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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen a Glock semi-automatic pistol can shoot 33 rounds without reloading, killing dozens of people
in a couple minutes, who -- except for gun apologists -- cares whether the murder weapon was a rifle or a pistol?
The point is that it really doesn't matter which efficiently deadly gun the shooter used; we make it way too easy for extremely lethal weapons to get into the hands of disturbed people.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)and they more dumbasses they can get to campaign against their own best interests, i.e. against gun control, to increase the NRA's power.
spanone
(135,844 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)I would hope he would.
What do YOU think would be a Compromise Solution...if you were an "Adviser for the People" to the Obama Administration on how to move forward on what happened?
What happened Today and Yesterday and Beyond and What is going on with our WARS Overseas?
What would you suggest?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Would be a good start.
Federal background checks that at least meet California (I would like tougher ones)
All gun laws have to be federal, and stop the hodgepodge of state laws...
Close the gun show loophole.
That be a start.
Do I expect it? Unicorns have a better chance of farting in the forest.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)I'm sure they never anticipated the killing capacity of the guns we allow today.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The gun owners of the day were expected to drill every month with the local militia. Granted, drill rarely included actual shooting. Lead balls were damn expensive. (So were the guns themselves). In fact, some of it included plenty of beer and food...
Our modern court, has in my view, eviscerated the well regulated with Heller.
In the modern day this drilling requirement describes the State Guard to a damn T.
We need to go back to well regulated...that means armed forces and police. Private citizens should be licensed. And as I said in a few other places, all civilian guns, once is practical, must receive smart gun technology, to literally match them to shooter.
Will this happen? Unicorns have a better chance of farting in the forest.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)also...later ..why do we need reapeating assault weapons..(rifles, guns) to kill deer, coyotes or protect our homes from an intruder.
I wish more attention could be paid to this. Taking out two classrooms of little kids in a way that their remains need time to be identified seems to be beyond the pale of what the 2nd Amendment put in the protection of "Right to Have Arms." (but, then I realize it also concerned Militias) ...but, they weren't thinking about Repeating Assault Weapons with belts of ammunition clips so that it could be rapidfire for mass killings.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You want a bushmaster? Sure...make the selector function to two settings, safe and single shot.
Sure, looks means, but you should be able to bring that deer down with one shot.
As is, the M1-Garand, though semi auto, has a five round capacity, which is also a better round.
Some of our hunters like the macho looking guns...so they want them? Sure, lousy round, single shot.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)look so MACHO in their own cowardly behavior that they need an Assault Weapon to take down a deer or shoot a rabbit?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And they are already using bushmasters and the rest in the series to hunt rabbits and squirrels. A .22 would work.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)We have to get tougher on stopping this insanity. I was for the assault weapon ban, and think it should be the law again. I also think that the sale of large magazines and clips should be stopped. I have never understood the need to be able to shoot 33 rounds from a hand gun, or rifle, without reloading unless it's for the military during war time.
There are to many unstable people out there who should never be able to have access such weapons.
ItsTheMediaStupid
(2,800 posts)The only legit reason is combat
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Extended mags on pistols are unwieldy and prone to jamming. To suggest using them in combat is laughable.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)purpose: killing people.
And I would be fine jailing anyone who would sell it.
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)Not that it's a big deal or anything, but you are the one who made an issue about the type of weapon it was. You even started a thread about it.
41. A parent with a pistol would have been no match against this guy with his
assault weapon. The parent would be George Zimmerman, not Superman.
Statistically, allowing guns around schools would result in more accidental shootings than it would prevent crimes like today's.
92. Reports are that there was a .223 caliber rifle seized.
And that many rounds of gunshots were heard. It was most likely a rifle with a magazine.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-14/connecticut-shooting-leaves-27-dead-including-pupils-ap.html
The AP reported that the attacker in Connecticut is a 20- year-old man. A law-enforcement official in Washington said that one gun used in the attacks is a .223-caliber rifle, the news service reported. The official spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because the source was not authorized to speak on the record about the developing investigation.
http://johnston.patch.com/articles/27-dead-in-connecticut-school-shooting-aa42c099
The alleged gunman, whom reports have identified as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza, a former Quinnipiac University student, was armed with four guns and a high-powered assault rifle.
117. The "Sig Sauer" has been called the "Rolls Royce of assault rifles."
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-gun-did-the-sandy-hook-shooter-use-2012-12
The shooter was using one Sig Sauer and one Glock, according to CNN. Glock doesn't make an assault style rifle, but Sig Sauer is the Rolls Royce of assault rifle producers.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)TPaine7
(4,286 posts)It stands out today, LOL!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)that could fire 33 shots before needing reloading.
Thanks for pointing me in that direction.
I still don't think that arming the parents and teachers with their own semi-automatic pistols is the solution. In fact, that teacher was the owner of the gun that killed her. It didn't work out for her, obviously.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)or even those repeating Assault Rifles unless one wanted to create mass killings of animal, people life?
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)other responsible adult at that school be armed.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But the bad guy!!!!
I love that macho fantasy.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And the army... You get really good at cover and all that real fast. My job was to take care of the wounded as a medic. And I had one in particular, very close call.
And we own weapons too...
And some in my family are now retired cops.
So my knowledge comes from this silliness called real life.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)TPaine7
(4,286 posts)First of all, I think macho is a masculine term and the people who were running to gunfire were women; I've read that the principal was killed when she tried to stop him and that all of the adults killed were women.
Second, this wasn't a fantasy at all, it was real life. She went beyond the call of duty to charge a shooting lunatic--and you are happy that she had to do so unarmed, because it's possible that someone might have gotten hit by crossfire?!!
But even if it was a guy, it was well beyond macho. And it was not done to aggrandize anyone's ego; it was done out of horrifying necessity. If you would put down that cartoon lens, you might be able to look past the silly stereotypes to reality.
Let's apply this type of logic to another subject.
You: Because we all know that no one ever dies or is injured in surgery!
A gun would have given the heroic principal and other women in that school a fighting chance against that maniac. It is the single best way to stop an active shooter, as a general rule. While I am sure that there are many who would want these women to have to engage in hand-to-rifle combat in defense of a child they loved, I am not among them. And of course there are associated risks, there are risks with everything.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Better.
It is a fantasy that more guns are a solution.
It is also an NRA and gun bunny talking point.
We are no longer tolerant of this idiocy.
And using the death of women who were protecting their kids from this man to push your guns every where is just the lowest of the low. We need responsible gun laws, not this, more gun guns for everyone! Oh happy joy!
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)"guns every where" and "fantasy" and "NRA" and "gun bunny" and "talking point" and "idiocy" and "lowest of the low" and "guns everywhere" and "responsible gun laws" and "more gun guns for everyone" and "Oh happy joy" aren't going to convince anyone of anything who isn't emotionally caught up.
Substance free emotion like that gets you stupid and/or ineffective laws.
Your post 26 contained not one valid, rational point. When I pointed that out, you spouted more pat phrases and emotion.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I will call you on it.
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)on staff, they cannot possibly have an answer to the specific things you said.
I challenge you to find the NRA saying anything about how "macho" is masculine and all of the adult victims were women, or that the principal took this killer on barehanded.
I saw the NRA quoted in a story saying that they had no comment until the facts are all clear; they won't be talking about this incident until the dust is fully settled.
Nothing I said came from the NRA. You know as well as I do that if you were in the principal's position, you would rather have a handgun than a fist. You might not care enough for the children to want them better defended, but if YOU had to face that nut, you would want a weapon. That's a fact unless you are an extreme pacifist or a very unusual person.
Now you can try to dismiss that reality by calling it an "NRA talking point" until you turn blue in the face. But anyone not caught up in emotion will see through your tactic. You'll even see through it if you ever calm down.
Reality is not an NRA talking point.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And you don't even realize it, you delicate flower you. Stop pretending.
Guns everywhere and concealed carry *is* an NRA talking point.
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)"NRA talking points"... "delicate flower"..."Guns everywhere"...
Concealed carry is a legal policyit's no more a "talking point" that the Brady background check system is a "talking point."
Now "guns everywhere" is a talking point. And a lie. The NRA doesn't want guns everywhere. They don't want them in the homes of convicted felons. And I am sure that, like me, they don't want them in prison cells or mental hospital rooms.
See how I actually answered what you said??? I even went past the REAL "talking points" to find the shred of an actual point there and address it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)In reality, standard magazines are not that large.
The usual types will defend the magazines so they don't have to reload as often at the range.
I am impressed, they unbalance the gun as well.
Having a standard mag, 10-12 rounds depending on state, few 15 (why we need federal standards) should be good enough for the range or plinking cans.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)easier than other gun control, for sure
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Those 33 rounds would cost $1,353 in JUST federal gun powder taxes, minimum.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)If you are defending yourself one or two shots should be enough to shoot the bastard dead, 33 rounds is just massive overkill, literally.