MSNBC just reported that this man's mother was a "survivalist" type

[Skidmore]

concerned with economic collapse and other such ideas. She stockpiled. Explains all the guns. They were talking to the kid's aunt, not sure whether paternal or maternal. She said he was a "good kid."

[FarCenter]

1. Wonder what her Freeper handle was?

[Hoyt]

12. Believe it or not, there are folks right here on DU that subscribe to that BS.

[CreekDog]

102. she illustrates how guns can reduce one's chances of survival

sorry to say.

the point is not to make fun of her, but to point out that guns purchased to make one safer almost always make one less safe.

[Indydem]

2. "All the guns?"

A rifle and a couple of hand guns qualifies as having a lot of guns now?

[Skidmore]

5. She apparently had more at home than the kid took.

Jesu, must you be obtuse in your defense of gun nuttery?

BTW, a display of weapons found in the school were a total of six, not just those three, and three is three more weapons than I keep in my house. Not everyone thinks a gun is a measure of how tough they are.

[RichGirl]

96. True courage....

...is to live your life without guns. People who amass guns are cowards. Thousands of people killed every year with guns. Wonder how many peoples lives were saved because someone had a gun. Maybe it happens, but I've never heard of a single incident. I'm sure the lives saved are small compared to he innocent life taken.

George Zimmermans fear caused him to kill someone for no reason at all. Fear kills...and guns make it fast.

[Indydem]

121. So if you hunt, or kill varmints, you are a coward???

What a ridiculous statement.

[Warren DeMontague]

136. Youre killing "varmints" with one of these, Yosemite Sam?

[rl6214]

138. A coyote is considered a varmint

ARs are great for them

[Warren DeMontague]

141. Well congratufuckinglations.

Find a different way to deal with coyotes. Because I find it totally fucking appalling that anyone in our civilized society can buy one of those fucking things, and hopefully finally something will be done about it.

[CreekDog]

105. he said today that we want to take away his freedoms

[democrattotheend]

6. It sounds like a lot of guns for one person to own

But that's just me. I grew up in the suburbs of a big city and I'm Jewish (i.e. no hunting tradition among most American Jews), and I have lived in big cities since I graduated high school. I think I have known three people in my life who own guns.

[Travis_0004]

19. I don think its a lot

Different guns have different purposes. I own 7 guns myself. I don't think that makes me a gun nut, I just happen to do different things with guns. I hunt with a 12 gauge shotgun, but when I go skeet shooting I use a 28 guage shotgun, different guns, different purposes.

[blueamy66]

42. What purpose do the other 5 serve?

nt

[Whovian]

71. I think that 7 guns would qualify as a gun nut.

I only own one hammer for driving nails.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

97. Not really...not with what I have read at this time

1 AR type rifle in .223
1 Unknown long gun
1 Glock (caliber unknown)
1 Sig Sauer (Caliber unknown)
2 historical rifles
1 shotgun (type/gauge unknown)

That is a not a survivalist or prepper collection. In fact its not much of a collection at all. Not enough combat or hunting guns, no .22LR, nothing long range.

The media could have this all fouled up...too soon to tell.


My hammer box has about a dozen hammers in it...all for different uses.

[Warren Stupidity]

112. Not to gun nuts. They see this as perfectly normal.

It is real easy to tell the gun nuts from the normal people.

[Ghost in the Machine]

115. How many times have you missed the nail and hit yourself in the head instead???

It seems like quite a few times, since you're comparing hammers to guns. You must not be much of a carpenter, or do-it-yourselfer, or you would have more than one hammer. Would you use a 28oz waffle headed hammer for driving a few finishing nails, or paneling nails, or would you have a smaller, smooth headed one in the 8 to 12oz range?? Do you know what wooden, or rubber, mallets are used for? Would you try to tear down a house, barn or shed with a framing hammer, or would you use an 8lb sledge hammer??

"I only own one hammer for driving nails.

[kwassa]

117. and how many different jobs do your guns require of you?

If you want to kill someone at a distance, you need the telescopic site, if you want to kill lots of people quickly up close, you use your semi-automatic, if you want to sneak up to kill someone you might hide an easy-to-conceal small pistol ..... It's all how you want to kill people, right?

[Indydem]

123. It's all about killing people to you anti-gun folks, isn't it.

I am 31 years old. I have been around guns my whole life. I own a number of guns. i have fired tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition.

I have killed zero people.

Raccoons and clay targets are another count entirely.

[Ghost in the Machine]

142. "It's all how you want to kill people, right?"

Man, I would hate to live inside the mind of someone like you, who thinks that all guns are for is killing people. Paranoid much?

and how many different jobs do your guns require of you?

Well that depends on whether I'm doing a drive-by shooting, which requires my SKS with the 20 round magazine.... or holding up a liquor store or pharmacy, which the 9mm works well for.... then there's the occasional sniping random motorists while perched in my tree stand overlooking the highway.... my 30.06 with its 4x9 scope works well for this. Oh, and I almost forgot about the occasional hit-job on people who don't pay up for the drugs from the pharmacy robberies.... the shotgun is best for that, can't trace the bullets from those, ya know.

Was that enough to feed your morbid bloodlust, or do you need more?

Now, truth be told, my 30.06 is for deer hunting, which I do on my own property, which is 15 acres out in the sticks. My SKS is for "just because I can Have it", and the shot gun is for home protection. I don't have the 9mm anymore, I sold it.

Shooting someone is too easy...and cowardly! If you're going to kill someone, have enough guts to do it hand to hand, face to face, giving them an equal chance to kill you if you're not strong enough to take them out.

Any more questions?

[kwassa]

146. I think most guns fall into "just because I can have it" category ....

Most people have no PRACTICAL use for any weapon.

[TalkingDog]

134. DU Hive mind. They think "I don't own a gun. So I'm the 'norm'. Anybody who isn't like me is WRONG."

Seriously. Anytime you read a comment from somebody who doesn't "know anybody who owns a gun" I will guarantee you they live in a high density population.

They forget that America is a large and diverse place. They think every body lives free of danger, without poisonous snakes or rabid animals, that the world is made of democratically dusted froo froo trees, sparkly with love and so their food falls off of them by magic and isn't picked by people who might get bitten by said "non-existent" snakes and rabid skunks, racoons and stray dogs.

[Warren DeMontague]

137. 6 bullets an hour.

If you need a greater firing rate than that to protect yourself from "stray dogs", find an animal warden.

[TalkingDog]

133. I own at least 3. But I consider myself a craftsperson.

There are heavier waffle headed hammers for framing
Medium weight for standard nails and general carpentry
and a tack hammer for finish work.

I also happen to own 3 guns:

An antique Ted Williams Sears and Roebuck shotgun I inherited from my mother
A small handgun also inherited from my mother
and a lightweight rifle.

Am I a hammer nut AND a gun nut? Or am I simply somebody who owns a lot of tools?

[rl6214]

139. I own four or five hammers

Bad analogy

[X_Digger]

143. I have at least nine hammers..

A framing hammer, two sledge hammers, a roofing hammer, a finish hammer (smooth face), a ball peen hammer, a dead blow hammer filled with lead shot, a rawhide hammer (for leather working), and a carving hammer (a big chunk of wood on a handle). I know I'm leaving out a couple of specialty hammers and duplicates.

At the same time, I have about the same number of guns, for various purposes and conditions- hunting small game, hunting birds, hunting large game long range, historical interest guns, various competitions, target practice, and home/self-defense.

Am I a "hammer" nut, too?

[etherealtruth]

7. I certainly would characterize it that way

"The contrast here is not only between the civility of the children and the cruelty of the shooter, but between what was asked of them at this moment and how little the public and elected officials ask of themselves when it comes to doing s...omething about gun violence. ... How do we find ourselves asking kindergarteners to be more courageous in the face of a gunman than politicians are in the face of the gun lobby?"

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2012/12/the-newtown-shooting-kindergarteners-and-courage.html

[Ilsa]

57. Very True. Or that it's only illegally obtained

weapons that wreak disaster and the deepest heartache.

[suffragette]

87. + 1,000

That quote from the New Yorker bears repeating:
How do we find ourselves asking kindergarteners to be more courageous in the face of a gunman than politicians are in the face of the gun lobby?"

[Comrade_McKenzie]

11. Yes. nt

[AldoLeopold]

16. She owned 5 guns and apparently didn't even teach there

And nobody needs a freaking AR-15. That's horse manure. She had in addition to the guns recovered at the scene and in the car a long rifle and something else.

GUN

NUT.

[Indydem]

20. You have such a narrow world view that it is hilarious.

Do you even understand what each of those guns are used for?

You don't buy just one gun and it serves all purposes.

Having 5 guns does not make you a gun nut, especially when they are all of different types.

And an AR-15 is PERFECT for a number of uses. I use mine for killing raccoons. The small caliber assures that it will not travel far if I miss. the semi-automatic nature allows me to put multiple rounds in the the menaces. You don't see it because you have a very narrow world view. I feel terribly sorry for you.

[DanTex]

29. LOL. Yeah, because gun fanatics like you have such open minded worldviews!

[AldoLeopold]

31. HAHAHAHA

And they still missed!!

[AldoLeopold]

30. Killing raccoons? I don't even know where to start here

1.) You kill raccoons? Really? Seriously? You kill raccoons? With an AR-15? WHY are you killing raccoons in the first place and WHY are you using an AR-15?

2.) WTF?

3.) WTF????


My father taught me to shoot when I was a boy. I learned on .45 caliber pistols, .22 rifle, shotguns of all types skeet shooting, a LAW rocket launcher at Quantico, and an M-60 at Quantico. If you need an AR-15 to kill a raccoon you must be either bloodthirsty or blind. I know firearms pretty well, though I do not own one now. My view is quite broad on the subject.

You're the type of guy who sits up in a deer stand with bait and kills a buck from 10 meters with your scoped AR-15 aren't you? Give me a break.

Seriously, these boards are not what I thought they were. I'll stick around, but can anyone recommend some sort of offshoot site of DU where democratic liberals can go and discuss things?

[guardian]

66. For someone that "know[s] firearms pretty well"

you apparently don't know that .223 is an excellent all around varmint caliber.

[AldoLeopold]

73. I'm sure it is

That's not the point. You don't NEED it to kill a raccoon and in the meantime you have an overpowered weapon. Your zeal for murdering animals and your obvious need to wrap your ego up in your weapon tells me more about you than anything else.

[guardian]

80. You are so ignorant on so many levels it is stunning

First you agree that .223 is a good varmint round in your subject title.

Then you say "You don't NEED it to kill a raccoon". What do you suggest is a better way to kill a pest raccoon....a samurai sword or maybe strangle it with a pair of pantyhose?

Then you say it is an "overpowered weapon". How so? What is the difference between shooting a varmint with a single shot from an AR-15 or a single shot from a bolt action .223? I'll tell you...NONE.

Then you incorrectly assume I have some "zeal for murdering animals." The closest I come to murdering animals is buying some hamburger at the local supermarket.

So there you go. Everything you think and say is wrong based on a profound case of ignorance. Enjoy.

[DonCoquixote]

125. response to raccoon.

You said

Then you say "You don't NEED it to kill a raccoon". What do you suggest is a better way to kill a pest raccoon....a samurai sword or maybe strangle it with a pair of pantyhose?

No, you use a damn bolt action rifle, hunting rifles, or crossbow, or bow and arrow or any of the dozen weapons that hunters have been killing raccoons with long before Ben Franklin wore coonskin caps! I guess Davy Crockett was useless without an AR-15.

I am in Florida, hunting country, where they hunt things that are a lot scarier than raccoon (like 300 pound wild boar.) These guys packing their bows, shotguns and bolt action rifles would see someone with an AR-15, and think that guy was a wimp!

SO, yes, people may buy many types of guns for many reasons: shotguns for buck and duck, rifles for boar, maybe a nice fiberglass compound bow (aka a real hunter's weapon), but there is no reason anyone needs a gun that was manufactured to kill people, period!

[rl6214]

140. "A real hunters weapon"

[DonCoquixote]

145. funny

it worked for many, and still does, but some people are so scared of the raccons they need automatic fire to save them....maybe those raccoons are wearing kevlar.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

88. I am sure he would be fine if it if it was a single shot or bolt action.

It is just the evil semi automatic action and the curse detachable magazines that makes it bad

[Tempest]

91. At least with a single shot...

We don't have to worry about him making the species extinct in short order.

[guardian]

99. "We don't have to worry about him making the species extinct"

Do you have any clue as to how silly that sounds?

[Tempest]

104. You obviously missed the real meaning of my post. n/t

[DainBramaged]

43. Raccoons, really?

The term Neanderthal comes to mind.

I guess if you hate raccoons enough to kill them with an assault rifle, I'd not want to be anywhere near you ever.




When it's your time I hope they are waiting for you on the other side of the bridge, and not happily.

[AldoLeopold]

46. Hear Hear DainBramaged

Well said.

[peacebird]

61. I only kill racoons when they attack my hens, same for possums. Not usually a problem

Because the hens are out in daylight and these predators come out at dusk, but a couple times the coons or possum got into the coop and then we did shoot them. Sadly my buff orpintons were ground sitters, so at least the critters had a good "last meal" beforehand. All my other hens are all smart enough to roost up out of harms way.

[DainBramaged]

63. I understand that. Protecting the hens is important to your livelihood

but my question would be, isn't a good dog a better alternative? At least the coons will stay away.


I just have a hard time with people (not yourself) that brag about killing raccoons with an AR15. It simply seems cruel and very unsportsmanlike.

[peacebird]

67. Thank you DainBramaged! As a matter of fact you are right!

We now have an adorable 85 pound chocolate lab, and have not had a critter problem since he moved in with us 18 months ago!

But i keep the shotgun just in case....

[AldoLeopold]

70. Awesome :)

[guardian]

75. Varmint hunting isn't supposed to be sportsmanlike

Varmint hunting is a means of pest control. This idea is to kill quickly and efficiently and then get back to whatever you were doing.

If the poster is killing racoons to protect is chickens I'm sure he is not spraying a raccoon with 200 rounds from five feet away. He is probably taking one shot from 50 - 200 yards.

Your emotions are running wild based on uninformed and ignorant opinions.

[DainBramaged]

79. HAHAHAHAHAHA

go plink a can

[guardian]

82. So you can't disagree with what I said

so you resort to a juvenile response. What's next calling me a "poopy head"? It would dovetail nicely with the rest of your posts.

[DainBramaged]

84. Just stop with your sanctimonious gun bullshit

I don't give a fuck go argue with your wall. You folks seem to think you're better than us. Bullshit, you're Neanderthals for putting guns before life.

Bye gunny. Long after you're gone I'll still be here.

[AldoLeopold]

64. Isn't there a non-lethal way to protect your livestock?

I understand your position, and I know raccoons are smart - but they're not THAT smart.

[peacebird]

113. See above, we now have an 85 pound chcolate lab puppy and our critter prob is solved!

Once the dog arrived on the scene our hens were suddenly not so popular anymore...

[MFM008]

86. omg what a mob

[Surya Gayatri]

116. You go, DB! Rocky Raccoon would know how to handle this gun freak...

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. You kill coons with a .223?

Cause it won't travel far...you shit me.

So I guess in your world a perfectly serviceable varmint gun, (.22) is not good enough?

[Tempest]

106. .22's were perfectly fine for decades before the .223 came out. n/t

Must be a inferiority complex thing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. I know.

And the .223 has better flight and pen value than the .22, so the .22 is better for the intended goal.

[Tempest]

114. Nadin, I've been gone a long time, but damn girl!

113 thousand posts?

YOU ROCK!

[Cattledog]

55. Indydem POS

[Tempest]

81. That is so much B.S.

If you can't kill a raccoon with a .22 caliber with one shot, you're not qualified to own a weapon, IMHO.

[WinkyDink]

89. You mean the North American KILLER RACCOON species?

[sufrommich]

92. To be fair, they've killed a couple of

my plastic garbage cans.

[Tempest]

95. That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!

I guess he didn't have any Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch.

[godai]

111. Seems that you're not the best person to be defining gun nut.

Some of us have no use for guns and we don't want to understand what they're used for...basically killing.

5=gun nut

[DonCoquixote]

120. OK, pray tell

What does anyone need a semi automatic for? Are you telling me that you cannot shoot at raccoon with a simple 22. caliber bolt action rifle like they sell at any WALMART? You need a weapon that was designed to kill people in wartime to shoot a raccoon, and you need to put multiple rounds in the menaces? I know 12 year old kids that are capable of killing those things with bows and arrows, or old fashioned Henry rifles (old west style weapons that have been remade).

If you justify having a military weapon because you want to enjoy pumping rounds of small caliber ammo into raccoon, I feel sorry for you.

[morningfog]

33. IndyDem is a proud NRA member, they are not credible on this issue.

[AldoLeopold]

38. For Real?

Seriously - he's in the NRA or are you just supposing?

[morningfog]

39. THey proudly admitted it and welcome your hate:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021990137#post1

[AldoLeopold]

44. Holy maird

The NRA is an avowed enemy of the Democratic party. Why are these people on this board at all?

[Tempest]

83. Because we are the big tent and all are welcome

Even if we disagree with aspects of their lives.

[morningfog]

24. How many does one need? Especially if one does not hunt?

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. If you are a cop, she wasn't

You need one service, one backup, onion field insurance and a shotgun. Some departments, urban in particular, also authorize AR-15 type weapons due to the North Hollywood shooting.

If you are not a cop, and you like target shooting...I think you can reasonably have two guns. Competitive shooters have a few more, that is due to the circuit. That means three to four, all different calibers.

A hunter, depends on game...small varmint, you don't need anything beyond a .22. Larger, my opinion the 223 is lousy for deer.

But that is as a reasonable answer as I can come up with.

Home defense, a Remington shotgun, that's it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. The five found at the scene were not the only ones

They found two in the school, a riffle and two guns in the car.

Her collection included a Henry, and there were more guns at home. Yes, that, even what they fund at the school, qualifies as a small arsenal.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

69. It seems an odd assortment to me.

From what I have read, so far they have found:
- One AR type rifle
- One unidentified long gun
- 2 historical rifles (Henry, Lee-Enfield)
- Shotgun (type/gauge unspecified)
- Glock (unknown caliber)
- Sig Sauer (unknown caliber)

Ex husband is reported to also have been a shooter.

That is not a gun nut or prepper stash. Not enough combat style weapons and no hunting weapons. Surprising that there is nothing in .22LR. Its not even close to an arsenal.

I wonder if the some of them are legacy from the divorce.

I figure this is more the media is getting wrong and we will have more and hopefully accurate data later.

[CreekDog]

103. more than most Americans have --most Americans have zero guns, by the way

[Warren DeMontague]

135. Yeah.

It does. How many fucking big ass military grade guns does one fucking need to hunt deer?

[riverwalker]

3. the aunt

is married to brother of ex-husband.

[In_The_Wind]

4. Well, it seems as if the Aunt was wrong.

Good kids don't go on killing sprees.

[DonViejo]

8. An OP earlier this morning...

ID'd Newtown as home to the national HQ of GOAL (Gun Owners Action League)...and now the news the mother was a survivalist? Hmmm. Stranger and stranger.

[frazzled]

9. A survivalist ...

living in a fairly tony small town, on $250K per year alimony, in a 3000 sf house? In freaking Connecticut?

[frazzled]

22. Well, that was my impression, too

But whether you're talking about the one or the other, it's crazy to me. I'm depressed by the amount of crazy that surrounds us, even in the least suspected places. I really am ashamed for our country.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

60. From what we have heard, there was not much of a hoard

2 hand guns, one AR rifle, one unknown long gun, 2 historical rifles with hard to find ammo, and a shotgun. That is not a survivalist/prepper stash...not even close.

Some of it may have been part of the divorce settlement. Apparently the ex-husband was an active shooter (if we can believe anything the media is saying at this point)

[Surya Gayatri]

118. She had a whole collection and took her boys shooting--showed off guns to gardener...

Newtown, Conn. shooting: Sandy Hook elementary school gunman Adam Lanza learned to shoot from his gun-collecting mom

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/conn-gunman-learned-shoot-mom-article-1.1220893#ixzz2F9sfcddm

[ProgressiveProfessor]

144. That is really not much of a collection...

It does not seem to have a strong purpose, be it hunting, sport shooting or survivalist.

I have seen the media story about the gardener, but it means little.

The ex was apparently also a shooter.

I took my daughters shooting when they were young and they are yet to murder anyone.

[Skidmore]

15. Just passing on the term used in the item by the person reporting it.

[AldoLeopold]

40. Yah I saw her house

Gigantic neo-Victorian thing on a bunch of land.

Something's wrong here. I think we'll learn a great deal more about these people soon. It's entirely feasible she was some sort of kooky survivalist type. Having a big house and a rich income wouldn't change their world outlook necessarily.

I think we're dealing with some serious goofery with this family.

[DBoon]

45. being wealthy just means you have more to lose

In case civilization collapses and the urban hordes comes to loot and pillage.

[senseandsensibility]

10. And not a teacher. Repeat...not a teacher.

Anyone in our fabulous media bothering to correct this?

[AldoLeopold]

18. Just found this - she wasn't a teacher and its being confirmed all over

I was just browsing but:

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/10582/20121215/nancy-lanza-teacher-sandy-hook-adam-lanza-target-shooting.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/nancy-lanza-reportedly-wasnt-teacher-sandy-hook-elementary-163928460.html

The media really bombed on this one. I mean REALLY bombed.

[progressoid]

124. On my brief foray into the tv news last night, I only heard one station say she wasn't a teacher.

I don't know if they have since figured out she wasn't.

[bigdarryl]

13. She sounds so REPUBLICAN

[riverwalker]

17. very n/t

[jsr]

122. Bingo!

[Duer 157099]

21. I wonder if the kid thought, in a weird twisted way, that he was protecting her

from the hard times to come?

[kestrel91316]

26. From those kindergarteners??

[Duer 157099]

28. No. If his mom believed that some sort of "apocalypse" were coming

maybe he thought it would be better if she didn't have to face it. Same with the kids. And himself.

[loyalsister]

56. As in 12\21\12??

The end of the world BS even messes with the heads of people who we think are smarter than to believe that kind of thing.
Average people have had their heads warped by that survivalist stuff.

[maryellen99]

100. maybe this will finally be the end of the glamorization of the Doomsday Preppers nt

[Barack_America]

68. Plausible.

As with almost all of these mass murders, Beck, Limbaugh, Savage et al might want to check their hands to see if blood is dripping from them.

[marions ghost]

76. Creative --but....

in these days & times, I wouldn't be surprised.

That could be the twist a disturbed mind might put on all the 12/21 fear and hype. The History Channel is full of it.

[madinmaryland]

129. Was he just getting ready for the Rapture??

[WinkyDink]

93. NOTHING to do with 12/21. NOTHING.

[Duer 157099]

101. Well I didn't say anything about that date

but why are you so certain?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

23. '...other such ideas"?

You do realize that there has indeed been an ongoing economic collapse, right? You do know that systemic financial collapse happened and can happen again with devastating consequences, don't you? It's not some "other such idea".

[Skidmore]

27. Oh, bite me.

I'm in no mood for smart assed snark.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

49. Wow. I was not expecting such a hateful response. The fact

is that economic collapse is not an "idea". It happens. Sorry to have offended you so easily.

You know, the more I think about it the more your comment pisses me off! "Oh, bite me."??? Who's the snarky one here? And from a DUer whom I generally respect no less! Freaking eggshells around here!

[Skidmore]

65. I'm sorry but this whole thing has me out of

sorts generally. I posted another thread about an interaction with one of my cousins which has impacted me pretty negatively today. Just have had too much interaction the last two days with people spouting teabagger crap, I guess. I tend not so see the world in such dire terms and believe that when there are problems, we can tap a collective will to effect change. Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction. Shouldn't have lashed out sideways in my frustration.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

72. I understand. My reaction has been to put up a wall around the

knowledge of what happened yesterday. It's just too raw. It'll take me down if I don't keep it under control. I'm am myself extremely distressed at the divisions in this country, gun control being just one. Like you and everyone else, and knowing we have the shittiest Congress ever, I just don't know what to do and feel helpless and every time that wall begins to crumble I have to shore it up or I'll lose it.

Apology lovingly accepted. And I'm sorry too for allowing myself to become angry.

How do we deal with this? I can't get the imagined visions out of my head.

[Skidmore]

98. I think we can band together and push back.

Where there is a will there is a way. No school should be a hunting ground again, no mall, no subway train, no building, no where. We need to gather like minded people and press those we know into looking at the realities of the damage caused by this weapons fetish in the nation. That we really do not need to live in fear of one another if we choose a different path. The message needs to go forward that that we are not each other's enemy, but family, neighbors, coworkers, and fellow citizens. On a global scale, we are fellow humans and travelers on this planet. Get back to the basics. The political constructs obscure basic humanity. We take back our integrity, our society, our safety through trust, and we talk to one another again. We stop talking through politicians and through lobbying groups. The quickest way I can think of to pull the plug on big money politics is to take the wind out of their sails through interacting with one another in our own communities. I don't want to turn on the television and find my grandchildren's school in the news one day. This is how I can best impact the greater world, I think.

[AldoLeopold]

36. You're listening to AM Conservative Radio Methinks

Oh yes - I live in AR, and listen to it for chuckles. I hear that kind of end of the world nonsense on the commercials every 5 minutes when I'm on the road.

So...yah. Hmm...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

52. I don't listen to a single moment of RWNJ radio.

The fact is we just went through an economic collapse that could have been much worse. We're not the only ones either. Economies all over the world have collapsed or are currently collapsing. It's not some crazy idea. It happened and it happens.

[blueamy66]

51. And if the system crashes there goes her alimony.

I think that she wasn't "helping" her son at all.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

54. Agreed, sadly. eom

[morningfog]

25. Self fulfilling paranoia.

[arthritisR_US]

35. I would take what that "relative" said with a

grain of salt, I think she has an axe to grind, jmo.

[DainBramaged]

37. Great, here come the deniers, watch the train land here.

[HipChick]

48. So ultimately she became her own self-fulfilling prophecy..

[Union Scribe]

50. No, she was murdered by her son.

This new blame-the-dead-woman narrative on DU really sucks.

[AldoLeopold]

53. Right, and guns don't kill people right?

Something smells to high heaven here and you know it.

[Union Scribe]

62. If you are blaming her for her son killing her

then you are an even worse addition to this site than I thought you were. You're seriously riding the back of a media interview that said the actual murderer was a good kid, just think about that. Consider where you really want to come down on that.

[Saboburns]

85. Well played

Have you noticed how one of the victims, the mother, has been turned into a gun nut, a Republican, a wacky survivalist, just to prove a point.

Also it appears there is a certain DU Approved firearm list, anything not on the list automatically makes one suspect.

Disappointing.

[WinkyDink]

94. A victim can also be a wacky Republican gun-nut. They are not mutually exclusive.

[qanda]

58. From the dispatch calls, one of the police from the scene was describing the guns there

And he said there was a rifle and a shotgun. It caught my attention because up to that point I had only heard of two handguns being at the scene.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

59. Thankfully the "perfect" suburban myth

is being examined and challenged. The community seems so
perfect. A bucolic setting right out of a Norman Rockwell painting.

Things are never as they appear. If we don't look at ourselves
our communities and our priorities we will never begin to end this.

[HipChick]

74. Agree..it will never happen here myth..

Is destroyed..

[Tempest]

77. Apparently she failed to prepare for every contingency. n/t

[Skip Intro]

78. I read just earlier to day she was a collector.

Is it possible MSNBC has an agenda to push on this issue?

(oh man, I hope it hasn't become a hide-able offense to speak ill of MSNBC...guess we'll see)

[Little Star]

90. She came from the "Live Free or Die" State before moving to..

CT when Adam was 6 years old.

They like their guns a lot up there in NH. They also have a good amount of republicans. I think in presidential elections that state has voted republican quite a bit more often than Democrat.

[Warren Stupidity]

107. Full gun nut profile.

Fruit didn't fall far from the tree.

[bongbong]

108. Only in America

Can somebody affluent enough to have a huge house, 2+ acres of land in a very expensive area, and lotsa dough feel so scared.

[santamargarita]

109. Fox News and Hate Radio kills again!

[gateley]

126. What makes these people so frightened?

[patrice]

127. Eventually the despairing attack the font of their despair. nt

[catbyte]

128. She sounds like she was spectacularly irresponsible. If she was so concerned

about her son's "mental health", why keep an arsenal around the house? Unbelievable. Unspeakable tragedy that could've been prevented.

[HipChick]

130. If I had someone mentally unstable..

in my household...I'd be concerned about locking up those guns

[Quixote1818]

132. Survivalist? Well, she failed at that. nt