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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs today's hyperviolent male culture a reaction against perceived gay culture?
At the risk of stereotyping, I think it goes without saying that today's typical straight male teenager does not go for romantic comedies, dance music or anything that could be perceived as happy, silly, or dare I say "girly." This wasn't always the case. Go (way) back to the 1940s. Sure, most men liked Westerns, but most were perfectly happy going to musicals as well. There was no stigma. Today's straight male grows up in a world where there is tremendous peer-pressure against such things, so as not to look "gay." And so the types of entertainment that are "permissible" for the typical straight male teenager becomes incredibly constricted - to only that which is obviously tough, brutish, or violent, but always unmistakably masculine. I can't help but think this constricts their development as individuals.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Homophobia and underlying all of that is the denigration of all things female.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)A prime example would be emotions and emotional expression. It's "not manly" or it's "feminine" to express one's emotions. When you're bottling all your emotions up, especially the things that make you sad, angry, or disappointed in yourself and in others, it's only going to lead to rage I think.
badhair77
(4,218 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)It's been the tradition for centuries. A few immigrant cultures get singled out for being 'emotional' - Italian? - but the phlegmatic man of northern European descent is both a stereotype and a role model - John Wayne, Gary Cooper, Humphrey Bogart etc.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)And also, however, that people tend to not call "anger" an emotion. Like, it's fine to express anger. But, don't cry. You'll be labelled emotional if you do. Which is bad.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)And I'm trying to figure out why so many straight guys today have such an obsession with violence and thuggishness, when this obviously never used to be the case.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Then I suspect you weren't paying attention during your history classes. It's been going on for millenia, literally.
marmar
(77,081 posts)It's always been a hyperviolent male culture.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I think that's quite a stretch.
But you make a good point, though.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)As a former Marine right offhand I can't think of a more hyper-macho environment than the Marine Corps and yet there seem to be quite a few gays who desire to be in that environment.
I think you are indulging in unwarranted stereotyping of both gay and straight males.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)'gross-out' comedies and so on. The same goes for TV - there is loads of entertainment that is not "obviously tough, brutish, or violent".
reformist2
(9,841 posts)I will venture to say that of all the warped "straight guy" cultural themes, this is probably the least problematic.
Shivering Jemmy
(900 posts)We laud Shakespeare's plays as high art, but they are stuffed full of lowbrow and boorish comedy.
And don't even get me started about the Canterbury Tales.
cali
(114,904 posts)then ever in the past.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)teenagebambam
(1,592 posts)They are far more likely to ridicule or be offended by something perceived as hyper-masculine than something perceived as "gay". These kids just don't care about sexuality differences anymore, the issue is settled for the vast majority of them.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)In other words, that so many boys being obsessed with shoot-em-up videogames is basically the free market at work, that no peer pressure is involved in making them avoid other types of entertainment?
Shivering Jemmy
(900 posts)because it was fun. Not because it had a slick marketing campaign (it didn't) and not because my friends liked it (they had no idea what it was).
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Edweird
(8,570 posts)Lightbulb_on
(315 posts)I don't think the claim of "hyper violent" applies.
Teenagers today come across as overly sensitive and weak.
As far as looking or acting "girly", modern fashion has blurred gender lines more than ever. Skinny jeans, "guy liner" etc... Etc...
Also, just because musicals aren't in fashion, it doesn't mean it is a jab at gay culture.
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)Hasn't been this low since the 1960s