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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhere did Adam learn to use guns? At home, like most mass shooters.
Obviously, the vast majority of people whose parents teach them to use guns do not go on to become mass murderers.
BUT a disturbed young person with no familiarity with guns is less likely to use them to carry out a crime than someone who is both knowledgeable about and comfortable with -- and maybe excited by -- firearms.
I can't understand why any parent with a child who's having a tough time getting through life -- as Adam clearly was -- would encourage an interest in guns and in target shooting, and would keep guns around the house . . . I just can't.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> would encourage an interest in guns and in target shooting, and would keep guns around the house . . . I just can't.
Because thinking owning five guns will do anything for you is a form of mental illness.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He only began purchasing them a few months before his shooting up the theatre. And apparently he had difficulty joining a practice range.
I do agree with you questioning the apparent ease of mentally ill people obtaining firearms. The Conn shooter's family appeared aware of his mental health situation, yet his mother had a collection of firearms that appears to have been poorly secured. And the Colorado shooter legally purchased his weapons at a local gun store and online, his mental health situation fell through the cracks. Same with Va Tech killer.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)So did the teenager in Oregon several years ago.
In both cases, and in the Lanza case, the parents encouraged this interest.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)So there doesn't appear to be any causal relationship.
Where there does appear to be a causal relationship is a young white male with mental health issues being able to easily obtain weapons by one means or another...it's a recurring theme.
former9thward
(32,025 posts)He probably learned how to use guns from video games just like most young people do.
Today's U.S. military recruits enjoy an arsenal of simulators and video games that sharpen their fighting skills and may even protect them from the mental stresses of combat. But experts caution that virtual reality could also help mask the reality of war.
That has not stopped the military from embracing video games to recruit and train a young generation of gamers who typically play commercial games such as "Modern Warfare 2," which passed $1 billion in sales in January.
"The Army has really taken a hold of gaming technology," said Marsha Berry, executive producer for the game "America's Army 3."
http://www.livescience.com/10022-military-video-games.html
Are you going to ban video games?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And of how she showed off her new rifle, bought as part of her gun collection, to the guy who was mowing her lawn.
He learned about guns from his mother. Whatever he learned from video was icing on the cake.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)before purchasing their weapons during the planning of their killing sprees.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)We know how they acquired the weapons they used, not whether their parents owned or used guns.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)and I think if they were raised in gun-owning households and trained in firearm usage, it would have been mentioned.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Checking weapons permits records and such. And I'm sure the police questioned parents thoroughly, and by all accounts they cooperated. Keep spinning, though. Maybe when you dig deep enough you'll find a clue.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)are perfectly honest when talking to police. Gotcha.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)because if your stereo-type is true, all gun owners (over a third of the population) will lie to police and conceal their guns. So good luck.
Now, in reality, as oppoaed to your bizarre fantasy, the police probably did investigate every facet of the background of mass shooters. Not only to "solve" the crime (not a great stretch, since they know who did it), but to understand why, and how can it be prevented. There is no reason for parents, other family members, school staff, mental health professionals if applicable, not to cooperate. Your premise is so weak as to be laughable, yet you stubbornly cling to it as usual.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Parents who might have encouraged disturbed offspring's use of guns have strong reasons to conceal this, both because no one wants to admit moral complicity in a crime and because they could be liable to civil lawsuits.
What is my gun ban plan? I wasn't aware I had one.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)You haven't provided a shred of evidence of a pattern of causality. All you're doing is pulling shit out of your ass and calling it fact.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)but if I remember correctly, the VA Tech shooter's parents were pretty conventional Koreans. I remember an interview I saw and they seemed shocked he could or would buy a gun.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Carry on, we're lmao at your lame spin.
former9thward
(32,025 posts)The amount of contradictory information I have seen so far coming from law enforcement and the media is astounding.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)something as simple as whether Nancy was a teacher or not.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)Link: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/us/connecticut-lanza-family-profile/index.html
The friend said Nancy was devoted to her sons and had been "caring for Adam," but would not provide further details.
Cha
(297,323 posts)until the shit hit the fan.
Very conflcting reports on how "normal" the family was.. especially Adam. Some "weren't surprised".. others said they "could see this coming". Those opinions are like RED FLAGS that didn't get heeded. It's obviously the RESPONSIBILITY of everyone now to do more than "notice" such behavior.
ananda
(28,866 posts)Not even close.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)The speed with which he mastered the weapon really impressed me.
He was an avid player of video games.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)Orson Welles "It's easy, you just pull the trigger."
You don't exactly need vast knowledge to shoot a person, particularly a kid at close range. If it was hard to use guns there would be significantly less shooting deaths.
As to should people have known... hindsight is 20/20. Things don't always work out like this SNL skit;
Reporter: Did you know him?
Neighbor: Yes, he was a very nice boy, quiet, never caused any trouble. Always willing to help out.
Reporter: Are you surprised he shot Buckwheat today?
Neighbor: Oh, yes, very surprised.
Reporter: Why is that?
Neighbor: Well, it's Boxing Day today. You don't expect something like this to happen on a holiday.
Reporter: I see. Well, are you surprised that your neighbor shot Buckwheat?
Neighbor: Oh, no, not at all. We all knew he'd try to kill Buckwheat someday. That's all he used to talk about. Even when he was little, he used to say 'Someday when I grow up I'm gonna kill Buckwheat'. He used to make all the other little kids play a game he made up called 'Kill Buckwheat'. He even wrote a song called 'Die, Buckwheat, Die' that he would play at parties. He would draw and paint pictures and give them to us as gifts. He was very generous that way. I have a piece he titled 'Dead Buckwheat #1627' hanging in my living room behind the couch.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)So he and she died by the sword.