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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou need a license to step into the woods with a gun.
And that license can be checked at anytime by a game warden.
This has been accepted for generations.
You can walk down a street or into a school with a gun and no license is needed.
I am pro second amendment but I think those words "well regulated" are often ignored.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Hell, for a regular civilian in almost any state, I don't even think you can walk into a school WITH any kind of license. Quit with the hyperbole - you're discrediting your own argument.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)more guns....will make it better....hoorah
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)But calling 911 and having police come to a school with guns AFTER a shooting begins is good.
Gotcha.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Many schools especially in warmer climates have open air separate wings.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)the idea is only to mitigate the situation. I don't think any strategy eliminates the first shots. In one case, you have wait for the mitigating factor to arrive and find the killer, in the other case (Clinton's and the NRA's proposal) the officer only needs to locate the killer. How many lives do you think not having to wait 5 extra minutes saves?
beac
(9,992 posts)and Fort Hood was filled with trained, armed military personnel. In Colorado, police were on the scene within NINETY seconds and seventy people had already been shot. http://www.businessinsider.com/there-were-police-officers-at-columbine-2012-12
A lack of armed "good guys" on the scene is not the problem. Easy access to guns designed for mass killing is.
Coyote_Tan
(194 posts)It was filled with trained military personnel who were NOT armed. The shooting only stopped when DoD police arrived with their weapons.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)means that we might as well not try to ban assault weapons. After all, the 1994 Federal or 1993 CT assault weapon bans failed to stop columbine or sandy hill, respectively. Hell, the VT shooter didn't even use any assault weapons either. Forget cops and forget AWBs... you're right, nothing should get done
Also, rank and file troops are not armed on garrison. Generally, ONLY the MPs at the entrance gates and/or DoD Civilian Police are armed on a stateside base. A shooting in the middle of the base basically requires waiting for police/guards to show up... just like in the city. Ever been on base in the states? Nobody walks around armed unless you're at the firing range. Even personally owned weapons are kept in storage.
beac
(9,992 posts)I merely pointed out the GAPING holes in YOUR logic regarding what placing cops in schools could accomplish.
right back at ya!
BTW, I am 100% for a 100% ban on assault/non-assault/automatic (semi- or otherwise) weapons, high capacity magazines and any other guns/attachments designed for mass killing. (FWIW, I'd like to see ALL guns banned, in fact, but realize that will never happen.)
I am NOT for putting armed guards at schools and calling that a solution.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)at Columbine did not immediately enter the school. They were waiting for the SWAT team with the soecialized gear. Police procedures have since changed so that the cops that first get to a situation such as these go in and attempt to engage the shooter and stop the shooter.
michreject
(4,378 posts)As long as it's open carried. No license or permit needed.
You can't carry in a school concealed, even with a permit.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)michreject
(4,378 posts)OneTenthofOnePercent
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?1318992465Barack_America
(28,876 posts)And was a signature away from reality. As it happened, Newtown occurred the day after the bill had been passed, so the governor backed off an vetoed it.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)With a gun, any gun, whether on your person or in your vehicle. Unless you are an authorized person ie a LEO. That will get your gins pulled, any CCW or pistol permits, a huge fine, and probable PRISON time.
I am in NC.
LARED
(11,735 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:32 AM - Edit history (1)
Most states have no requirement to be licensed to buy a shotgun or rifle.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)LARED
(11,735 posts)someone could show actual evidence that makes having a license to purchase a shotgun or rifle actually decreases gun violence.
samsingh
(17,602 posts)should we stop issuing licences for dogs and pets in the meantime since they don't provide any value?
LARED
(11,735 posts)If the state wants to infringe on my rights they need a valid reason. I don't need to provide a valid reason for the state not infringing on my rights.
I have no problem with not issuing licenses for cats and dogs. As far as I can tell licensing cats and dogs is primarily a revenue generator.
samsingh
(17,602 posts)you feel entitled to guns because 5 people on a court said you could. Five different people, someday will have a more enlighted attitude when they read the same words. that's why we have lawyers and judges.
it would be nice to hear someone say, for the sake of innocent lives, can we not do something and measure it to reduce the violence.
LARED
(11,735 posts)I am entitled to own guns. I just don't feel that way. The second amendment (as well as the other amendments) were written to protect existing natural rights from government power.
samsingh
(17,602 posts)LARED
(11,735 posts)Ashgrey77
(236 posts)And it's the "Second Amendment" not the first that I believe you were intending to reference.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Yeah, try that, go ahead. I am absolutely sure you will not be fined.
michreject
(4,378 posts)A person is not going to get arrested or ticketed for what they might do.
DeschutesRiver
(2,354 posts)People go to BLM land to shoot all the time - target practice they call it.
No, they are not fined just because their weapons could be used for hunting. You can look this up on google re game regulations.
The only way that person with a weapon in the woods could be fined is if they have a dead animal in their possession or are caught in the process of shooting the an animal, and there happens to be a game warden there to check to make sure their "hunting" license is in order. Because at that point, they are "hunting" and the license is required to "hunt". Not to carry a gun there.
If something has changed since yesterday, please provide a link because it hasn't been like that in generations. No one has ever been required to have a hunting license to carry a weapon in the woods.
The issue you should have tackled is problematic not because it is false like the one in your OP; it is because if we did change the rules and require a license to be carrying a weapon everywhere, there is no way that either a criminal or a mentally ill person would comply.
Compliance from people who are not inclined to do so or unable to do so makes any licensing to carry requirement meaningless, as it is these two groups that are committing gun crimes This is the issue that must have a resolution so that we can minimize the risk from these groups to the rest of society.
Shrek
(3,984 posts)You don't need a license to carry a firearm in the woods. It's needed only for hunting, which is defined by statute as
Take, in any manner, any wildlife other than a fish, bullfrog, furbearing animal or coyote;
But the law probably varies from state to state.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)Unless they find you poaching ie setting traps or carrying a dead animal, you won;t have anything done to you. Because you are not breaking any laws.
truegrit44
(332 posts)in......I have lived very rurally in each one and we can walk in the woods, any area that isn't private land (unless we have permission) carrying a gun. There are no game wardens just running around unless it is hunting season or they get called for some reason. Like Obamanut says unless you have killed something your aren't suppose to or are hunting without a license it is perfectly legal.
michreject
(4,378 posts)"Well regulated" meant well equipped, not controlled.
Paladin
(28,277 posts)Pro-gun militants never fail to mention that the 1st Amendment adapted to modern-day computer usage, and therefore the 2nd Amendment should cover today's assault rifles as well as flintlock muskets. Why should we be burdened by a 2nd Amendment that's mired permanently in the 18th century, as far as what's "regulated"? Just because of Fat Tony Scalia and his idiotic originalist outlook?
You just parroted an NRA Talking Point! Congrats!
Federalist Paper #29 defines well-regulated, as it applies to weapons & the militia, as "trained like an army".
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Even just to toss it unloaded in the trunk to go to a range. I actually need a concealed carry permit for that. And I'll never conceal carry.
Robb
(39,665 posts)I was never pulled over, but the common impression was that you put it in the back seat or trunk unloaded and in a case of some sort and you were "transporting" rather than "carrying."
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)It even has an assault weapons ban. Just an additional part of the anguish here.
truegrit44
(332 posts)in to be repaired? Or if you have just legally purchased it how do you get it home?
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Plus another if your moving.
shintao
(487 posts)Yes, follow what the emotional law of carry tells you, unloaded & on the seat in plain sight. While you have breakfast at the diner, the bad guy breaks the window, takes your gun and is gone.
Robb
(39,665 posts)But it's not emotional law, whatever that is. It's Colorado law -- which is among the most unrestrictive in the nation.
ETA, it seems I was overdoing things by unloading the weapon. Facepalm.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)your gun during deer season unloaded and uncased inside your vehicle when travelling between your hunting location and wherever you are staying (not counting the metropolitan counties). Frankly, I think it was an uneeded change. I always case up the gun just to protect it.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)You need a Georgia Weapons License to carry concealed or openly on the street.
Even with a GWL you cannot carry on school property unless you are quickly picking someone up.
Other states vary.
shintao
(487 posts)Just because a word is used does not make it exclusive to all things. Well regulated refers to the militia, not the people.
Federalist Paper #29 is very specific about what "well-regulated" means, and it applies to people. Sorry, your NRA Talking Points are expired.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)You need a license for hunting. If you're not hunting, no license is required. If you are carrying a pistol, you're obviously not hunting, so any game warden would know you're not hunting. People go into the woods to target practice on trees and such.
shintao
(487 posts)I think a poor person can hunt free? In Alaska, I understand, any road kill is immediately taken in and fed to the poor. So maybe the poor don't need licenses??
My cousin doesn't hunt, but goes up with a hunting group and tends the camp for them, cooks the meals, etc.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)"in the woods" during deer season.
The pertinent regs are on page 20.
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/regulations/hunting/2012/full_regs.pdf
FYI, it is legal in Minnesota to shoot deer with a handgun.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)And you'd have to see him, too. Most hunters, from what I can tell, shoot deer without actually seeing them. They hear them, mainly, and they shoot from a distance.
But not all woods are public woods. I'm not sure if you need a hunting license to hunt on your own property. But of course, there wouldn't be a game warden there, either.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)There are a lot of morons out shooting games without proper identification or knowing exactly what is behind the game. However the problem is not as bad as you seem to think. If it were there would be hundreds of gun deaths during deer season in every state with a large number of hunters. In Minnesota, there are 500,000 hunters with guns deer hunting on opening weekend
Yes, deer hunting with a handgun requires a close shot but that is the case when hunting in thick woods/brush. The handguns used in this manner frequently have a scope attached. While I have never hunted with a handgun, two of my brothers have.
In Minnesota, landowners must be licensed as well. Yes, game wardens can go onto private property to check out hunting activity. Heck, game wardens have more leeway in that regard than other LEOs. If a tip is telephoned to the DNR about someone having an overlimit of fish and/or game in their home freezer, a conservation officer can enter the home and inspect the freezer without going to a judge and getting a search warrant. The tip must be credible however. I dn't know how that is defined, but as I understand it, this almost never happens in which the homwowner does not have the illegal game/fish in their freezer. A CO can also pull over a vehicle and search coolers based on a tip.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and would never intentionally kill an animal for funsies.
I'm from south Louisiana. The hunters there, as far as I could tell - from their conversations and from what I saw - rarely actually saw the deer they were shooting at. They use other signs, and of course have rifles or shotguns or whatever that shoot long distances. I believe that's the case because I even joked one time, when one said he hunted not for the joy of hurting or killing animals, but because of the skill it took, etc....I joked (but not really a joke) that if that were the case, he'd be photographing them, not shooting them, since that would take more skill. For one thing, he'd actually have to SEE them, and see them for long enuf to photograph them, as opposed to shooting at a sound and smell in teh distance.
NickB79
(19,276 posts)This handgun, for example, puts out as much energy as a .308 sniper rifle, and can drop a deer at 200 yards! You couldn't pay me to shoot it though; it would probably break my wrist!
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_775663_-1_775655_757896_image
You're kidding, right? I've NEVER met a hunter that shot at a noise in the brush without at least seeing a piece of the animal. Besides being incredibly dangerous, you'd have virtually no chance of hitting a deer based solely on shooting at a noise. Try this experiment. Give a friend a couple of pots. You put on a blindfold. Have him walk about 50 feet away from you, and bang the pots together a few times. Now take a tennis ball and try to hit him with it, based solely on where you heard the noise. Never going to happen.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)In many, maybe most states, the license is for the action, not the weapon.
kelly1mm
(4,735 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)as long as it is concealed. But it is illegal to carry your concealed weapon into a school even if you have a concealed weapons permit.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)firearms on their premises.
It's pretty impractical to try to carry in a city. You can keep it in your car, but you don't need a carry license for that (here in TX, anyway).
spin
(17,493 posts)I have found that it is far easier to carry a light S&W snub nosed revolver in my pants pocket than to try to carry a large and heavy handgun in an inside the belt holster under a shirt or light jacket.
I do know several people here in Florida that carry a full sized handgun on a regular basis. Still most of the people I know who have a carry permit in Florida carry a compact handgun such as a baby Glock, a Ruger LCP or a North American Arms mini-revolver.
In cooler environments I suspect that a higher percentage carry full sized handguns.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)
The 2012 Florida Statutes
CHAPTER 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS
***snip***
(12)(a)?A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
1.?Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2.?Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3.?Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4.?Any courthouse;
5.?Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
6.?Any polling place;
7.?Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8.?Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9.?Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10.?Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11.?Any career center;
12.?Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13.?Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14.?The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15.?Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/0790.html
spin
(17,493 posts)
Hunting
Wild pigs are legally defined as wildlife and are the second-most popular, large animal hunted in Florida (second only to the white-tailed deer).
On private property with landowner permission, wild pigs may be trapped and hunted year round using any legal to own rifle, shotgun, crossbow, bow or pistol. There is no size or bag limit, and you may harvest either sex. Also, no hunting license is required. A gun and light at night permit is not required to take wild hogs with a gun and light on private lands with landowner permission.
Florida's Limited Entry/Quota Hunt Programs offer quality public hunting opportunities and prevent overcrowding, while controlling the harvest of game on wildlife management areas.
On wildlife management areas (WMAs) , hogs may be taken during most hunting seasons, except spring turkey. But, if it's during archery season, you must use a bow - during muzzleloading gun season, you can only use a muzzleloader. You need a hunting license, a management area permit and any other necessary permits to hunt wild pigs during particular seasons on WMAs - where on some, daily bag limits on wild pigs do apply, and on a few, there's even a minimum size limit on what you can take. On wildlife management areas, you may not use a gun and light at night.
http://myfwc.com/hunting/by-species/wild-hog/
This also means that you can use an "assault style" rifle with a hi-cap magazine to hunt wild hog if you choose.
Wild hog meat is very tasty if prepared properly.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's a pity they're so unattractive...to me, anyway.
My Dad has a pet hog, Daisy. The prior one was Tater. The one before that was Pork Chop. I don't get the attraction to them, but my Dad, a far rightwingnut who is not sentimental and doesn't care for animals, fell in love with Pork Chop, when they happened to get him, and they've had a hog ever since. Go figure.
They don't have fur, so you have to make sure they stay warm...with a heater in their room. They are easily trained, believe it or not. Still...I prefer dogs.
spin
(17,493 posts)That's while they are considered pests.
I don't think that you would want a pet feral hog as they can be aggressive and they have sharp tusks.
Danger In The Woods
There is no doubt that the wild boar is a serious dangerous game animal. The mix of phenomenal strength, two razor sharp tusks, and an extremely bad attitude create a real hazard that can turn a hunting trip into a doctor bill in a split second! To avoid blood and bandages a hog hunter needs to have a clear understanding of specific situations that pose serious threats to personal safety.
When most envision wild hog attacks, they picture a gigantic boar in full charge with his pearly white tusks glistening in plain view. This can sometimes be a realistic scenario, but by far the most dangerous hog in the woods is a sow with young pigs. Once a sow hears the distress squeal of a piglet, she becomes enraged and will stop at nothing to protect her babies.
***snip***
Large boars, although uncommon, can attack humans for various reasons. Hunters following a wounded boar into brush is probably the number one reason this happens. Any wounded animal is extremely dangerous and unpredictable and should be treated as such. Do not assume a boar is incapacitated just because you do not see movement. The best thing to do is give the animal plenty of time before any tracking is attempted. Then exercise great caution.
You must always remember that wild boars have above average intelligence. The hog is the fourth most intelligent animal in the world, only being surpassed by humans, apes, and dolphins. This makes quite a statement when you look at the intelligence levels of some lesser animals such as dogs. Hogs can easily identify danger and in certain situations have been known to turn the hunter into the hunted.
http://www.thejump.net/wild-hogs/hog-hunting-article/danger-in-the-woods.html
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)world wide wally
(21,757 posts)turning in a butter knife that her mother left in her lunchbox. Now they suggest she pack a concealed weapon?
Now that's progress.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)boy got n trouble because his slice of pizza looked like a gun. As he was eating, the kid across the table said his partly eaten pizza looked like a gun. The boy pointed the pizza slice in the air and said 'pow' and he got into serious trouble. His punishment was to sit at the 'silent table' the rest of the semester.
watch the sky
(129 posts)there are even more regulations on hunting than that - the season, the orange vest, et al. I'm no hunter, but if there weren't any on them, you'd have a huge chance of getting shot by just walking in the woods. Accidents still happen all the time.
Kaleva
(36,360 posts)But there are restrictions just before and during deer firearm and bowhunting season.