FUCK THE NRA AND ALL GUN OWNERS

[gopiscrap]

if you own a gun, you're part of the problem...I am so sick and tired of everyone apologizing for the NRA and owning an object designed for one thing: bodily harm

[Logical]

1. You can hate the NRA and still own guns. Many on this forum do.

[baldguy]

34. You mean many claim to.

They whine & cry about how horrible the NRA is - then they post the exact same lies, distortions, propaganda & talking points from the NRA. (But then, you knew that.)

Unfortunately for these people, nobody is swallowing their shit anymore.

[Logical]

38. I hate the NRA, have many posts to prove it. And not ONE that defends them. You can own guns....

and hate the NRA. I do. Many do.

The NRA supporters are all republicans, at least 90% of them. Period. They donate 85% of their money to the GOP and 15% to dems to make it look like they are unbiased.

When an organization like the NRA had Ted Nugent on their board then you know they are a farce.

[baldguy]

44. You do realize

That saying "I'm not NRA, but here's a bunch of NRA talking points..." is an NRA talking point, right?

Well, the rest of us do.

[Logical]

51. LOL, you don't know much about the NRA.....

The NRA talking point is "everyone needs to be armed". Show ONE post where I said anything CLOSE to that.

The NRA talking point is "Obama will take your guns".

The NRA talking point is "private sales should be allowed". I am 100% for allowing background checks on private sales.

Since you seems to be so vocal this week, post ANY post where I discuss NRA talking points. I will be waiting.

[DrDan]

52. "allowing background checks"

how about "requiring background checks" on ANY sale

[axetogrind]

62. All firearms sales, including private sales.

should require background checks, matter of fact, I'll go one better, all firearms sales should go through an FFL dealer, no exceptions.

Oh and fuck the NRA and the horse they rode in on. I hope they self destruct.

[baldguy]

58. This is just a small sample of the RW NRA talking points you've promoted over the last couple days..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021990151#post1

"You can hate the NRA and still own guns."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021998404#post114

(Slap a huge tax on ammo, gun powder etc) "...WOULD NOT stop mass shootings. Money was not a factor in the decision!!!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021999841

"The ONLY way to stop mass shootings is to ban all gun and gun possession. Nothing else would have prevented this weeks disaster!"

But then you go on to say that this reasonable solution would be impossible to implement - even though dozens of other countries have done exactly that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021976703#post42

"Jesus, for the millionth damn time, what is your fucking solution to remove 300 million legal guns from gunowners in the United States. I want a real fucking answer! Not just complaining."

Just because you're to stupid to imagine it (or that the NRA doesn't allow you to), it must be impossible.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021999841#post13

"No, even if 1/2 the people died it is worth it. But they will never stop 100%."

Because no gun control is 100% effective, we can't do anything.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021999841#post14

"Many countries have a lot of guns but not our murder rate."

Very few countries actually have anywhere near the number of guns we have - and therefor don't have anywhere near the murder rate we have. And none are industrialized Western-style democracies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021995914#post28

"Security guard also? Cop? What about carrying a baseball bat? Is that armed?"

Equating bats, knives & other non-weapon non-firearms as being exactly the same as guns is a favorite NRA rhetorical tactic.

[Logical]

59. Baldguy, you are really not a deep thinker......

Which of those statements is wrong?

LOL, you think the NRA said "You can hate the NRA and still own guns." LOL, really, the NRA thinks you can hate the NRA and still own guns?

OK, you also spouted "dozens of other countries have done exactly that". What other country had 300 million guns in public, and a high murder rate, and collected all of them?

You obviously didn't read the thread about the baseball bat or would would know it was about open carry and not bats.

Baldguy, you have posted so much about how I AM WRONG in saying you will never stop a lone nut.

OK, since you think this is a easy problem to solve, and seem to be so much smarter than ANYONE, we all await your solution to this problem!

But I am sure you will respond with wither some smartass comment or nothing.

Please respond with your solution to this problem Shit, the whole country is waiting!!!

[MineralMan]

41. I own firearms.

I would never join the NRA. That organization fights against progressives and Democrats constantly. It is completely incompatible with my views.

The NRA sucks, because instead of being a firearms organization, it is now a purely political organization, and on the ultra-conservative side.

And that's not shit, baldguy.

[axetogrind]

45. Hear, hear.

I too own several rifles and guns and have never been a member of the NRA, nor will I ever be. I also don't consider myself part of the gun violence problem in this country.
My firearms are locked in a safe in my house when not in use.

[WooWooWoo]

2. oookay

isn't that like saying anyone who smokes pot is responsible for the mexican drug lords reign of terror in Mexico?

[slackmaster]

3. Your zeal is remarkable

I just made a remark about it.

[Loudly]

4. They truly are all discredited by their own abhorrent beliefs. n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. Another Zombie rises

Shares United

[Hoyt]

6. So are those who own guns, and promote (directly or indirectly) more guns in more places.

[former-republican]

10. This is why we can't have a discussion on common sense gun control laws on this board

[Indydem]

12. When someone says that all gun owners are part of the problem...

It is as counter productive as possible.

You do the math.

[former-republican]

13. I'm agreeing with you

[HappyMe]

17. +1

From what I have seen when GD is allowed to be inundated with gun threads, it's both sides yelling past one another.
Attitudes like that of the op, make discussion impossible.

[graham4anything]

26. Discussion is possible

just don't engage the pro-gun people at all

All posters who are anti-gun, like myself, should keep the conversation going and let the other anti-gun side speak, but don't engage them

keep the conversation civil

and let the OP be what is important to agree with or expand it

[MotherPetrie]

9. K&R. MSE.

[Lizzie Poppet]

11. "all gun owners"

Calm down a bit. It will do wonders for your critical thinking skills.

[ThatPoetGuy]

29. It is hilarious to see DU's most rage-driven and irrational posters

speaking in favor of critical thinking skills.

[Lizzie Poppet]

30. Oh, there's plenty of hilarity, to be sure.

Your attempt at bullshit amateur psychoanalysis, for example...

In any case, now that I realize you have nothing to offer but personal insults and flagrant lies about posters you disagree with, welcome to ignore.

[Hugabear]

36. If you're not filled with rage after dozens of children were murdered...

Then you're part of the problem.

[axetogrind]

46. I'm filled with rage and sorrow for the innocent lives lost.

But at the same time, I'm not part of the problem just because I own firearms.

[Logical]

18. What a fucking joke the jury system has become. No logic, only emotions. The old admins....

knew to leave their personal belief out of it.

[ThatPoetGuy]

28. Poor baby.

If you hate DU so much, maybe you should leave.

[Logical]

31. No, I will stay here to annoy people lik you!

[ThatPoetGuy]

43. I know you will.

You've driven dozens of actual liberals off this site. Congratulations.

[jody]

60. Agree. nt

[gopiscrap]

25. Ha Ha buddy you lost on this one!!!

[slackmaster]

32. Yes I did, and that won't stop me from fighting against bigotry and extremism

[Hugabear]

37. Dozens of children are MURDERED and you're more concerned with keeping your guns?

Then fuck you too.

Feel free to alert on this, as I'm sure you probably will anyways.

[slackmaster]

40. Pardon me if I don't appreciate being insulted and blamed for crimes that I didn't commit

Che Guevara was a murdering shithead, BTW. He SHOT people dead with GUNS.

[letemrot]

56. It is amazing..

That if we are gun owners it is acceptable to denigrate and blame us for the ills of the nation. All the 'fuck you gun owner' threads and irrational vitriol get to stand. I don't have a lot of posts but I have been a member for 2+ years and I lurked for years before that. If any other demographic were insulted this way it would be hell to pay.

[JohnnyRingo]

15. You're casting a rather wide net there.

A lot of good liberal democrats own guns and pose no threat to you, the country, or the party. Even Michael Moore owns guns, and is a lifetime member of the NRA.

So does this young lady, and I doubt she wants to give up her antique Henry Rifle for your "security" and insatiable peace of mind.

[HockeyMom]

27. Look at her face

Look at her eyes. Is she HAPPY and SMILING? No, I would not want to be around her, thank you very much.

[Robb]

33. I believe that's Rachel Maddow.

[axetogrind]

35. You do know that's Rachael Maddow right?

She's a avid shooter and owns guns.

[Logical]

39. LOL, now you hate Rachel Maddow?

[Lizzie Poppet]

42. Really? I always thought I'd enjoy a chat with Rachel Maddow.

Then again, I don't go around grinning all the time, either...

[slackmaster]

47. I think she's a fine journalist and I wouldn't mind sitting with her for a cup of coffee

Or a glass of wine.

[HockeyMom]

49. Not be any where around her

when she has a gun. I don't do that with my husband. I will NOT go to the range with him, not even shooting, just being there.

I just plain don't want to be anywhere around somebody with a gun, period.

I still say I don't like the way she, or anybody, looks when they are shooting. Holdover, maybe, from when I was a kid.

[Codeine]

50. I'd happily crawl over broken glass to have a conversation with Rachel Maddow. nt

[JohnnyRingo]

63. I watch her on the Rachel Maddow show every night.

I must be absolutely a sick individual.

Then again, she may have the same determined look on her face when she's writing copy for the show.

[rainlillie]

48. I know Ed Schultz is a gun owner, I didn't know Rachel was one too. I don't have a problem

with responsible gun owners.

[JohnnyRingo]

64. Don't look now....

but some are plotting to tombstone you for such wing-nut speech.

Democrats used to be so tolerant and looser fitting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022002543

[ProgressiveProfessor]

16. Address the need for lethal self protection and the overall level of violence in society and your

goals will be realized.

I know few gun nuts that are the stereotype being used here. I do know many more people who feel that they need something to protect themselves since the cops are never there in real time and are sometimes part of the problem.

I taught firearms to mostly GLBTs. These are people who are under a much higher level of threat than most of us. It wasn't because they lived in bad neighborhoods or because of the company they kept, its just because of who they are. It sometimes follows them home. They are also the kind of people who would disarm when the threat is gone. Address those issues before you would leave them bare and vulnerable.

The real issue is the sickness of violence in our society. Weapons that some are upset about have been available to US civilians since the end of WWI, but the level of violence in our society has risen sharply. Once we address that and its root causes, self defense gun ownership will plummet leaving mostly sport shooting and hunters.

[Edweird]

19. Like this woman here.... (She's prolly a tea bagger or something)

[slackmaster]

20. <raises hand> I KNOW! I KNOW!!!

Eleanor Roosevelt.

[SpartanDem]

21. She's not a true liberal

[jody]

23. That looks like Warm Springs Georgia. Is it? nt

[jody]

22. Shooting is an Olympic sport in which men and women compete. They all own firearms. You should focus

your argument on the shooter rather than the tool.

[letemrot]

57. Amen

Excellent,succinct post. Thank you.

[Jonny]

24. So many gun apologists.

Why are so many defending gun ownership, shooting and killing?

Guns are tools to kill with.

How does that fit into a right-to-life philosophy or a Christian philosophy?

Would Jesus want to see everbody packing concealed weapons as the gun enthusiasts on this site promote?

Would Jesus want to put armed guards and metal detectors in all the schools to criminalize the students and visiting parents?

I know... Let's make sure that every sperm turns into a human being so that we can shoot the kids when they reach kindergarten age.!

[L0oniX]

53. Fuck half of the DU membership? Every poll I've seen of DU over the past 5 years show that...

at least 50% of DU members own a gun or guns. Don't believe me? I don't care. You haven't been paying attention.

[HockeyMom]

65. Oh, I have seen those polls

There are xyz households with guns. Hmm. I live in a household with guns. Does that make ME too a gun owner? Absolutely NOT. I would not go anywhere near HIS guns. Don't depend on ME shooting some "boogie man" intruder. I'll run if I can, or use some other object that is handy. Been there, done that.

[napkinz]

54. new logo (from NoTeaParty on Facebook)

https://www.facebook.com/NoTeaParty

[KathieG]

55. I hate the NRA and everything they stand for. I am a responsible gun owner.

I am not part of the problem, and others like me are not part of the problem. My husband is in law enforcement, we are both progressive liberals and own a small farm. We have one firearm for home protection and for potential emergencies on the farm when we may have to quickly put an animal down. We actually had to put down a sick raccoon near our home last year that was likely afflicted with distemper and suffering.

Both of us have debated other gun owners we know countless times in regards to what kinds of firearms and ammunition should and should not be available to civilians, and what needs to be done to prevent any weapon from getting into the wrong hands. I have taken lumps to the point of being called a "liberal gun grabber" and now I am hearing things like "fuck all gun owners" from anti-gun people. I have been on both ends of a gun and know very well what a huge responsibility gun-ownership is. There plenty of assholes out there who own guns...I'm not one of them.

[rDigital]

61. Please read the Democratic Party Platform. You're barking up the wrong tree.

We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans’ Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements – like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole – so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

[ileus]

66. Preach it my brother...

[ellisonz]

67. NRA Crowd = SCUM