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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:57 AM

 

John Birch Society Lauds New Sibel Edmonds Book


http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/books/item/13807-sibel-edmonds-classified-woman

The point that Rush and Fox didn't come to her aid is true. As always the "leftists" did. They thought they could control her. Ms. Edmonds is, in spite of that, very much aligned with us, those who consider themselves Constitutionalists and who believe in Liberty.


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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:06 AM

1. This thread won't end well.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:09 AM

2. That fact is not in itself an indictment of her or her book. nt

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:09 AM

3. Jeez, and Ho Chi Minh praised Jefferson's writings. Does that make TJ bad?

Guilt by association, Enemy of my enemy, and all that. Character assassination.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:11 AM

4. jbs is anti-US-gov't. they'll "support" anything that

furthers their agenda; "The ends justify the means."

No tinfoil required. they have despicable "values" and will exploit whomever or whatever they need to in order to promote their "values."

Had this book come out during the bush years, I imagine jbs would have been noticeably silent. I also predict they'll use this book to go after this administration. The timing works for them.

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Response to Cerridwen (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:37 PM

10. Yes. they've been pushing it extensively to smear Obama, as shown my post below.

It's being used to whip up 'Patriot' fervor and to demoralize and divide Democrats. And there is Koch influence and money at work in all of this.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:14 AM

5. You're quoting from a comment, not the article. Foul-ball, jberryhill. Misleading. What say you?

Here's the comment:

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Comment Link GEORGE B. MARTIN Thursday, 13 December 2012 17:08 posted by GEORGE B. MARTIN

The point that Rush and Fox didn't come to her aid is true. As always the "leftists" did. They thought they could control her. Ms. Edmonds is, in spite of that, very much aligned with us, those who consider themselves Constitutionalists and who believe in Liberty. Her latest podcast demonstrates that she is wise to even her closest "friends". Her podcasts show she is wise to the control.

Too bad JBS didn't support her. And what of the other whistleblowers? They are exposing corruption and tyranny and not much of a peep out of our side.

If it wasn’t for Democracy Now and the RT chicks there would be little coverage of the whistleblowers. Dem Now and RT are then able to direct the narrative in a collectivist direction.

We should have embraced Ms. Edmonds. We should be at the front of the line to support these folks and direct the narrative to liberty not collectivism.

Ms. Edmonds posts Lew Rockwell and Tom Woods links on her site. And, she was very supportive of Ron Paul.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:37 AM

6. Is the guy a Bircher? Is he lauding the book?

 


If I wanted to be misleading, I wouldn't have posted the link.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:37 AM

7. Appears to be a gray area is not as gray as it once was. Quick google found:

An photograph of the elegant Sibel:



Take a look:

http://www.justacitizen.com/

That links to her primary webpage:

http://www.classifiedwoman.com/

That links to RT, Alex Jones, youtube videos and quotes. Which agrees with the quote above:

Ms. Edmonds is, in spite of that, very much aligned with us, those who consider themselves Constitutionalists and who believe in Liberty.

The videos appear to be more suited to the Bush administration than now; titles listed include:

The Government Is Raping You: Sibel Edmonds


Sibel Edmonds: US government needs to keep the fear factor alive

RT Video: Steve Kohn on Sibel Edmonds’ Book & Obama’s Persecution-Prosecution of Government Whistleblowers

And posted way back in 2006:

Sibel Edmonds PEN Newman Award


Your link in the OP that led to the comment so that is not linked properly. But a quick google found the comment to be true and I found these youtube videos, which I will only post titles and not the videos themselves:

Sibel Edmonds on Lew Rockwell Show (8-21-12)

911 Truth Sibel Edmonds.mov

Sibel and Dawson 911, Ron Paul, Media, Obama, Israel, tune in!


Weird comment on that last one. No, I won't watch it, but it is Paul Ryan?:

By associating with Ryan, i believe Sibel is hinting at what she's not allowed to say. Good girl.

She does an interview availalbe with Tom Woods on his Ludwig Von Mises, Libertarian website:

http://www.peterbcollins.com/2011/04/22/boiling-frogs-libertarian-dr-tom-woods/

So Edmonds IS now with the Patriot Movement, and has likely gone full wingnut:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/patriot-movememnt

Those are the Ron Paul, Libertarian sources, which seem to have aligned with parts of the Left and Occupy. They have transferred the crimes of the Bush administration to Obama, and morphed their fear of black helicopters to fear of domestic drones. Jones has posted a video of training his followers to shoot down drones.

Jones had the head of the John Birch Society on his show, a Koch founded group. He is a racist, supports the anti-choice, pro-theocracy Ron Paul Teabaggers, Libertarians and Texas Secessionists.

He opposes public schools, police, unions, liberals, Democrats, progressives and a social safety net. Jones says the NRA is front for the government to confiscate guns and promotes a more radical gun group, which might surprise the NRA haters, huh, if they believe him. He appears to be against wars abroad, but seems to be promoting one at home.

There is a DU group popular with DUers by approval of the Admins, so it's not CT:

Sibel Edmonds and Other Whistleblowers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1023

You may want to cross post and let the experts on Sibel Edmonds discuss this. I don't care about it anymore, it's like arguing religion to me. Sorry for such a long post, but I was intrigued at the gray area here at DU, and the continuing interest in Sibel Edmonds. I thought the group would be defunct by now, but it is lively. I wanted to find a few things for myself so that's all I've got to say.


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Response to freshwest (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:24 PM

8. Not sure what you mean by "not linked properly"

 


Leveymg makes the same comment above, and maybe there is something I don't get. I find the comments there to be interesting, so I posted with "Birchers Laud..." My observation was ABOUT the comments.

Secondly, I find it weird that several folks apparently think this is some kind of comment on Edmonds - i.e. suggesting she is a Bircher. Again I'm surprised. I posted the comment by a Bircher who apparently thinks she's one of them, along with a tinfoil hat icon as my comment on that guy's comment.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:34 PM

9. My comment on the link is about continuity. The OP doesn't say, 'this is a comment on a review.'

Your OP is not quoting the article itself, but a comment which led to some interesting results, and your take on it seems to make a conclusion that the review linked to does not make.

On investigation, I found the comment and your conclusion very likely true, as you see by my post. She has joined the Patriot Movement, which is closely allied with the Birchers. It does not mean that she has joined them officially nor that the JBS is official endorsing her book.

There is no direct review of the book by the JBS itself, though. I hope that explains my opinion as to the link, as I appreciated the mental exercise, and don't mean to cause you offense.

Here's one link with several stories on JBS and their resurgence with the CT movement:

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?s=John+Birch+Societ&submit=

The official JBS links are here to verify how close their ideology is to the GOP, Paulites, etc:

http://www.jbs.org/

http://www.reformed-theology.org/jbs/index.html

I enjoyed piecing some of this together. It shows how far and wide the rightwing infiltration is. I'm very glad that you posted this.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:55 PM

11. Invasion of the body snatchers

 

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:10 PM

12. Don't Pigeonhole Her

Her longest collaborative relationship is with Peter B. Collins who is undoubtedly a progressive. And I don't think she would have much in common with libertarian think-tank supporters like the Koch Brothers.

She seems to be first and foremost supportive of critics of the national security state, so mainstream Democrats and Republicans will not be her cup of tea. She does not personally speak much about economics or neoliberalism and such, so it is not really honest to try and ascribe to her a whole collection of views that she does not regularly espouse.

On her radio show with Pert B. Collins, she has interviewed more people from the Left side of the spectrum than from the libertarian right, e.g. Peter Phillips, Russ Baker, Nafeez Ahmed, etc. She also interviewed Lew Rockwell so obviously I cannot claim that she is a full-on progressive. I personally think that she is not very knowledgeable about political economy so she doesn't take any doctrinaire positions on these issues. For example, if she studied a little bit, she could easily formulate a critique of neoliberalism that jives with what she knows about the dark side of the national security state. After all, neoliberalism as we know it was first instituted in Chile thanks to a CIA coup. And yes, neoliberalism with its privatization and deregulation is but a tiny bit away from libertarianism.

I have read her book and I recommend it. She is very smart and courageous.

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