An open source project to shut down the NRA

[Shivering Jemmy]

I have no beef with gun owners. We'll never make guns illegal in this country. We probably even shouldn't. But we can decrease the outsize influence that the NRA has on our politics and maybe allow us to bring the hammer down a bit with some more restrictive gun laws.

How? By making NRA membership such a social stigma that any person accused of it will stammer and hem and haw and deny it with a vehemence reserved for accused sex offenders.

Scrape NRA associated web sites for any member names, articles about members and add those names to a public registry.

Take pictures of NRA bumper stickers and use reverse license lookup to get their names. Put then on the registry.

The point is SHAME. Don't invite these people to your Christmas party. Don't invite them into your house. Don't let your kids play with each other. They must be made untouchables.

[Indydem]

1. I can assure you, as an NRA member, we will wear your hate with pride.

Your hate is part of the problem, you just don't even see it.

[Shivering Jemmy]

2. You're my enemy.

And not worth talking to. Goodbye.

[NoMoreWarNow]

3. WTF? If you are part the NRA, you NEED to work to change things there.

[Indydem]

6. What exactly would one work to change?

What exactly does the NRA do that upsets you so?

Really. Not some bullshit about how they want children to die in gunfights. Not how they want criminals to have guns.

Really.

[Hoyt]

17. You are kidding? NRA leadership - Grover Norquist, Ted Nugent, John Bolton, gun profiteers, & worse.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. You shit me

They and their pals at ALEC have been behind the loosening of gun laws. The leadership is even against background checks, which members want.

I want the NRA to get out of politics and go back to safety classes, only.

[Lizzie Poppet]

11. I agree.

I took the easy way out: I cancelled my membership (a Lifetime Membership gifted to me when I was little) over a decade ago. I got fed up with how the hyper-political fringe took over (LaPierre and his crew...) and turned the organization into little more than a wing of the RNC. Perhaps I should have stuck around to fight that trend...but I just didn't see that as a winnable fight. Gotta pick your battles...

[JanMichael]

4. You give money to that shitty organization?

I liked them in the 70's; they are a parady of what they used to be. I would be ashamed if I were you. BTW, I have owned guns my entire adult life...don't bother lecturing me. I gave up my NRA membership when the kooks took over.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

5. You have the blood of children on your hands, wear it pride asshole. nt

[Indydem]

9. How do I, or anyone else in America, have blood on our hands?

This is the kind of ludicrous statement that makes responsible gun owners harden their beliefs against gun control, democrats, and any real solution to gun violence. Keep it up - your actions will surely make progress.

[Lizzie Poppet]

13. "Collective guilt"

Yeah, I know...an utterly irrational concept. But this isn't a rational moment in America...tragedies tend to make us freak out (see: 9/11).

[Indydem]

18. Ahhh, yes. One person does something terrible so we are ALL guilty.

I guess today every autistic person is guilty.

Every 20 year old.

Ever man.

Every gun owner.

Every American.

I get it now.

[morningfog]

28. Are you hardening against "democrats?"

[rDigital]

49. Collective punishment is a fascist concept. Duly noted. nt

[spanone]

7. 'we will wear your hate with pride' spoken like the nra i know and wish to abolish

[Kingofalldems]

8. Pretty sure the NRA were supporters of Mitt Romney

True?

[Indydem]

10. Well by all means, if an organization ever supports anyone I don't believe in...

I should abandon the things that I believe.

[Kingofalldems]

16. Don't follow your post but just found out

the NRA endorsed Romney/Ryan in early October.

[Kingofalldems]

36. Anything associated with Grover Norquist

is a republican organization. Don't even go there.

[hack89]

37. I am not a NRA member.

I do understand electoral reality. There are Dems in office that will not help you destroy the NRA.

[Chan790]

44. Then maybe they need to be listed and targeted with big money for primary defeat. n/t

[hack89]

46. A bloody internal war is exactly what the Democratic party needs.

here we have the chance in 2014 to retake the House and fighting other Democrats should be our priority instead?

[Chan790]

48. Integrity and inviolate principles are *really* exactly what the Democratic party needs...

in times like this.

[CitizenPatriot]

70. correction

No elected official will go after the NRA until it's politically feasible to do so. Those who lost their seats trying sent a message to the rest of the Democrats.

Money (NRA) talks, and people buy the BS propaganda of the corporate lobbyists. If you blame the current Democrats for doing what every official has to do to keep their seat, you're part of the problem because the NEXT person will do the same thing until we attack the cancer of the NRA's political influence.

We need to let them know we support gun control and that we are the majority. that will change things more than trying to get them to stop being scared of the money the NRA uses to tell lies about Democrats.

[Major Nikon]

40. The NRA didn't endorse Reid in his last election

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41538.html

[hack89]

42. My bad - sorry. nt

[2naSalit]

23. FYI

just in case you would like to make some considerations...

http://www.muckety.com/Grover-G-Norquist/3963.muckety

[rDigital]

50. They also endorse Ted Strickland from Ohio. nt

[ThoughtCriminal]

12. I wasn't going to REC this

You changed my mind.

[Indydem]

20. Why would I hump a gun?

That sounds extremely uncomfortable.

[mokawanis]

31. That's your response???

Juvenile sarcasm?

If a belligerent and sarcastic attitude is the best you can do all you're going to accomplish is to reinforce the contempt so many of us have for the NRA and it's supporters.

[Lizzie Poppet]

38. Sorry, but the post to which he responded deserved no better.

Calling someone a "gun humping asshole" doesn't deserve a civil, substantive reply. It deserves to be hidden...which it was.

[MineralMan]

15. If you contribute to the NRA, you are contributing to an

organization dedicated to electing Republicans to office, nationwide. It is that simple. You are actively supporting the campaigns of Republicans.

Not to mention the fact that your membership information is sold by that organization to people who want to solicit you about political campaigns.

Finally, I will guarantee you that should there ever be a confiscation of firearms in this country, the government will have all of the membership records of the NRA in very short order.

The NRA sucks. It sucks in many ways. It is an arm of the Republican Party. You are a supporter of the Republican Party if you are a member. It is that simple.

[Indydem]

22. While 88% of NRA contributions go to Repukes - 12% do go to Dems.

All you have to do to get money from the NRA is have a strong pro-second amendment stance and record.

What does it say about so many Democrats that they cannot say that their position is such?

I am a Democrat, and proudly so, but I will never agree with so many on this board about their fantasy of gun control.

[MineralMan]

25. To Bluedog Democrats.

You are a donor to Republican candidates and to right-wing lobbying efforts. Take a look at the Board of Directors of the NRA. They're the ones deciding what to support with your money.

I own firearms, too. I could never in my life contribute to the NRA. I am in absolute opposition to their politics. Apparently, that is not of much concern to you. Do you have any idea how many millions were spent by the NRA to campaign against President Obama? Your money went there. Wise up.

[Indydem]

29. And do you know how many millions went to alot of GREAT things?

Gun safety?

Gun training?

Youth gun seminars that teach RESPECT for firearms?

And yes, lobbying. To make sure that the second amendment is not infringed.

I will leave the NRA when a democrat leaning organization that performs similar important services arises. Let me know whenever that happens.

[Indydem]

43. No response huh? Thats sad. Admitting that the NRA does a lot of good things is the first step.

Forming a left-leaning organization to do the same is the second.

[Chan790]

45. If we curb widespread gun-ownership in America...

we need less of all of those things.

As a result of this incident, restrictive new gun laws are a certainty...you might want to consider how you want to support and shape those laws to minimize gun incidents while maintaining a "freedom" rather than get bowled over by the wave of support for a broader ban.

So should the NRA.

[Indydem]

47. "A Certainty"

I think you should re-examine your reality.

The DU may want more laws, and even the President has started down this losing path.

Americans do not want more gun laws and this tragedy being exploited by anti-gun crazies will not make any impact.

[smirkymonkey]

67. "Democrat" leaning organization?

Dead giveaway. That, and the NRA membership.

[leftyohiolib]

32. a strong 2nd amendment stance would take the guns out of your hands-unless you're part of a

well-regulated militia that has been deemed to be necessary

[slackmaster]

33. The 2A does not say that only members of a militia have the right to own arms

All rights exist except those that have been explicitly removed through due process.

[leftyohiolib]

73. i guess that's true what it does say is that unless u are part of a "well-regulated" militia

your right to carry arms IS ALLOWED TO BE INFRINGED UPON. Therefore unless you are part of a w.r.m. the government IS allowed to infringe upon your "right" to carry and is allowed to take your guns even if they have to pry it from you.

[slackmaster]

74. No, it actually doesn't say that either. Here's what it really means.

Because an armed population proficient in the use of weapons is needed to ensure the safety of all of the people, the government cannot make it illegal for people to have and use weapons.

The premise of the importance of an armed population was certainly true in the late 18th century. It may no longer be true, but the proscription on banning weapons is still the law of the land.

[morningfog]

27. Don't you have an NRA/RW gun site to pollute?

[Phlem]

34. What a POS

you and you ilk are what's wrong with this country.

Hope to never see you here again.



-p

[Logical]

57. I am pro-gun but realize the NRA is ONLY a wing of the GOP and all right wing nuts. Wow, look at...

their board of directors. Right wing nuts all of them.

[_ed_]

62. You NRA people ARE the problem

The useful idiots of the gun and ammo corporations and Republican politicians.

[CitizenPatriot]

69. please explain

how his "hate" (i.e., wanting to take the political fangs out of the corporate gun manufactures; aka the NRA) is "part of the problem."

How exactly is wanting the NRA to lose their political clout part of the problem that resulted in dead children?

Corporations profits =lobbying = NRA = what in the Hell are you saying?

[we can do it]

72. FUCK THE NRA FUCKING PERIOD

FUCK YOUR GOD DAMN GUNS
FUCK THE NRA

[slackmaster]

24. My brother, his wife, and their children are all NRA members

Your idea is not a good one.

[MineralMan]

26. So, they all donated to an organization that spent millions

to campaign against President Obama. You're proud of that. I say shut the NRA down. Are you a member and Republican donor, too?

[slackmaster]

30. My brother is a Republican. Did I say I was proud of that fact?

ETA I am very proud of him as a person BTW. He's a real leader, and a man of great integrity.

ETA2 Blood is thicker than politics in my family. We have a big extended one with a very wide range of attitudes about a lot of things, but we love each other and get along very well.

[Logical]

59. The NRA is a right wing organization. Pure and simple. Ask Ted Nugent. Wow!

[erinlough]

35. So funny, I have been putting gun nut posters on ignore for 24 hrs

Now out of 34 posts on this thread I can only see 3! I must be getting the right ones hidden. Good idea by the way.

[rrneck]

39. How many of those stigmitized are members of the 99%?

How many are members of a union, or should be? How many are political centrists who might vote for a Democrat if they thought it would help them?

Single issue despite is no way to build a political coalition.

[ZombieHorde]

41. Yikes! What a scary OP.

I'm not going to teach my kids to hate people. WTF?

[Phlem]

52. So we can't protect our kids from these people else

we're hater's? Really!!!!????

So Jim Bob's right to to have as many guns and bullets as he can trumps a parents right to watch their kid grow up?



-p

[ZombieHorde]

58. The plan in the OP doesn't protect anyone.

It teaches an "us versus them" mentality.

The plan in the OP doesn't address the body of your post either.

[Phlem]

63. Bullshit

It's his way of protecting his own and doing what he thinks is right, that doesn't mean I condone it, but I will do what ever it takes to protect my child against "gun enthusiasts".



-p

[ZombieHorde]

64. Sure, but aren't gun enthusiasts also doing what they think will best protect their family?

I think we should talk to each other, not ostracize each other.

[rDigital]

51. Because lists of the common people as enemies are always a good thing. nt

[Phlem]

53. right, so

someone with 5 AK-47's and a boat load of ammo reflects the common man.

-p

[Wind Dancer]

54. This post is ridiculous!

I can't believe you're serious and posting this BS now.

The NRA is a disgusting organization but your solutions in dealing with the problem are juvenile, at best.

[rDigital]

56. Beyond juvenile. Dangerous and bigoted. nt

[Wind Dancer]

65. Notice how the poster has not responded?

I'm always suspicious of newbies starting flame bait threads.

[whistler162]

60. Next Planned Parenthood or maybe the ACLU!

[rDigital]

61. How would you react to RWers publishing a list of abortion doctors with addresses and schedules?

Lists of enemies are very poor ideas.

[LiberalEsto]

66. They already do. Your point? nt

[rDigital]

71. You wanna be like them? nt

[brooklynite]

68. Here's why this is a foolish undertaking...

(from someone who isn't a member of the NRA,doesn't own a gun and supports stronger gun laws)

The NRA is a reflection of its members: people who DO own guns, belive in their right to (for a variety of reasons) and are concerned enough to join an organization that advocates for those rights. To target the NRA leadership as some stand-alone political group with no links to its membership is as irresponsible as Republicans blaming Pro-Democratic Union Leaders for their political activites, and implyi that Union members needed to be protected from them.

Add to that, shaming the MEMBERS of e NRA would have the same result as Mitt Romney's "47 pct" comments: a backlash from the people you're going to need to have on yoursode if you want to have any realistic chance of chNging the lWs we have today.