My thoughts..

[JH19059]

I live and work as a cop in Chicago and have seen first hand what bans and restrictions on guns and munitions can do and that is .. NOTHING. We continue to have the highest homicide rates and the most aggravated batteries with handguns. We continue to bury our children without outrage from anyone. No marches, no protests, no call to action just long funeral processions. Americans have always worshiped "The 3 G's"...Greed, Guns and God and all in that order. Unfortunately this tragedy will only happen again. No amount of gun laws will prevent it. Violent behavior is too ingrained in our society and psyche. I've witnessed this first hand on these streets how people disregard this precious thing we call LIFE. Snuffing it out without regard or feeling. It sickens me to no end.

[Generic Brad]

1. So what do you recommend?

I may be mistaken, but you seem to be implying there is nothing that can be done so we should just accept the status quo.

[teddy51]

8. There is lots that can be done, but it comes in the form of defense. We know that we have

problems in not only schools, but also in malls it would seem. We need to fight fire with fire. In other words (I don't like this either), but defending the areas that seem to be most vulnerable. Protect our schools, malls, and any other areas that are under attack.

Reality is it is going to cost, but what price do you put on a human life?

[rustydog]

9. No, gun control is needed

there are countries with gun control that have lower death rates than the good old USA. There are countries with more weapons per capita than the good old USA.

I have 3 magazines for my Glock that will allow me to shoot 57 people! Why in FUCK do I have access to that?
Home defense? against 57 intruders? No we need to actively seek gun control.

[teddy51]

11. I never said anything about gun control. My idea is seriously armed guards at any and all of these

places that might encounter problems with an armed assault. We have many different people in malls, and certainly young innocent's in schools. These people deserve to be protected from this onslaught of lunacy.

[NYC_SKP]

2. Our culture is very sick. We cannot regulate ourselves into wellness.

But that POV is not very welcome today. I had an OP alerted upon, the alert failed. Many posts tonight suggest that if you don't agree with the groupthink then you just aren't progressive, or some such bullshit.

This event is very polarizing.

But I agree with you, JH9059.

[teddy51]

3. I agree totally with you. Anyone that wants to get a gun, can and will. It doesn' t matter what

type of gun they want, it can and will be had.

[Tumbulu]

4. What would happen to munitions if the manufacturers of them were held responsible

for damages caused by their products. Hospital bills, policing costs, damages to property.

Why aren't the manufacturers held responsible for damages caused by their products?

[madinmaryland]

7. You think the Robert's Court would rule against corporations???

Hell, Fat Tony would vote to charge the costs to the victims.

[Tumbulu]

21. Well I do not share your pessimism about this

we could start it state by state and then it would be a few years before it made it to the court, which might be a different court by then.

We have to start, though.

What are your ideas?

[madinmaryland]

24. Sorry for the pessimism.

Even though I don't see anything like that ever happening, I would also like to see liability insurance be required for gun owners. Will never happen, but it might make think the nutters think twice about their guns. (like the zimmerman guy).

Make the gun nutters pay for the damage their guns cause.

[Tumbulu]

26. I think it is possible- especially after this horror of the day

I think that liability insurance would make a difference.

Thanks for responding.

[Arctic Dave]

5. Derp.

Then why the fuck are you a cop if it is all meaningless. Maybe if you gave a fuck at what you do there might be less crime in your city.

If your attitude is that shitty about your profession then you suck at what you do.

[teddy51]

15. WTF.. Are you out of your mind? It certainly would seem so based on the OP's post.

Who the fuck do you think you are anyway? Your post actually makes me laugh..... Grrrrr

[JH19059]

17. SMH...

Apparently comprehension falls short around these parts at time.

[RomneyLies]

6. If you are really a Chicago cop, you know the ban was overturned two years ago

and that gun deaths have more than doubled annually since the ban was overturned.

[JH19059]

13. First off I'm a Cop

Second to legally have a register a gun in Chicago you need an FOID card, a Chicago Firearms Permit and required training. A lot of people are having a hard time getting the CFP for some reason. Gun deaths have not doubled because of the gun ban being lifted. Chicago gangs are in the middle of a war. Smaller factions are vying for power. Plus we had an abnormally hot winter which increased street activity. Also the department shut down our roving TRU units (tactical response units) which was over 1000 officers strong. Plus our department is downsized we were once 13500 now we about 9000. They haven't hired.

[RomneyLies]

14. Anybody can claim to be anything on the internet

Just sayin'.

[JH19059]

16. sigh

Choose to believe what u want...

[RomneyLies]

18. It's not what I choose to believe

It's that I do not believe without verifying evidence.

[JH19059]

19. No problem

i hope I was able to verify it for you. I've been coming here since 2007 just never really post.

[Frustratedlady]

10. You're right, but I have made my mind up to fight it as hard as I can.

Sitting back and doing nothing isn't an option. All day long I saw my grandchildren and great-grandchildren in those victims. I saw my daughters and granddaughters teaching in those classrooms. Not only must we conquer the problem of the automatic guns...whatever they are called... we must get help for mental problems and shut down the inciters...the Becks, Limbaughs, Coulter, FOX, etc.

Freedoms are for all of us to own, not abuse. Our forefathers didn't intend for guns...these types of guns...to be used against the citizens. They were for hunting food, protecting ones property and homesteads. We are so far removed from the 2nd Amendment, it is no longer relevent. We now abuse the Constitution and don't bat an eye.

There has to be an answer and shame on any congressperson who refuses to work on it.

Thank you for your service. I can't imagine how you can function not knowing where the next gun might pop up. Be safe!

[RichGirl]

12. I love Chicago...but...

It's a world of difference from a small town in Connecticutt. I grew up in a small town that in the 20 years I lived there, never had a murder of any kind. So...you can't compare the whole country to Chicago or any big city.

Amazing how many people think...can't do anything so what's the point! If they were serious about solving this problem there's a lot that can be done. Very restrictive laws and huge fines and jail time when those laws are broken. Jail time should be mandatory for selling or buying a gun illegally. The gun manufacturer should be severely regulated and not following regulations should be considered criminal wth jail time. They could put computer chips in every gun so that we know where it is, in whose hands at all times.

There should be severe laws for gun ownership. Like in this case where the shooter used his mothers guns. If she had lived, she should be doing jail time for not having her guns under lock and key.

We can't cure people of being stupid or mentally ill...but we can do everything humanly possible to keep guns out of there hands.

My nephew has a felony on his record for life because at 16 he went to a friends house with others, the friend took out his parents gun and they shot it in the air. They all did 30 days in jail and boot camp. The parents should have gotten at least a year jail time for having the gun available to a teenager.

[Tumbulu]

23. I agree with you- good points

and well stated! Thanks!

[Jennicut]

25. True. Connecticut's entire population is only about a million more then in Chicago.

Newtown is a place where nothing really ever happened. Bridgeport, New Haven, Hartford yes. Newtown? No. We have lots of suburbs like that in CT. Gun laws may work better for suburbs then for big cities.

[MrMickeysMom]

20. I sickens all of us, but tell me...

Given the population of UK and comparative US stats, why does the UK have so much fewer shootings? I'm thinking it was under 3,000 between 2008 and 9.

[ellisonz]

22. You might want to read this...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/14715658-418/chicago-gangs-dont-have-to-go-far-to-buy-guns.html

[alcibiades_mystery]

27. The pipeline of guns from Indiana is well known to everybody in Chicago..who are you fooling with

this tired ass argument.

Stringent federal regulations, strongly enforced, would drastically reduce the pipeline of guns from across the border - where plenty of "respectable" assholes are getting rich on the suffering of the South and West sides of Chicago.

You should be ashamed of promoting this ignorant bullshit.

[JH19059]

28. I think...

I think some missed the point of my post. My post has nothing to do with Columbine, Aurora,Co, or Conneticut. When I referred to "this tragedy" I was refering to what's happening Everyday on the streets of many cities across this country..people dying senselessly at the hand of not just gun violence but violence in general! We get up in arms about the Columbines or Auroras but we don't say shit when kids, mothers and fathers are killed in our Black and Brown communities. That's what sickens me, that most don't consider that a Tragedy. When I said gun laws would not not help this I meant it , it won't it's just a band aid attempting to cover up the elephant in the room. Until we start giving a damn about our inner cities , its economic/educational prosperity and ending this bullshit war on drugs it won't change. We can continue to bury our heads in the sand but the problem is only to get worse.

[Tsiyu]

30. Chicago has mass corruption

in its government and always has.

To me, it's a trickle down thing. If the leaders and law enforcement do whatever the hell they want, the people will do the same. Leaders and law enforcement often think they're "special snowflakes" who can get away with murder. The average citizen doesn't think ANYONE is a special snowflake. If it's good for the leaders, it's good enough for the average joe or jane.

There are so many stories about police corruption, racism, turning away and "not seeing" murders. That city is having a free-for-all and gun control is the least of your issues.

But an assault weapons ban in the city is still a good thing.