Liberals are responsible for this tragedy

[DainBramaged]

Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:33:39 AM by Thad Lost

In light of a tragedy like the shooting at Newton yesterday, the immediate reaction of conservatives is to mourn and offer our sympathies and prayers for the victims. The immediate reaction of liberals is to politicize the issue.

When we are engaged in a war for our freedom, we cannot allow the left simply dominate the narrative while we act as decent human beings.

There is one simple truth here. Guns were not responsible for what happened yesterday. Liberals were.

How?

The school at Newton like schools everywhere was declared “gun free” zones.

Why don’t we just put up a big sign here that says, “DEFENESLESS TARGETS IN THIS BUILDING!”

The left has succeeded in pushing gun control and the end result has been perfectly predictable. Everywhere gun control is imposed, violent crime rises. Washington DC has some of the most draconian gun control laws around. It is also racked with violent crime. Ditto Nanny State Queen Michael Bloomberg’s hellhole called New York City. Citizens are defenseless but criminals didn’t get the memo. They sill have guns.


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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2968992/posts


(I NEVER go here, but I got a heads up from a friend about this one)


These people are monsters, fucking monsters.

[morningfog]

1. Essentially the same arguments are being made in the DU gungeon.

[Bjorn Against]

5. I would not be surprised if the same person who wrote that posts in our gungeon

The gungeon seems to be a safe haven for Freeper types.

[etherealtruth]

6. oh, not just the gungeon

There is an idiot(s) spouting the NRA talking point of: "Never let a good tragedy go to waste"


Our insistense of gun control is the most compassionate homage to the victims I can think of .... we have kept our mouths shut for far too long.

[Walk away]

7. You went to the gungeon?

I could not stand to. Thank goodness none of them have the nerve to come up to the surface after this.

[Bjorn Against]

12. Oh a few of them did come to the surface

There was a pro-gun post in GD last night that said the deaths were "just like paying taxes, they are the price of freedom." I was not too happy with the mass murder of children being compared to paying taxes to say the least, but a longtime right-leaning DUer actually posted that.

[Walk away]

31. That is one sick group of people! nt

[Bjorn Against]

2. I love how they open by claiming liberals are the ones who politicize the issue...

Then the writer blames the whole thing on liberals, gee that is not politicizing it at all now is it. There is so much obvious projection and hypocrisy in that post it blows my mind.

[DainBramaged]

4. The first comment was spot on

The shooter was solely responsible, yet this asshat refuses to accept that.

[byeya]

16. I think it's more accurate to say the shooter was responsible abetted by the gunsuckers.

[Walk away]

3. It's been said before. One of the teachers had a gun.

Her son killed her with it and the used it to kill 28 children and adults. More guns do not make us more safe.

[morningfog]

8. Here is the canned response to that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=92603

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. She wasn't a teacher at that school. She didn't work there.

At least one parent said Lanza's mother was a substitute teacher there. But her name did not appear on a staff list. And the official said investigators were unable to establish any connection so far between her and the school.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/14/3965786/school-shooting-reported-in-newtown.html#storylink=cpy

[Walk away]

28. "What's the Matter With Kansas?" What's your point?

The woman had a gun and instead of it making her safer it got her killed. If she didn't have guns in her house there is at least a chance that none of this would have happened.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Why are you addressing me like that?

What does where I live have to do with the topic?

I'm choosing not to respond further.

[DefenseLawyer]

10. It's the cowboy myth that saturates this country

These people are convinced that their guns make them heroes and that if only they had been their with their guns they would have been John Wayne and saved the day.

[Honeycombe8]

15. I think there are instances where the public having guns would save lives....

for instance, in the Gafford incident...but I don't see teachers having guns as being any help in this situation.

In the Gafford incident....his gun jammed or he had to reload. There would've been time to shoot him at that time, even though the crowd had been taken by surprise. I think they ended up wrestling him to the ground and getting his gun, while he was reloading or something.

In the movie theatre, a gun in the audience might have helped. Too many people for the shooter to keep an eye on, esp since it was dark. Someone could've shot him, w/o him ever being aware what hit him. He was standing up, outlined against the light of the screen, presumably. But who knows? There are no easy answers to surprise domestic terrorism.

[exboyfil]

17. I would like a news magazine to sponsor

simulations with a few typical CCW holders to see how effective it really would have been. Obviously the presence of guns is no deterent to these folks who want to do maximum carnage.

I think the obvious solution is to limit the capability and ability to get off numerous shots at a time.

[Honeycombe8]

21. I think the presence of guns IS a deterrent. They specifically choose places where they know

the victims will not have guns. They're not brave. They're cowards.

Even the soldier who shot his comrades knew they weren't allowed to have loaded guns in that area.

The mall shooter knew shoppers wouldn't be armed. Most people aren't.

They don't go to, say, gun shows, to kill lots of people, since they know they'd be shot dead before they had a chance to kill very many.

There's a reason that marshal's hired to sit incognito on airplanes are armed. When faced with an armed, evil person, it is most effective to have an armed person to deal with him. You're limited otherwise, as we've seen.

But in a school...it seems particularly dangerous to have loaded weapons around. They'd have to be locked up, which makes them almost useless. And the likelihood of a child getting injured by the gun w/o a shooter around is more likely than a mass murderer coming in, IMO.

But if someone wants to kill a lot of people in a free society, there's not much that can be done about it. Some gun restrictions would be helpful (and many states have some)), though, to keep the incidents down, or the # of victims down.

[Hoyt]

18. Sorry, I don't believe a word of that. A bunch of yahoos playing cowboy will just make things worse.

It's time to take action against those who promote, carry, profit from, and cherish guns in our society.

[Honeycombe8]

24. In what way? There are 280 million guns in the country. There's no way to round those up...

and do we want to live in a country where the government goes door to door to search people's homes? All the people will do is bury the guns in the backyard.

Seems to me a waiting period for purchasing would help, a ban on glocks and assault weapons, and PR against a culture of violence. Possibly control of violent video games (I really do think that desensitizes youth to violence...it objectifies people being killed). I don't see violent movies in the same way. Video games are different....young people spend hours a day, days on end, playing them. The exposure is much more, and the player takes an active part.

We can see it in the Middle East. People raised for generations in war-like environment. They become desensitized to it. It becomes a way of life. They have no idea what it's like to grow up and live in a peaceful environment; totally foreign to them.

[Hoyt]

25. No - How about all those self-proclaimed "responsible, law-abiding gun owners" start acting like it.

Time for the gun apologists to just shut the f#*k up for awhile. Sorry to be so blunt, but I've heard enough of their delaying and obfuscation tactics for one life-time.

[Honeycombe8]

27. Responsible gun owners are not against gun restrictions. That you think so...

may mean you're just unfamiliar with guns and gun owners.

You're reacting to a situation by blaming people who have done nothing to contribute to the mass killings, because of a THING that they own and, for reasons you don't understand, sometimes enjoy owning. There are gun collectors, antique and new guns, skeet shooters, hunters (a horrible hobby, IMO). These people are, by and large, different from the gun nuts you're thinking of. But your understanding is not required. Different people have different interests.

Not all gun owners are the same. I am guessing you are just unfamiliar and possibly afraid of guns. My grandpa had a gun collection. My brother has a gun collection (or at least he did, before some were stolen). I have a gun for protection. One of my sisters has a gun for protection. My ex had guns, for his horrible hunting hobby. Most gun owners respect guns for the damage they can do, and don't play around with them.

The NRA gun nuts are different.

[Hoyt]

30. Wrong. Not only do I know gun culture, I know our Democratic gungeoneers well too.

Yes, their abuse and love of guns, support for lax gun laws, and worse, contributed to what happened yesterday. In fact, it seems clear that mom and/or dad brought Lanz up in the gun culture. And there are a lot like Mr. and Mrs. Lanz.

[spanone]

11. FUCK the teaparty nation....TWICE

[Gidney N Cloyd]

13. And, as liberals, we'll pause and consider the other side's point and our measure of culpability

when we should say FUCK THAT BULLSHIT and charge ahead on rational gun control!

[Hoyt]

19. Yes. Although, I'm for gun control that the gun nutz/lovers view as "irrational."

[Gidney N Cloyd]

23. That's not a tall hurdle.

[Hoyt]

26. True. They freak over any type of control proposal.

The thought of not having a gun tucked somewhere while standing in line at Chuck E Cheese freaks them out.

[MrScorpio]

14. Wingers will always telegraph what they're about to do by accusing liberals of doing it

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They say that Liberals are "politicizing the issue", then they themselves go on a self-righteous campaign of politicization.

They are the Kings and Queens of Projection.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. +1

[ananda]

20. Ermm..

What is political about the demand for public safety and protection from gun violence?

Don't conservatives have the same issue?

[lunatica]

22. The town's name is Newtown, not Newton.

That's his first fucking error right there. In the first sentence no less.

[Permanut]

32. Thanks for the alert on this, Dain..

I know we're reluctant to link to Freeperville or give them any attention, but the Newtown massacre is a truly extraordinary event, and it is extremely helpful, to me anyway, to have a little idea what the hatemongers are up to.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. Every time I click on an FR link, I regret it.

They're fucking insane. They blame liberals, Clinton and Ritalin.