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law-abiding citizens, but make it harder for criminals to obtain guns?
It seems that all the good ideas to fight gun-related problems only hurts those who obtain guns legally..
Is there any way possible to make it harder for criminals to obtain guns that the government doesn't know they have?
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JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,593 posts)Decriminalizing drugs would put a lot of criminals out of work, so demand might drop.
But as long as there's a demand for guns, someone will supply them.
Simple economics.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Only out and out legalization and regulation of legitimate sources of supply will do that.
former-republican
(2,163 posts)It's like asking how can we make it harder for criminals to commit murder , rape , arson , theft
Criminals by the very definition are criminals.
What we could do is try to make a country where the young children don't have to resort to crime.
By giving a good education , making inner cites more prosperous by jobs that make a living wage.
We have to look to the future of our young.
The people you are talking about are mostly already lost.
It's very hard , not impossible but very hard to convince someone who is involved in the criminal , gang life style to change.
That's just the way it is.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I understand some folks have a hard time venturing out without one. But, jeez why not make a sacrifice for society and leave the things at home (and even then, don't acquire too many).
If there were less guns, it would be harder for criminals to get them (and less likely a previously "law-abiding" gun owner suddenly breaks the law with it).
Also, if so-called responsible gun owners wouldn't leave them around for someone to steal, or sell them to anyone with a fist full of cash without a background check, we'd be better off. Finally, we'll be better off if we'd work on changing the perception of guns in our society and quit promoting more and more of them and laxer gun laws that encourage the Zimmerman's of the world to shoot innocent people.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Close the gun show loophole and require background checks for private sales.
Aristus
(67,101 posts)The people back when B*sh was ordering wipe-tapping without warrants, and were saying "That's okay; I ain't doin' nothing wrong", are the same people who would no doubt oppose a measure like ammunition tracking. But the principle is the same. if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
former-republican
(2,163 posts)Just like illegal drugs or prescription drugs.
We could open up the NICS check for all private gun sales.
There is absolutely no reason why a private individual shouldn't be able to do the same check a FFL dealer has to perform
when selling a firearm.
billh58
(6,637 posts)citizens need to carry guns in the first place? Why does anyone need to carry a fucking gun in public? Criminals have fucking guns because they buy them from "law abiding" citizens on the Internet, or on the street corner.
You RKBA types advocate what amounts to a fucking arms race with criminals, when you already have them outnumbered. The real answer is to get ALL fucking guns out of the public venue, and those who need to feel all warm and fuzzy about having an inanimate object of death can keep them at home.
A 5-4 decision by a right-wing SCOTUS is not a reason to celebrate, but to grieve for our nation.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)justanidea
(291 posts)49 (soon to be 50) states have it and it's caused no issues.
The number of instances where concealed carrier permit holders have went and committed crime are practically zero. We know that from the states that keep stats on it. For example, Texas publishes an annual report. They have well over 500,000 permit holders and each year about 90-100 total crimes are committed by them. And a lot of those crimes don't even involve firearms.
The fact its people with carry permits are not the problem. Not when far less than one tenth of one percent are abusing the right to carry.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I think it's fine to own one here as long as you keep them locked up.
jody
(26,624 posts)totalitarian government could enforce those laws.
While we are abolishing RKBA we may as well abolish all the other enumerated and unenumerated rights as well.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts).. no matter what sort of possible sane idea someone puts forth to curb gun violence, the gunfreakos still go nuts and have a "reason" that it can't even be tried.
It's just like all fetishes, ANYTHING that come near is a threat.
You best not try to separate them from their "precious."
Bucky
(54,680 posts)We're not criminals. Not yet.
REP
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