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rbnyc

(17,045 posts)
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:20 PM Dec 2012

Just my two cents.

One of the consequences of war is the leftover minefields that have to be disarmed so that people don’t get blown up walking to work or school, or playing outside. The abundance of automatic and semi-automatic weapons is like a leftover minefield that carpets our whole society, legally and illegally accessible to criminals, the severely deranged, and healthy, responsible people alike.

The second amendment provides for the right of the people to bear arms, “a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state.” There is debate about whether this amendment is "antiquated.” I tend to believe it is our gun regulations that are antiquated, and there are many good reasons to pursue more effective policies.

But I think it’s easier for people to pour themselves into arguments about gun control and the second amendment than it is to address the one of the more potent roots of our societal crisis – and that is the military industrial complex, the profit motive, the corporate/government virus that depends upon a culture of war and crime for its own proliferation.

As long as a minority of profiteers benefit from the mass distribution of such weaponry, no amount of regulation is going to have deep impact. And while I am committed to the idea that we should strive for peaceful revolution, I don’t think it’s wise to fuck with the second amendment – which may be antiquated only in that we have already surrendered to the oppressive regime of corporate totalitarianism.

Just my two cents.

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Just my two cents. (Original Post) rbnyc Dec 2012 OP
If there is an unlimited legal market for guns.... Walk away Dec 2012 #1
Do you think I said that... rbnyc Dec 2012 #2
The only way you are going to be able to control an industry that is producing a product.... Walk away Dec 2012 #3
The recent HSBC settlement... rbnyc Dec 2012 #4

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
1. If there is an unlimited legal market for guns....
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:31 PM
Dec 2012

the free market will produce and distribute them. What about that don't you understand or agree with?

The 2nd Amendment is a poorly written piece of bull shit if it hasn't clearly limited gun ownership to a well regulated militia. It is obvious that was it's original intent but was apparently so poorly authored that the Supreme Court can't understand that. Maybe it just needs to be edited to reflect the original intent so that people can't convoluted and twist it into a shape that allows them to create this deadly market.

rbnyc

(17,045 posts)
2. Do you think I said that...
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:37 PM
Dec 2012

...there should be an unlimited legal market? I didn't say that and don't believe that so I'm sorry if I didn't communicate well. I think we do need to pursue policies to limit access...

...but we can't do that alone. We have to attack the deeper problems, one of them being an entrenched arms industry.

I actually don't know how to be more clear. I am saying that the profit motive is the problem and we need to control the industry instead of the industry controlling us.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
3. The only way you are going to be able to control an industry that is producing a product....
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:54 PM
Dec 2012

that is legal for Americans to own is to make them illegal or less legal.

rbnyc

(17,045 posts)
4. The recent HSBC settlement...
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:44 PM
Dec 2012

...should be a good illustration of how corporations don't only profit off the legal market. Regulating the legal market will not stop the flood of these weapons into our culture.

I am not sure what strategy to use, but I'm talking about taking on the military industrial complex, our culture of war and the profiteers who benefit from automatic and semi automatic weapons being bought and sold legally and illegally.

The abundance of such weaponry is the byproduct of an industry that is part of the web of corporate totalitarianism that has all but replaced our democracy.

Let's work toward sensible gun control, but let's not expect it to be meaningful in the age of a fully realized military industrial complex.

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