Why Trump won.

[Botany]

He cheated. End of story.

[Kali999]

1. ha

I wasn't going to click because exactly right. And I will never believe anything else.

[sop]

2. I find it impossible to believe there are so many ignorant, hateful Americans out there. Trump must have cheated.

Then again, maybe I've underestimated their numbers.

[Botany]

3. "They" were into the vote data exactly how I don't know but "they" were.

One thing that jumped out @ me was Trump winning the Native American vote. Please!
Nobody has done more for the Native Peoples than Joe Biden.

[sop]

5. Inevitably, Trump will start bragging about his "little secret" to win the election before long.

Trump can't keep his ugly anus mouth shut, he'll take complete credit for stealing the election: "It was the biggest stolen election anyone's ever seen...believe me!"

[CincyDem]

57. I don't think his secret with Johnson was about the election.

I think it’s about how he gets his insane cabinet choices via recess appointments.

[returnee]

67. Don't think so.

The house has nothing to do with Cabinet nominations.

[CincyDem]

85. Right...but the house can create the circumstances that allow Trump to declare congress in recess.

Then…recess appointments left, right and center.

[Wiz Imp]

7. No offense, but there is no hard evidence that Trump won the Native American vote

That "fact" came from exit polls, not counting votes. But the exit poll sample for Native Americans has to be extremely small meaning the margin of error is likely extremely high.

Think about it. If he won the Native American vote because he cheated, then that means he had to fix the exit polls to reflect that as well. How exactly would that work?

I don't begrudge anyone who feels that Trump won by cheating, but "winning the Native American vote" is not in any way evidence that it happened.

[NJCher]

16. Ok now

Account for the Amish.

[Wiz Imp]

27. ?? I have no idea what you are asking about ??

[NJCher]

36. snip

There are only 43k Amish people in Lancaster County all together. Let alone 80k who can vote. There's also only an estimated 92k Amish in the entire state of Pennsylvannia.

Lancaster County is home to the oldest (founded circa 1760) and largest Amish community in the world, with an estimated population of 43,640 Amish people in 250+ congregations (as of 2024). The Lancaster County community includes many congregations located in neighboring counties, including Chester, Berks, and Cecil County, Maryland.

snip

link to info on Amish

[DiamondShark]

38. Shocker, conservatives voted for the GOP candidate.

This isn't bizarro world, the GOP were able to depress (D) voters across the country. Either by voter registration purges, or by phone and text messages targeted at liberals.

I was targeted by the GOP through text message push polls and targeted messages. They attempted to keep me from voting for Harris. They failed I voted for Harris/Walz.

[DiamondShark]

70. Amish are conservative. They voted for the so called conservative candidate.

[Wiz Imp]

40. I still have no idea what you are asking.

The Amish have a long history of supporting Republicans. There is no evidence that they voted in greater numbers in this election than they have in the past. SO what is the issue?

[NJCher]

41. account for it mathematically

Otherwise I have no reason to assume you're anything but a bot.

[Wiz Imp]

50. Account for what?

You posted stats about the number of Amish people in PA and Lancaster Counter. What the hell does that have to do with the election? You haven't even stated any kind of accusation of wrongdoing. Apparently, you think that the mere existence of Amish people in PA means that Trump cheated. How you come to such a conclusion is a mystery to me.

[mopinko]

26. no. the precincts on the rez have known vote totals.

maybe in the 1st couple days it was just exit polls, but those number r known now.

[Wiz Imp]

28. And you have all those numbers? How about showing them or at least linking to them?

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/polls-suggest-that-native-americans-voted-for-trump-the-truth-may-be-more-complex

https://nativenewsonline.net/opinion/getting-the-native-vote-right-the-national-media-should-not-rely-on-self-identified-wannabes

This is an important point. When Native News Online reporters collected election results after the November 5 election, they found that Native Americans living on or near tribal land voted overwhelmingly for Harris.

Among their findings were the following:

On the Red Lake Indian Reservation in northern Minnesota, 92% of voters cast their ballots for Kamala Harris.
On the Menominee Indian Reservation in Wisconsin, 80% voted for Harris.
In Apache County, Arizona, where the Navajo Nation accounts for two-thirds of the population, 58% voted for Harris compared to 39% for Trump.

Clearly, the NBC exit poll was misinformation. A more thorough effort would have provided their researchers with better data.

[mopinko]

49. i wasnt arguing about how they voted, just pointing out that it's known.

so, yeah, anyone leaning on exit polls is likely lying.

[Wiz Imp]

52. But that was my point.

The talking point that Trump won the NAtive American vote was 100% based solely on a bogus NBC exit poll.

[mopinko]

55. and therefore, a lie.

i wasnt arguing.

[Wiz Imp]

61. Huh? Whatever. Thanks.

[questionseverything]

82. Apache County couldn't get their electronic poll books to work

People waited for hours to vote before giving up

I was really disappointed at the time Elias didn’t seem to do anything to help

[H2O Man]

62. I'm surprised

that people don't understand the Native American vote.

[returnee]

69. Each voting machine needs software installed for each election.

Installing malicious software. That’s how I think he did it. I think lot’s of people involved.

[Wiz Imp]

72. Excuse me, but what the hell does this have to do with the false

assertion that Trump won the Native American Vote? That is the post you responded to.

[returnee]

79. If I misunderstood you, I'm sorry.

As far as I know, the only “hard evidence” evidence of anyone winning anything would come from one of to places: the official count in particular localities, and exit polls (and only if you trust the poll in question). Over quite a few elections now I’ve become suspicious of all polls. But as far as I know, official bodies trying to determine if an election has been fairly conducted will compare the official count to exit polls. If they’re off by enough, something is thought to be amiss.

So, who is saying Trump won the Native American vote? Whatever source of evidence they are using, the other source has to called into question.

I suspect in this election that official counts are likely to be wrong, and gave my supposition as to how that happened. I thought was relevant. Maybe not.

[Wiz Imp]

80. Here's an example of reporting that Trump won the Native American vote

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-most-pro-trump-racial-demographic-in-2024-was-american-indians/

The Most Pro-Trump Racial Demographic in 2024 Was . . . American Indians

But this story was accepting the results of an NBC exit poll that was total BS

This Native American Publication explains the problem with the exit poll and what some of the actual data looked like:

https://nativenewsonline.net/opinion/getting-the-native-vote-right-the-national-media-should-not-rely-on-self-identified-wannabes

This is an important point. When Native News Online reporters collected election results after the November 5 election, they found that Native Americans living on or near tribal land voted overwhelmingly for Harris.

Among their findings were the following:

On the Red Lake Indian Reservation in northern Minnesota, 92% of voters cast their ballots for Kamala Harris.
On the Menominee Indian Reservation in Wisconsin, 80% voted for Harris.
In Apache County, Arizona, where the Navajo Nation accounts for two-thirds of the population, 58% voted for Harris compared to 39% for Trump.

Clearly, the NBC exit poll was misinformation. A more thorough effort would have provided their researchers with better data.

I'm not going to argue about the actual results from Native Americans because those numbers are not actually known yet (or at least not published). However, I highly doubt that there was any "questionable" results reported from voting precincts on Tribal Lands. The big problem with the NBC Exit poll was it was not conducted at any location on Tribal lands and only asked people if they self identified as Native American.

[Celerity]

99. Native News Online Post-Election Survey Shows Trump-Harris Split, Reservation Divide

https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/native-news-online-post-election-survey-shows-trump-harris-split-reservation-divide



Native Vote 2024. Native News Online released the results of a survey detailing Native American voting patterns in the 2024 presidential election. The poll, conducted Nov. 7-13, showed Donald Trump received 51% of Native American votes in the presidential election, while Kamala Harris garnered 45% of the votes, according to the survey of 865 American Indians, Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiians. The post-election poll was one of four national surveys of Native American voters conducted during the election cycle by Native News Online in collaboration with Northwestern University Medill School of Journalism and national survey firm Qualtrics. The results of the most recent poll closely mirror the overall population, where Trump received 50% of the vote to Harris’s 48%, according to the New York Times as of Friday, Nov. 15.

The findings contradict an Edison Research exit poll for NBC News on Election Day that showed 65% of Native Americans voted for Donald Trump. Earlier this week, the Indigenous Journalist Association (IJA) called NBC’s exit poll “highly misleading and irresponsible.” “American Indians only represent 1 percent of the total voters surveyed, meaning that a few hundred self-identifying respondents are being used to represent the diverse interests of millions of Indigenous people across the country. None of the exit poll locations, for example, were on tribal land,” the IJA said in a statement. The IJA statement noted that the NBC poll contributed to widespread misinformation about Indigenous voter preferences, calling it “another example of how ill-equipped many news outlets are to cover Indigenous communities.”

Traditional polling methods often struggle to capture Native American voters, according to Native News Online Editor and Publisher Levi Rickert. Collecting data and research among Native Americans is challenging because people often self-identify as being Native even when they only have traces of Native American ancestry, Rickert added. “A common response is that they heard their great-great grandmother was an Indian princess. Frankly, we didn’t want to count that group’s votes. We wanted to ensure our respondents were either enrolled members or had direct ties to Native communities.” The survey methodology addressed this challenge through collaborations with Northwestern and Qualtrics, which used specialized techniques to reach Native voters both on and off reservations. The polling team verified tribal affiliations and connections as part of the validation process.

Survey Demographics, Findings

The goal of the survey was to reach a cross-section of Native American voters with responses from tribal members and descendants living both on and off reservations throughout Indian Country. The survey demographics showed:

50% of the participants were female; 48% male and 2% other;

51% of the participants were enrolled in federally recognized tribes; 49% of the participants were descendants;

Approximately 147 different American Indian tribes were represented by the participants;

31% of participants said they were Democrats, 28% marked Republican, 27% said they were Independent; the 6% rounded out others.

snip

[kentuck]

8. For me, AZ is a good example.

Last edited Fri Nov 29, 2024, 02:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Kari Lake would have gotten the same amount of votes as Trump, or very nearly, and she lost to Ruben Gallego.


Same in NC. Democrats won almost every big race in the state except one. Something looks fishy on its face.

I agree with you. It is not in his DNA to not cheat. We just don't know "how" he did it at this time.
But my guess is that Elon Musk was somehow involved?

[jimfields33]

9. Nope.

Many Republicans can’t stand lake in Arizona. She’s lost twice. Maybe she’ll get the hint. Even McConnell didn’t give her money from the senate campaign fund.

[EdmondDantes_]

24. So the evidence that he cheated is that he didn't get the same vote as other races

So by that logic, obviously Biden cheated in 2020 since he ran ahead of Democratic house candidates right?

[Meadowoak]

30. wrong. Trump supposedly won in all 7 swing states, with the down ballot races all going for the democrats.

sorry, people just don't vote that way. those were straight ticket democratic votes, that Elon Musk somehow flipped for Trump, People just don't split a ticket like than, not in large numbers anyway.
2020, yes a lot of people voted for Biden, and didn't bother with the down races, that happens in every election.

[EdmondDantes_]

35. This is a fantasy

There is no evidence that this happened other than your absolute certainty that it did. You haven't even attempted to explain how other than magic.

[Fla_Democrat]

60. NC is the easiest one to understand.

After Michael, I get it.

[JHB]

25. After 40-50 years of having their hate and greivances and ignornace catered to and fed...

...by conservative media and Republican politicians and right-wing religious leaders, with no real counterbalance, it's not only possible, but to our detriment, demonstrated as a fact to be true.

[elleng]

77. Different reason(s), imo,

dissatisfaction w their lives, so hoping for change. (briefly.)

[mnmoderatedem]

4. to me it's is hatred of immigrants that are his appeal among reublicans

legal or illegal doesn't matter. He hates all immigrants (except Melania of course, maybe even her). This hate resonates so well with the republican base that they chose him over Haley, Desantis, etc, who share similar policy but have nowhere near the baggage.

I would have thought Mar a Lago documents case would have been the final straw, but once again, I overestimated the republican base voters.

[Jspur]

74. Correction he hates non-white immigrants

but is very welcoming to white immigrants.

[enigmania]

6. I was astounded by

the role that base misogyny played.

[LakeVermilion]

10. Did the obstacles to voting make any difference?

I haven't seen any discussions regarding people being thrown off voting roles, standing in long lines to vote, and having MAGA's patrolling the election sites. Were Republicans able to intimidate enough voters for TSF to win?

[SammyWinstonJack]

19. Wouldn't that be considered cheating? Sure seems like it would be

[barbtries]

21. Undoubtedly yes.

see my post below.
Voter suppression coupled with claims of voter fraud has been in the republican playbook forever.

[womanofthehills]

11. Many are now claiming he had way more social media coverage

That Rogan interview was watched by 100,000,000. - plus all the other interviews he did online also had multi million views - like comedianTheo Von. Most of the cable shows average 100,000 to 200,000.

[KPN]

12. That he won is still unfathomable, yes. But not

sure we should distrust our elections without hard and reliable evidence. Just 4 years ago, we all here thought the notion of distrusting the election without hard and reliable evidence was absurd. The only way this is really any different at this point is we believe we are fair and honest and they are not. Though that may be true, it is not proof and we (our party, our candidate) would be equally absurd to proclaim the election stolen. And at that point, were we to do that and fail to prove it, would we, that is, Americans ever be able to trust our electoral process again? If not … that’s unfathomable as well.

We are truly between a rock and a hard place.

[questionseverything]

84. The big difference between republicans not trusting the results four years ago is

Georgia hand counted the paper ballots to prove trump lost

It’s not our duty to “trust “, it’s our duty to make sure we have a transparent system in place so we all know the results are correct

[TheRickles]

13. Not that it's any consolation, but he didn't even get a majority of the popular vote.

Trump got 49.97% and Kamala got 48.36%, with the rest going to Green, Libertarians and etc. Luckily for Trump, most media rounds off the totals, because the MAGA team would've taken a psychological hit if it was reported that Trump didn't even hit 50%.

[Wiz Imp]

46. Trump's portion of the popular vote was only 49.83% NOT 49.97%

https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college

It has been widely reported and CONFIRMED that Trump didn't hit 50%

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/donald-trump-vote-margin-narrowed/

Donald Trump Has Not Won a Majority of the Votes Cast for President
Donald Trump’s popular vote total has fallen below 50 percent, and his margin over Kamala Harris has narrowed considerably as all the votes are counted.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/election-results-show-trump-has-lost-popular-vote-majority.html

Trump Has Lost His Popular-Vote Majority

Also, I'm not sure if they are done counting yet. It could end up being even lower.

[TheRickles]

63. Yes, his % continues to drift lower and lower as more votes come in. And while these links are helpful

(and more up-to-date than my numbers), I was referring more to how the MSM doesn't mention this factoid. So most folks probably aren't aware that it was not quite the landslide we were initially led to believe.

[Wiz Imp]

64. Trump would claim a landslide regardless. I'm pretty sure he declared a landslide in 2016 despite losing the PV

I have seen the MSM report on the actual closeness of the election but they haven't made it a point of emphasis because at this point very few people care

[TheRickles]

75. The closeness of the PV hasn't been the MSM's focus at any point along the way. The image of a decisive victory

got planted in peoples' minds in the heat of the moment, and it's too late to change that now, except for historians and scholars and political nerds like us on DU. (I was going to add a smiley emoji, but it's not really funny).

[peregrinus]

14. Yup, winning all the swing states

And also “winning” groups that he himself marginalized and demonized. It was rigged. My guess is that they bought off election boards on a grand scale over a 4 year period. Because the mainstream narrative is that Trump flipped enough of those minority groups. It fits in with the idea that “everybody loves Trump” the way that he wants it. So he can shove it in the faces of his detractors. He lies and cheats at everything, he lied and cheated about his win.

[iemanja]

91. It's amazing the Democratic election officials in blue states

all conspired to throw Trump the election.

That is what it would have taken for Trump to alter the election results. Yet not one conspiracy theorist has explained how or why that would happen. In fact, they haven't explained anything or provided evidence of anything. Nor have you explained how Trump gained 8 points over 2020 in 90% of the counties in America, including deep blue ones that he lost. That you FEEL it is enough for you all. The hell with facts. Feelings are all that matter.

[peregrinus]

92. Election commissioners are appointed by judges

Judges can be bought off.

[iemanja]

95. Then provide the evidence that they were

Or keep spouting false and unsubstantiated claims. I'm betting on the latter because it makes you feel better, which matters more than truth.

The exit polls are consistent with a Trump victory. Did bought-off election judges rig those as well?

[peregrinus]

96. Where are you getting your truth?

From the main stream media that normalized and enabled Trump? We live in a post truth world now.

[iemanja]

98. From data

which you have none to support your claim.

I haven't consumed any MSM since the election, and I never to rarely watched TV news before. So spare me your tired media accusations. I'm not the one with Cable TV "news" on 24/7.

[usaf-vet]

15. The average IQ of his supporters is likely in the 55-70 range or lower?

[barbtries]

17. I'm reading White Rage right now.

Republicans have been cheating forever. The numbers and statistics, the Court cases, the outcomes, the oppression and suppression of the vote are on a scale I was only barely aware of, and that was after reading The New Jim Crow.

Both are scholarly works of fact that will no doubt be banned if they're not already. Republicans have never supported democracy in the USA.

My point being that even if they didn't cheat, they cheated.They ALWAYS have. They view the law not as a system of checks and balances, but as a cudgel they employ to maintain their privilege, suck up all the wealth, and use and hurt people.
(not linking to Amazon any more because Bezos)

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/white-rage-the-unspoken-truth-of-our-racial-divide_carol-anderson/11603981/#isbn=1632864134

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-new-jim-crow-mass-incarceration-in-the-age-of-colorblindness_michelle-alexander/263887/#isbn=1620971933

[Botany]

22. The last legitimate Republican to win was Dwight David Eisenhower. They have cheated or been the legacy ...

…. ever since.

Nixon: in 1968 before the election told both the North and South Vietnamese not to
sign the deal LBJ had worked out but signed (Kissinger signed it) the exact same deal
in January of 1973. Only @ least 7 million more dead including my friend’s older
brother in 1968 or 69.

Ford: Decent guy but never elected.

Reagan: Iran Hostage deal which HW Bush, John Connally, and one other guy who
cleaned up w’s Texas Air National Guard history pushed through. Hold onto the
hostages until after the election and we will send you (the Ayatollah) weapons.

HW Bush: Legacy of cheating and operation northwoods.

w bush: Florida 2000 & Ohio 2004

Trump: Russia Russia Russia 2016. And Facebook knowingly posted Russian produced
lies about HRC and helped Trump get close enough to steal it via the electoral college. Facebook
paid a 5 billion dollar penalty and then they changed their name to META.


Trump: 2024 I don’t know how but Musk, Russia, and the same shits who tried to over the 2020
election who have been working on their coup since 2020. And a dirty media which never once
titled Trump as a convicted felon out on bail & adjudicated rapist.

[peregrinus]

97. Eisenhower was really more of an independent

He was courted by Democrats as well, to run on their ticket.

[Wiz Imp]

43. OMG, It's like I just stumbled into MAGA world

"My point being that even if they didn't cheat, they cheated."

Seriously? That is a a statement worthy of the most delusional MAGA conspiracy theorist.

[barbtries]

45. Read these books

and then say that.

this is not delusion Wiz Imp. This is history.

[Wiz Imp]

51. Read what books?

And saying even if the didn't cheat, they cheated is doublespeak worthy of Orwell.

[barbtries]

68. you didn't read my comment

before you made a huge judgment about it. WTF

[Wiz Imp]

73. Yes I read your comment

where you said "even if they didn't cheat, they cheated" which has to be one of the most idiotic things I've ever read.

[Mr.Bee]

18. Thank You!

[alexjohn1965]

20. Starlink

Trump "won" by undercounting ballots, ballot bombs, and isn't it funny all 7 swing states had their vote counting info run through Starlink? States which elected down ballot Democrats but then voted for Trump? They spent 4 years projecting with their stop the steal campaign all the while using that time to actually steal this one. I weep.

[Botany]

23. Yup!

Central Tabulators and Musk

[kimbutgar]

59. Muskrat was definitely involved in altering and suppressing counting of votes.

I just hope him and dumpt have a big falling out between now and January 1st and he spills the beans how he rigged the election in the orange hitlers favor.

Those two egos are on a collusion course. I’ve read that muskrat is basically living at mar a lago and getting on peoples nerves.

[Wiz Imp]

66. I have no doubt Musk & Trump will have a falling out at some point. Those 2 massive egos can't coexist for long

I doubt it will happen as soon as January 1, though. Anyway, Musk would never publicly admit to doing anything nefarious, even in the highly unlikely event it was true. He would be admitting to committing crimes and remember, Trump would still be the President and eager to prosecute him.

[kimbutgar]

78. Muskrat has enough f you money to leave the country before he gets prosecuted and use his social media

To turn against the orange monster!

[Wiz Imp]

81. True. But I doubt he'd want to give up those massive Government Contracts he has.

[EdmondDantes_]

71. The claims of bullet ballots doesn't hold up at all

The guy was claiming 350,000 for Trump in North Carolina when there were only about 88,000 more votes for president than the governor's race. Also given ballots are secret, how does he know what votes were for Trump alone?

And for all the claims that Starlink was involved in counting votes, there's no evidence of that. Starlink was used to check registration data. Are you claiming it was returning not eligible for presumed Democrats? Voting machines don't have modems so they literally can't connect to Starlink.

The conspiracy theories don't hold up no matter how much you want to not accept the vote.

[iemanja]

93. False

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/nov/12/threads-posts/no-elon-musks-starlink-wasnt-used-to-rig-the-2024/

Though obviously you don't give a shit that it's not true or you would have checked out that claim already.

And what about all the other states where Trump also gained ground, an average of 8 points? Whereas the average in the swing states was 3 points. The reason, according to the Harris campaign--She campaigned heavily in the swing states.

Why would Trump work so hard to "steal" votes in states where it made no difference in the outcome?

[MichMan]

29. Pretty sure Harris wound have won by at least 10 million more votes otherwise

[Maraya1969]

31. Yea and add a couple other countries that helped Russia. Idiots.

[lees1975]

32. No question about it.

He's been planning exactly how for four years. Got his people in place and didn't even bother to try and cover it up.

[Botany]

33. The man knew "the fix" was in.

He masturbated a mic stand and then acted like he was giving a blow job to the microphone,
sleep walked through his half empty rallies, talked about Arnold Palmer’s penis size, got
crushed in the debate, women were pissed, and so much more and yet he won. “They” were
into the voting data and numbers. How I don’t know but it does not pass the smell test.

[viva la]

34. He lied.

Everyone's saying, "Democrats should have said this or that."
The problem is, Democrats generally require of themselves some adjacency to truth.

Republicans just lie, especially Trump.
A Democrat isn't going to warn that evil immigrants are going to invade suburban houses (because it's not true). And they're not going to promise that only they can keep those widdle suburbanites safe.

Trump did just that. None of it is true, but he doesn't care, and his minions don't care.
But the days when you could counteract lies with the truth and evidence are long gone.

[bluestarone]

37. I'm like you. He cheated, because he's ALWAYS cheated.

I don't want to start a whole new argument about it, because nothing is provable. I look at it this way, take Texas for example (many other tRUMPY states as well) I would not for one minute believe someone did NOT open them voting machines and figure out how they work and how to do some changes. NOT through the internet, but through someone going state to state (favorite states) and accomplish their plans. Just knowing ABBOTT, HE would do anything to stop Democratic victories. We will never know, but i'm entitled to my own thoughts, If not this way, they did it another way, but STILL CHEATED!!

[Mountainguy]

42. No, he didn't

I'm not any more interested in these conspiracy theories than I am the ones R's ran wild with for the past 4 years.

We need to actually understand why we lost and fix it.

Trump won and down-ballot republicans lost in close races because he doesn't have coattails. He uses local candidates, but doesn't do anything to help them. On top of that the Rs ran some of the worst candidates possible in many of those races. If anything some of these might have been bigger Trump wins but the down-ballot pulled him down with them.

It's no misogamy or racism either; those are just easy scapegoats for what happened.

We can't win consistently at a national level if we are punting the white rural vote. It's very clear.

[NJCher]

44. Free $100! Getcher' free $100 Now!

Musk PAC sent York woman $100 for signing America PAC Petition. But she never signed it

snip

Musk had pledged to send every person who signed the petition or referred another to sign it either $47 in most swing states or $100 in Pennsylvania, sweetening the pot for voters in the crucial commonwealth.

There was one problem with that, though.

“I did not do it,” Fermier said. “I did not want to do it. I did not intend to do it. I did not provide my information on that petition.”

She is not sure how it happened. She checked with her friends, believing that one may have signed her name onto the online petition as a prank, but none owned up to it.

“I have no idea how my personal data got entered onto that petition,” she said. “Someone did it without my permission and without my knowledge.”

snip

What's going on:

Quite a number of people got $100 checks who never signed up for Musk's PAC. This lady isn't the only one.

Musk was building a parallel ePollBook of pledged supporters that would be checked off on both systems.

-------------------------

Meanwhile:

Elon Musk just walked out to a ROARING APPLAUSE at Mar-a-Lago with President Trump.....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19773038


You have to be one lame SOB not to recognize what's going on here.

[Wiz Imp]

47. OMG, is this Democratic Underground or Fox News in 2020?

The ridiculous and insane conspiracy theories being rattled off here look just like MAGA in 2020. Only it's worse because we're supposed to be grounded in reality. The absolute certainty of so many here despite ZERO evidence is denial on a massive scale.

[Alaninahammock]

48. Please stop

I know I am too new posting here to have an opinion... but is this nutty conspiracy stuff ever going to stop? The grief is bad enough without reading this malarky.

[kimbutgar]

53. I have a fantasy that when things start to go bad with the two egos of dumpt and muskrat goes sour

Muskrat will admit he stole the election for him. And describe how he did it.

I just hope he does it before January 1st 2025.

[Demobrat]

54. He won because the majority of white Americans

are ignorant, racist assholes, and proud of it.

I had never been on X until a few weeks before the election. I signed up to follow Kamala HQ and a few others. I was shocked and sickened by what I saw on there. He won because people suck.

[CrispyQ]

56. I believe there were dirty tricks & shenanigans.

Lack of voting machines & drop off boxes in dem areas, mailers with misinformation targeting dems, all the crap they've been doing with the addition of bomb scares, but an actual break into the systems & hack the votes? Not going there.

I don't think Joe Biden would have won either, & maybe even lost by more. America is a shallow country easily swayed by bluster & false bravado & that's all Trump has going for him.

[JohnSJ]

58. Thank-you. I am so tired of the usual pontificator analysts spewing crap as

though they have some great insight that no one else has.

and some wonder why they are losing viewers and listeners.

[Pegasus30]

65. Me too

You are not wrong.

[Persondem]

76. Enough with this stupid @$$ click bait. nt

[doc03]

83. They control most of the news media and Democrats are scared

to go for the jugular. The my friend's across the isle and my Republican colleagues doesn't show much strength.

[Blue Owl]

86. What harm could come of recounting the swing state ballots?

Seems like the closer they zoom into any contested or outstanding races, the better the Democrats are doing.

Why not zoom in real close and find that Harris/Walz really did win, and that man-baby Donny tRump, who has never done an honest deed in his life, is the LOSER just like he’s always been…..

[Faux pas]

87. To quote Al Sharpton

"The only way they can beat us is to cheat us."

[Meowmee]

88. I am very suspicious.

And I’m not crazy. However, I don’t think we’re ever going to find out what happens since no one is willing to do anything to try and find out.

[Polybius]

89. So he can cheat when he's a private citizen, but he couldn't cheat when he was President in 2020?

Cool story.

[iemanja]

90. It's shameful this gets 66 recs

Will you be storming the capital too?

[Initech]

94. And also half this population was brainwashed by Fox and social media.

Fuck Rupert Murdoch, Elon Musk, and Mark Zuckerberg to the hottest of hells.