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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsConnecticut Shooter Adam Lanza: 'Obviously Not Well'
Family friends in Newtown also described the young man as troubled and described his mother Nancy as very rigid. "[Adam] was not connected with the other kids," said one friend.
Late today, police said Nancy Lanza's body was found in the family home. According to sources, Lanza shot his mother in the face, then left the house armed with at least two semi-automatic handguns and a semi-automatic rifle.
State and federal authorities believe his mother may have once worked at the elementary school where Adam went on his deadly rampage, although she was not a teacher, according to relatives, perhaps a volunteer.
http://gma.yahoo.com/connecticut-shooter-adam-lanza-obviously-not-well-182011729--abc-news-topstories.html
When are we going to get some nut control?
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Except they had an arsenal lying around.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)in the name of "deinstitutionalization" has been as big a flop as "trickle down" and "free trade." All of them need to be relegated to the scrap heap of horrid history.
Mama knew he was sick and Mama still bought him his guns.
The more I learn about this, the sicker it all gets.
Abandoning the too-strict "danger to oneself or others" legal standard that means a person can be involuntarily committed only if he's there with a weapon in his hand might be the best first step.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Fat chance that will be made public.
Of course, that is just the thing that would be needed if you were going to do a gun licensing check. Without access to juvenile crime records, gun checks are useless.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)America has never had anything remotely resembling a decent mental health system.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Our prison population on the other hand is seven times that of Canada per capita, that's the mental health system that white folks are willing to pay for.
I'm white, BTW.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)and it was largely a warehouse for women nobody wanted any more. They should have been discharged, of course, but the system should have been maintained. Acutely ill people went there, got medication and got better.
"Nothing" has not worked, is not working and will not work.
Trailrider1951
(3,414 posts)No help, at all. Dear God have we no compassion?
Iris
(15,659 posts)There is pretty much no safety net or support.
Out of sight, out of mind.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)When my grandpa died, my brother got his guns.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Why wouldn't she just give him the money to buy whatever guns he wanted for himself? Maybe they're a gun-totin' family, so Mom keeps guns.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/adam-lanza-bio/60018/
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)ABC NEWS has learned that Peter Lanza, the gunman's father, also had a number of weapons legally registered in New Jersey, however it is unknown what makes or models and whether there is any link between these weapons and the crime.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/northern_suburbs&id=8920448
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)gun mentality. What a gun happy family.
I don't know the guns. I just heard reported, but it might be wrong, that the rifle belonged to someone else he knew....he stole it or something. But there's probably a lot of false info floating around.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)I'd rather see less lobotomies, thank you very much, and more more war-mongers locked up. Unlike the mentally ill, this group really is more violent than the general population.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)Where have you been? They'd stopped doing them at the state hospital I worked in sometime way before my time because they were non specific and didn't work as well as advertised. With the advent of the first antipsychotic drugs in the 60s, they were no longer necessary, at any rate.
I'd rather jail war criminals, too. However, what about a patient's right to a clean place to live and humane treatment? They're not getting it on the street. Who the hell says we can't do both?
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)I am all for the best care for victims of mental illness, as to me they are the people who are suffering the most. Most of us fail to see them as living in hell because of their odd behaviors. ( I am speaking of the kinds of clients usually found in clinical settings.)
We can do both. But we won't. We can't rely on a relative handful of enlightened people to help them out and bypass the stigma and all of the huge problems that go along with THAT whole problem.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)Please read up on them.
We can do both. We just need to gain the will as a nation to fund both efforts.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)I know people whose lives were destroyed by ECT, including a friend who could not count change and was forced to leave President Carter's economic team. (one of the country's foremost math theorists.)
Read up on it? Try reading the results of the only long term (six months) study done back in '06. Sachiem .
Significant cognitive deficits six months out. In every one of the subjects. In neurology, six months means permanent.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)Get back to me when you've had some sort of a medical education.
GOOD bye.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)And claim they are experts. Like yourself. Your attitude towards the mentally ill here over the years is disgusting. You even humiliatied a fellow DUer about her mental illness once. GOOD riddance, warp.
easttexaslefty
(1,554 posts)It's called stigma. If people, like you, wouldn't throw those kind of terms around, maybe it would HELP eliminate SHAME from mental health issues.
This terminology? Part of the problem.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)fixing the mental health care. There are more and more of people like this that need help.
It needs to be de-stigmatized, there needs to be more awareness of all kinds. Or this is going to keep happening. If it isn't a gun it will be something else.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)Then the next step would be to quit being big babies about having to give up our toys and start enacting some intelligent gun control. When people can admit that they don't actually NEED a gun that shoots a hundred rounds a minute for anything other than an ego booster and that blaming the mentally ill is cheap and easy, then I think we just might be on our way to figuring this whole thing out.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)Because despite our collective to think of them as something other than human, there are real people who are suffering hell beneath those labels.
Funny how we say a person HAS cancer. But another IS a schizophrenic.
http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)A neighbor who watched Adam when Nancy went out said in a Washington Post story that Adam was on medication. Although the neighbor is only a year older than Ryan, he said that Adam's outbursts were too difficult for Ryan to handle.