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States have wide latitude to regulate (though no longer to ban) firearms.
This regulation is done by state legislatures. (With a governor's signature)
To ratify a constitutional amendment requires approval by three-fourths of those same state legislatures.
A hypothetical state legislature that would repeal the 2nd Amendment should have already repealed the 2nd Amendment to the degree it could... a hypothetical pro-repeal legislature should already be passing laws that put it pressed up against the boundaries of the 2nd Amendment.
In practical terms, when a super-majority of states have passed the most sweeping 2nd Amendment restrictions they are allowed under the current constitution it will suggest that a super-majority of states might repeal the 2nd Amendment because they are in conflict with the 2nd Amendment. That there is something they would do, but cannot short of repeal.
Put more succinctly, 2nd Amendment repeal would happen in a world where about 40 states are passing laws that are being struck down on 2nd Amendment grounds.
(Long before the repeal of prohibition, a number of states had repealed their state laws in support of federal prohibition. Those states showed themselves to be at least open to federal repeal. Similarly, though Washington and Colorado did not vote on federal marijuana laws this year they did everything they could in that direction by repealing their state anti-pot laws.)
Cable TV and the internet create a focus on the federal government while most things that actually happen (like redistricting, marijuana laws, marriage equality, union busting, voting availability, abortion availability, etc..) are, in practical terms, things done by state legislatures.
State legislatures are why the Republican Party still has great power. (Redistricting by state legislatures is why Republicans have a hold on the House of Representatives. The Senate cannot be redistricted since it is statewide.)
And gun control will be dealt with primarily on a state level for years to come. The states, as a class, have a lot of unused regulatory room.
Not just for guns, but for every issue we face the state legislatures are the key. State representative races are not sexy, but they are vital.
(And, as Republicans know well, unsexy local races can be turned on emotional single issues and not so much money. In local races it is conceivable to elect single-issue anti-gun moms, for instance.)
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)I wouldn't have thought it possible for any OP about guns to make it to page two without comment, but I appear to have found the formula.
Anyway, I like the OP and will give it a self-kick.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)It's 3/4 of the state legislatures, not 2/3.
That means it takes just 13 states to block an amendment.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)With absolutely no possibility of happening. Or as much chance of happening as something like amending the First Amendment to prohibit flag-burning.
But people here like to talk about fantastical things as if they were one election cycle away from happening, so I am a little surprised more people haven't joined in to the discussion here.
I'm going to K&R anyway.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Long view. But yes, state reps are the key.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)That was what, 50 years earlier?
I can easily imagine a national handgun and paramilitary rifle ban 50 years from now.
I can also imagine machine guns being street legal 50 years from now... lot of stuff can happen in 50 years.
JVS
(61,935 posts)be repealed. It has been demonstrably easier to ignore the amendments than to repeal them. See patriot act, wiretapping, etc.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)We, as a nation, change the constitution every year.