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underoath

(269 posts)
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:34 PM Dec 2012

Does anyone out there feel there is a way to keep gun right for those who are responsible

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law-abiding citizens, but make it harder for criminals to obtain guns?

It seems that all the good ideas to fight gun-related problems only hurts those who obtain guns legally..

Is there any way possible to make it harder for criminals to obtain guns that the government doesn't know they have?

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Does anyone out there feel there is a way to keep gun right for those who are responsible (Original Post) underoath Dec 2012 OP
No. As long as crime exists, criminals will arm themselves JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #1
Decriminalization will do nothing to get criminals out of the drug distribution business Fumesucker Dec 2012 #5
No way former-republican Dec 2012 #2
Sanest response in the thread. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #15
I don't really see how prohibiting guns on the street "hurts" anyone. Hoyt Dec 2012 #3
Background checks for all gun sales SecularMotion Dec 2012 #4
Register and track ammunition sales. Aristus Dec 2012 #6
That wouldn't do anything but create a black market for ammo sales former-republican Dec 2012 #8
Why do law abiding billh58 Dec 2012 #7
+1000000000000000000 Hoyt Dec 2012 #10
What reason is there to ban concealed carry? justanidea Dec 2012 #16
Massachusetts has pretty strict gun regs Marrah_G Dec 2012 #9
Laws already prohibit a criminal from possessing a firearm but criminals ignore them. IMO only a jody Dec 2012 #11
Obama isn't going to take away guns. nt Mnemosyne Dec 2012 #12
Ever notice that ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #13
I have one because my girlfriend has one and sometimes we argue. She scares me. Bucky Dec 2012 #14
Locking REP Dec 2012 #17

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,432 posts)
1. No. As long as crime exists, criminals will arm themselves
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:42 PM
Dec 2012

Decriminalizing drugs would put a lot of criminals out of work, so demand might drop.

But as long as there's a demand for guns, someone will supply them.

Simple economics.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. Decriminalization will do nothing to get criminals out of the drug distribution business
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:00 PM
Dec 2012

Only out and out legalization and regulation of legitimate sources of supply will do that.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
2. No way
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:45 PM
Dec 2012

It's like asking how can we make it harder for criminals to commit murder , rape , arson , theft

Criminals by the very definition are criminals.

What we could do is try to make a country where the young children don't have to resort to crime.
By giving a good education , making inner cites more prosperous by jobs that make a living wage.

We have to look to the future of our young.

The people you are talking about are mostly already lost.

It's very hard , not impossible but very hard to convince someone who is involved in the criminal , gang life style to change.

That's just the way it is.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
15. Sanest response in the thread. (nt)
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:57 PM
Dec 2012
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. I don't really see how prohibiting guns on the street "hurts" anyone.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:52 PM
Dec 2012

I understand some folks have a hard time venturing out without one. But, jeez why not make a sacrifice for society and leave the things at home (and even then, don't acquire too many).

If there were less guns, it would be harder for criminals to get them (and less likely a previously "law-abiding" gun owner suddenly breaks the law with it).

Also, if so-called responsible gun owners wouldn't leave them around for someone to steal, or sell them to anyone with a fist full of cash without a background check, we'd be better off. Finally, we'll be better off if we'd work on changing the perception of guns in our society and quit promoting more and more of them and laxer gun laws that encourage the Zimmerman's of the world to shoot innocent people.
 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
4. Background checks for all gun sales
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:57 PM
Dec 2012

Close the gun show loophole and require background checks for private sales.

Aristus

(66,650 posts)
6. Register and track ammunition sales.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:04 PM
Dec 2012

The people back when B*sh was ordering wipe-tapping without warrants, and were saying "That's okay; I ain't doin' nothing wrong", are the same people who would no doubt oppose a measure like ammunition tracking. But the principle is the same. if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
8. That wouldn't do anything but create a black market for ammo sales
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:08 PM
Dec 2012

Just like illegal drugs or prescription drugs.

We could open up the NICS check for all private gun sales.
There is absolutely no reason why a private individual shouldn't be able to do the same check a FFL dealer has to perform
when selling a firearm.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
7. Why do law abiding
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:04 PM
Dec 2012

citizens need to carry guns in the first place? Why does anyone need to carry a fucking gun in public? Criminals have fucking guns because they buy them from "law abiding" citizens on the Internet, or on the street corner.

You RKBA types advocate what amounts to a fucking arms race with criminals, when you already have them outnumbered. The real answer is to get ALL fucking guns out of the public venue, and those who need to feel all warm and fuzzy about having an inanimate object of death can keep them at home.

A 5-4 decision by a right-wing SCOTUS is not a reason to celebrate, but to grieve for our nation.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. +1000000000000000000
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:14 PM
Dec 2012
 

justanidea

(291 posts)
16. What reason is there to ban concealed carry?
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:09 PM
Dec 2012

49 (soon to be 50) states have it and it's caused no issues.

The number of instances where concealed carrier permit holders have went and committed crime are practically zero. We know that from the states that keep stats on it. For example, Texas publishes an annual report. They have well over 500,000 permit holders and each year about 90-100 total crimes are committed by them. And a lot of those crimes don't even involve firearms.

The fact its people with carry permits are not the problem. Not when far less than one tenth of one percent are abusing the right to carry.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
9. Massachusetts has pretty strict gun regs
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:10 PM
Dec 2012

I think it's fine to own one here as long as you keep them locked up.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
11. Laws already prohibit a criminal from possessing a firearm but criminals ignore them. IMO only a
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:25 PM
Dec 2012

totalitarian government could enforce those laws.

While we are abolishing RKBA we may as well abolish all the other enumerated and unenumerated rights as well.

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
12. Obama isn't going to take away guns. nt
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:41 PM
Dec 2012

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
13. Ever notice that ...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:51 PM
Dec 2012

.. no matter what sort of possible sane idea someone puts forth to curb gun violence, the gunfreakos still go nuts and have a "reason" that it can't even be tried.

It's just like all fetishes, ANYTHING that come near is a threat.

You best not try to separate them from their "precious."

Bucky

(54,162 posts)
14. I have one because my girlfriend has one and sometimes we argue. She scares me.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:55 PM
Dec 2012

We're not criminals. Not yet.

REP

(21,691 posts)
17. Locking
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:24 PM
Dec 2012

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