigative Reporter showed me subtle examples in Cable news shows, Radio, and esp network news and all print media.....here in the U.S.
Showing a really portrait quality, filtered, air brushed picture of Trump, and a poor picture of Harris, or creating a picture of Obama four shades darker in skin color..... Also making descriptive wording dumbed down to not sound so bad........ie Psycopath vs Sociopath, Liar vs mis-statement, etc etc etc
Warpy
(113,040 posts)He gains it by telling morons they're special.
KS Toronado
(19,285 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:56 AM - Edit history (1)
Hitler would not have liked her!
Hannah was a female philosopher
FakeNoose
(35,276 posts)She has an interesting life story....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt
KS Toronado
(19,285 posts)Time for a 2nd cup of coffee.
c-rational
(2,841 posts)jaxexpat
(7,614 posts)soldierant
(7,754 posts)maybe even most, but it also brings out the best in some. Consider the White Rose Society. And people like MSgt Rodney Edmonds, an American soldier who posthumously received the CMOH and the title of righteous among the nations. (Posthumously not becaise he was killed in the war, but because he never spoke about it to anyone. His son discovered the incident in his journals after he ded.)
jaxexpat
(7,614 posts)War is an insult to the species. If it is a positive impulse in any way, the succession of peaceful diligence and respect for the generations is then a parody of civilization whose only purpose is it's own extinction. Lunacy and testosterone are creative elements? The suffering folks, eons of victims, look back from their nameless graves wondering if it was all that important, after all. The luminaries you reference would agree and condemn me for my reticence.
LT Barclay
(2,700 posts)why seemingly sane individuals would drop everything, risk their lives, their families, their crops and livlihoods to march hundreds of miles to pick a fight with their neighbors.
There has to be a better way. It makes me sick that the right wingers have made diplomacy a sign of weakness.
jaxexpat
(7,614 posts)LT Barclay
(2,700 posts)first it was a one time thing.
Second, it focused on the rights of the member, not the public. As a law-enforcement agency, I found this very problematic.
jfz9580m
(14,923 posts)Still have only read about half of it. It was so creepy back then with all the stories in the news about militia networks etc.
lastlib
(24,642 posts)Read as much of it as I could then. When I started to realize what tR*mp was, I started re-reading it. It's chilling how it nails The Felon. We need to thank our deities for Hannah Arendt.
jfz9580m
(14,923 posts)I put it away because it was frightening yet too horrifying to picture.
NNadir
(34,421 posts)I recall having some problems with Arendt's writings when I was going through them years back, although I cannot specifically recall what they were, it having been so long ago.
This said, my problems, such as they were, did not detract from my admiration of her work.
This is an excellent quote and evocation for these times, and I thank you for pointing to it.
Farmer-Rick
(11,155 posts)Religion attempts to do the same thing. They feed people ridiculous fantasy filled stories.
A talking snake, a burning bush that doesn't burn, a curse on a tree, healing people by touching them, a virgin pregnancy and birth, demons in pigs, bringing people back from the dead, using a few fish and loaves to feed crowds, turning water into wine.....and on and on the lies an impossibilities pile up.
If you believe all that then you can very easily believe a Nazi, threatening people who disagree with him, will make a great democratic leader.
erronis
(16,709 posts)LisaM
(28,418 posts)People were not expected to believe them and many religious people don't believe them now. It's Creationists and Fundamentalists who do.
Farmer-Rick
(11,155 posts)I wholeheartidly believed every word the nuns taught me in Catholic School.
Several times I thought I would die for accidentally touching the host. I had nightmares of Jesus bleeding, tortured, dying on the cross. It's a horrible story to tell children.
Anyway, I grew up, learned logic and what evidence was. If you don't believe all the mumbo-jumbo, are you really a believer?
soldierant
(7,754 posts)Some of the Bible is straight history, but it also contains high poetry, including love poetry, and a whole lot of allegory and parable. It also contains horrible examples, like the "cursing psalms." C. S, Lewis used to say "If you cannot understand a book which was written for adults..." I don;t remember exactly how he finished the sentence, but there are many ways to end it. My personal favorite is "maybe you shouldn't be talking about it."
lastlib
(24,642 posts)Tetrachloride
(8,391 posts)really annoyed.
birdographer
(2,472 posts)One of the key characteristics of the MAGA cult members is not that they are gullible, poorly educated, and incapable of critical thinking, it's that they very simply do not know the difference between right and wrong.
bucolic_frolic
(46,466 posts)She wrote several books, I think I read "On Freedom". Her works are filled with great quotes. Off the top of my head -
"Bureaucracy is the form of government in which everybody is deprived of political freedom, of the power to act; for the rule by Nobody is not no-rule, and where all are equally powerless we have a tyranny without a tyrant.
https://hac.bard.edu/amor-mundi/bureaucracy-and-violence-2017-10-08
Hannah Arendt Center for Politics and Humanities at Bard College
Wiz Imp
(1,282 posts)TommieMommy
(942 posts)iluvtennis
(20,699 posts)calimary
(83,890 posts)Amazing AND infuriating.
LisaM
(28,418 posts)Small wonder the tech overlords love it.
jfz9580m
(14,923 posts)You mean this Small Wonder?
Heh..I wonder if anyone other than me even remembers that show..
lame54
(36,579 posts)Who is ahead in this race
No clue whatsoever
dlk
(12,233 posts)Thank you for posting.
Ping Tung
(1,174 posts)Jim__
(14,409 posts)From a post by Roger Berkowitz:
"This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore. A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies. With such a people, you can do whatever you want." -Hannah Arendt
Ive received numerous emails in the last month asking for the provenance of this quotation. At first, I looked, since to be honest, the spirit of the quote is very much in line with Arendts own thought. But as far as I can tell, Hannah Arendt never said this or wrote this. She did, however, say many similar things. Which begs the question: Why would someone create a fake quotation when so many real ones express a similar viewpoint? And, does such an altered quotation matter?
To answer this question, it is important to first look at the quotations that likely serve as the source for the fake aphorism.
I found this while trying to find the larger context for the quote. Some similar quotatations are given at the site.
Martin68
(24,397 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:03 PM - Edit history (1)
of every single one of the country's institutions. They started by attacking the integrity of the election process, and then began spewing lies about every part of the local, state, and federal government when they did not perfectly align with MAGA goals.
slightlv
(4,138 posts)downgrade it and demean it to the point no critical thinking skills are taught anymore. Without the ability to think critically about subjects you lose the ability to tell right from wrong, truth from lies. The longer it goes on, the less likely you are to try to think in any way about something.
Start with the kids, and they pass on the ignorance from one generation to the next, aided and abetted by the public schools, which no longer teach the higher functions kids need to become genuine, thinking adults.
Martin68
(24,397 posts)Response to 634-5789 (Original post)
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Beartracks
(13,450 posts)MontanaMama
(23,950 posts)I was just on that foul Next Door app and the MAGAts are describing Dems as hateful, vengeance filled people. Boggles the mind.
Mr.Bill
(24,702 posts)about us are the same things we believe about them.
slightlv
(4,138 posts)Kid Berwyn
(17,628 posts)Hannah Arendt also wrote:
The goal of wholesale surveillance is not, in the end, to discover crimes, but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population. -- "The Origins of Totalitarianism"