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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm not being sarcastic: can you eat pigeons that live in the city?
Is it illegal to eat them? I may need to know this at some point.
They used to call cats roof rabbits in Central Europe's hard times during and between World War I and World War II. I don't think I could bring myself to kill and eat a cat no matter how hungry I was. I could eat a pigeon though. I'm not fond of them.
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(52,326 posts)Yavapai
(825 posts)But, damn, that calamari is delicious!!!
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,589 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)I think that since they eat and drink anything, they could be full of toxins, however, why don't you try being a vegetarian instead. I do a tortilla and beans diet every now and then when I need to save money.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Whether or not it is legal to hunt them is another matter.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)And they are one of the best foods on the planet! Yum!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Since they are able to absorb all kinds of toxins more than other fish, they can be more dangerous to eat as well.
jody
(26,624 posts)all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you"
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)eating catfish isn't going to tip the scales much.
jody
(26,624 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Hush Puppy Restaurant in Bakersfield.
jody
(26,624 posts)Commander's Palace.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I'll keep that in mind if I visit there again.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)and don't believe in 'sin', I have no problem enjoying some fat catfish lightly breaded with cornmeal on the grill.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)jmowreader
(50,562 posts)I have this weird feeling that the people who wrote Leviticus 11 didn't have catfish in their streams, because the intent of this law was to keep people from eating shellfish--which cause four completely different kinds of poisonings.
LARED
(11,735 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)They're starting to look good out there.
dballance
(5,756 posts)As a former farm boy who has hunted and eaten a lot wild animals I can tell you squirrels are not tasty in my opinion. They do not taste "just like chicken."
Deer meat when properly prepared can be quite tasty though.
doc03
(35,378 posts)we used to have squirrel and noddles at least once a week.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)quite tasty.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Like I said in my post I didn't think squirrel was tasty "in my opinion." As always your mileage may vary.
I think we had spaghetti with and without meat sauce about once a week much like your experience of squirrel and noodles. We were pretty much average middle-class. The meat was always cheap hamburger when we had it. But I still liked it better than squirrel. Perhaps your mom was just better at preparing squirrel than mine.
doc03
(35,378 posts)fried chicken on Sunday.
LancetChick
(272 posts)On the other hand, in a city you never know what they may have been eating.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)but there may be animal cruelty laws that would come into play.
surrealAmerican
(11,364 posts)They may qualify as an invasive species.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)unblock
(52,326 posts)they'll be tougher than proper squab, but otherwise fine.
personally, i gave up meat a couple years ago, but if you're into that, wild pigeons are fine. no worse than beef, certainly.
LARED
(11,735 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I had something similar at DC restaurant, but I'm pretty sure they didn't pop a pigeon on M Street. Hmm. Or maybe they did.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)interesting article http://www.gourmet.com/food/2008/09/eating-pigeons
jonthebru
(1,034 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)LARED
(11,735 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)that's what i call them, and i wouldn't eat them unless i was starving. cats though...never.
AnnieBW
(10,458 posts)Eww... I wouldn't want to eat a Sky Rat. They've got all kinds of diseases that might jump species to Humans.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)and very intelligent. I have raised a ton of them over the years(orphans). i would not worry about disease from them.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)"It is legal to kill pigeons in NYC provided that one does not use any type of gun or arrow."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/eating-pigeons-in-nyc-jackson-landers-hunting-invasive-species_n_1920973.html
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:42 PM - Edit history (1)
I used to be pretty good with a slingshot.
MADem
(135,425 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I was very good with one.
PCIntern
(25,584 posts)Makes a .22 look like a pea shooter.
MADem
(135,425 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)degree when:
(1) He or she possesses any firearm, electronic dart gun, electronic
stun gun, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum ballistic knife, metal
knuckle knife, cane sword, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, plastic knuckles,
metal knuckles, chuka stick, sand bag, sandclub, wrist-brace type
slingshot or slungshot, shirken or "Kung Fu star"; or
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I'll drop em with one of these.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Xithras
(16,191 posts)A typical cheap commercial slingshot like you have in your picture is going to fire at about 100fps (they use surgical tubing, which doesn't have the greatest properties for weaponry) . A homemade slingshot will typically achieve even less than that. You can spend bucks to buy professional hunting slingshots capable of hitting nearly 400fps, but nobody hunting pigeons for survival is going to have one of those. A child with an ordinary sling, made from a couple feet of string and a bit of old leather, can throw a rock a hundred yards at 150fps. And if it breaks, you can whip up a new one in minutes. If the goal is really to come up with a LEGAL way to hunt small game in a survival situation with a minimum of time and cost, nothing beats a sling.
They're trivially easy to make, can be used by hunters of almost any physical stature and condition, and can drop most small game and predators. With regular practice, most people can get reasonably accurate with one in only a week or two (accurate enough to hunt pigeons at close range anyway).
TlalocW
(15,391 posts)You can catch them by hand without hurting them.
Teller demonstrated this ability in, "Penn and Teller Get Killed." He just walks rapidly into a group of them, stooping as he goes, throws his arms out and latches on to whatever he can.
TlalocW
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Dinner!
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,364 posts)... other potentially harmful contaminants in urban birds. If you were raising them yourself, and controlling what they ate, they'd be a decent food source. If they're wild and eating garbage, not so much.
downandoutnow
(56 posts)if you make less than $250K a year in some cities. You know, just to survive!
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)Pigeons and rats are so plentiful and annoying. Why are they not consumed more? I know the cajuns would eat them as a delicacy with all sorts of hot spices.
theKed
(1,235 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)them to be safe to eat if they aren't allowed to fly around and eat stuff of streets and garbage containers.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)But that was on a lark.
No, I am not kidding.
PCIntern
(25,584 posts)OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)libinnyandia
(1,374 posts)singing that song in Washinton Squar Park in NYC over 25 years ago.
malaise
(269,172 posts)The Lonely Londoners by Samuel Selvon. They ate more than a few
Retrograde
(10,158 posts)dog knows why, they're zillions of the tree rats around. Don't know about pigeons, but discharging firearms in the city is illegal.
Here in my neighborhood we have squirrels, raccoons, and possums. However, even if it were legal to hunt them, I'd be leery since they carry some interesting diseases. I don't think we have plague here, like in many parts of the West, but rabies is known in wild mammals. Given their diets and living habits, I don't think I'd want to eat urban pigeons.
ETA: I've tried eating the local snails once. They weren't very good.
cbrer
(1,831 posts)You one of those "survivalist" types? You know something we don't?
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/epi/epi-pigeon.shtml
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Not bad.
cbrer
(1,831 posts)They wouldn't eat pigeon, has never been hungry.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)it should be fine. I agree on the hunger part. I would do it in an instant if it was what was available.
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)Farm-raised, they are delicious. But a sidewalk diet makes for salty flesh.
s-cubed
(1,385 posts)They were amazed at the number of wild rabbits everywhere. To them, that was good meat going to waste.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Now you're talking. We have rabbits living out back by the light rail tracks. Plenty of squirrels as well. I should sharpen my hunting skills now.
CrazyOrangeCat
(6,112 posts). . . Autumn, the crazyorangecat, thinks they're delicious. She has caught, and devoured, two to my knowledge in her 13 years. Actually witnessed the last leaping catch. Damned thing nearly as bit as her.
She dragged it onto the porch, and fell on it like a pack of wolves. She ate everything but the beak and pelvis. (And didn't move much for a day.)
Methinks they must be pretty good . . .
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)that was a pigeon mass murderer. There were hundreds in the courtyard when we moved in. Only handful when we moved out. Feathers everywhere.
CrazyOrangeCat
(6,112 posts)Freddie
(9,275 posts)The "real" Freddie is 20 lb. of orange tabby currently sprawled out on the couch. Has never hunted anything more challenging than Fancy Feast though.
CrazyOrangeCat
(6,112 posts)Autumn is curled up in a tight little ball on the couch, fast asleep. Snow's a-coming . . .
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,858 posts)They eat a lot of stuff that might contain lead and other pollutants. Also, you might have trouble actually obtaining pigeons to eat because most cities don't allow shooting or trapping.
MADem
(135,425 posts)out.
You'd be better off, while you still have internet access, working on printing up a map to every soup kitchen, food pantry and feeding station in town. You'll eat better and it will be less work.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)and in despair
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Get hungry enough and you'll go stand in the lunch line inside Fukushima.
pitohui
(20,564 posts)example, in san francisco, you could be charged w. animal cruelty
i strongly suggest you call a wildlife officer and ask what the local law is, of course feral pigeon is not protected as a native bird (it isn't a native bird) but nor is a cat a native mammal, yet if you catch, cook, and eat a feral cat, you can be charged w. animal cruelty in some areas...absolutely no different w. the pigeons...these are both descendents of animals that have a long history of companionship and service to humans -- how many cats have been awarded medals for honorable service in war? you may prefer cats to pigeons but the pigeon fanciers think otherwise and they do have tradition on their side...
i have sent you some more information by DU's private mail service as i have trouble psting here these days (site too slow), i do care and hope you can find a better answer, altho the method suggested by the writer i mentioned in the email will work, please only use in a legitimate emergency and not just hobby hunting
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)please be careful it's ILLEGAL to eat them in san francisco & many other usa cities
it depends on where you live but in some cities, for instance, san francisco it is ILLEGAL to kill & eat feral pigeons...in most urban cities it is illegal to use guns or set traps w.in city limits so it is de facto illegal but some cities (according to tim ferris, author of four hour chef, who had an extensive section on catching & eating feral pigeon, san francisco is one of them)
reasons are varied -- not wanting to have the guns/traps, but ferriss was taught a method to lure the birds by hand and it turned out to also be illegal (animal cruelty)...some pigeons will be escaped racers, homers (look just like "street" pigeons) etc. and many people have kind feelings toward them, pigeons are one of the few animals to have earned medals for valor in service in time of war and they have a long history so to some people (& therefore some jurisdictions) it would be no different from cooking and eating a cat --that is, you could be prosecuted for animal cruelty
but in san francisco at least it is specifically named you cannot kill, cook, and eat the pigeons, apparently a lot of bums were doing that back in the day
if you MUST do this to eat, the technique told in his book will work but please i would ask you to reconsider...urban pigeons are a valuable food to cooper's hawks and peregrines, two species that probably would not have returned to our city parks without them.
Yavapai
(825 posts)But much like bald eagle, you have to marinate them to get tender meat....
doc03
(35,378 posts)out for the crows every morning, they are looking nice and fat.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)doc03
(35,378 posts)did on crows, one thing they found they can recognize human faces. They ran an experiment and found they could use tools. They put food in a cage and a small twig out side, they would use the twig to reach the food. They also taught them to use sort of vending machine for food. I like to watch them.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)It was fascinating.
doc03
(35,378 posts)thing was amazing. They had the crows going out a finding coins I think to feed the machine for a treat.
Retrograde
(10,158 posts)They're smart, social, and co-operative. I've seen them gang up to drive off raccoons and hawks. They're working on displacing the seagulls - no mean feat.
doc03
(35,378 posts)in the crow community. They may be trying to figure out how to get rid of me and take all the food though.
tavernier
(12,401 posts)Seinfeld reference.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Help yourself.
lynne
(3,118 posts)- and my mom would cook them. She would pressure cook the birds as most of them were old and tough. Then she'd remove the meat from the bones and make a milk gravy from the juice. "Creamed Pigeon" served over toast. Fantastic.
Is it illegal? Don't know. Probably only if you get caught. Tastes so good it's worth the risk.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)eilen
(4,950 posts)In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave you a medal.
Now, if you run out of pigeons where you are, we have seagulls in our supermarket parking lots and no ocean for hundreds of miles.
And then, there are the geese my father's HOA is always chasing off the property.
Our neighborhood has been infested with crows of late, rabbits are quite cheeky and attack my garden despite all the delicious clover I provide. I hear we also have a procreating possum (my friend found one of it's offspring in her pool) and then there are the squirrels giving my dog no end of entertainment.
You might just find yourself a niche.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)In the summer we find opossums in our kitchen eating our cats' food. Big ones too.
Hekate
(90,817 posts)Whats the difference between the squab in your dinner and the pigeons outside on the windowsill? In a word: lifestyle. The author of Superdove: How the Pigeon Took Manhattan And the World explains why the maligned bird has managed to maintain its place in fine cuisine.
If any bird has an image problem, its the pigeon. Known as dirty, pesky, trash-picking urbanitesrats with wings, if youre feeling less charitablethese ubiquitous birds can somehow live in our streets and still retain their reputation as gastronomic delicacies.
Theres a reason for that: Pigeons taste great.
They are typically eaten at about four weeks of age, just before they leave the nest. These young pigeons, called squabs, have dark, tender meat full of rich, gamey flavor. But make no mistake: Though they are bred and raised on specialty farms, theyre the same species as the pigeons on the street, the Rock Pigeon.
Its difficult to find squab in grocery stores, and the price of the bird at restaurants is on par with lobster. My first experience eating squab was at Bostons No. 9 Park, which happens to be located across the street from Boston Common, where throngs of street pigeons gather every day to beg for bagel scraps and day-old bread. Any qualms I had about this irony vanished when I had my first taste. Served on a bed of purple rice with wild mushrooms, the deep red meat was earthy and flavorful, and I instantly understood why the bird has long been considered a delicacy.
But if pigeons are so tasty, why shouldnt we all start feasting on the ones that fill our streets (and do our part for pigeon control)? Some Europeans did just that during the lean years of World War II, but under normal circumstances few people are tempted by city birds, and with good reason. Milt Friend, a wildlife expert from the National Wildlife Health Center, says that city pigeons are notorious for having large amounts of lead in their bodies. They accumulate lead not only by breathing polluted air, but also by ingesting everything from paint chips to roadside dust, which also includes such nasty stuff as cadmium particles from vehicle tires. (For this reason, the birds have been used to study environmental contaminants in cities.) While pigeons living in rural areas are fair game, Friend says, Id have to be awful hungry to eat a pigeon off the street.
You could, however, raise pigeons on your rooftop. For that matter, you could keep a few hens for eggs, if you have a rooftop or tiny backyard space. There's lots of info online about urban and suburban hens, so probably about pigeons as well. (We have 4 hens in our side yard.)
Good luck!
AldoLeopold
(617 posts)Of course you realize that if they have it in them in, so dost thou. Anything under 2.5 microns slips right on by.
The question is, how much do they have in them? Concentration?
I realize they have a different SA/V ratio, but you ever wonder why we don't just skip the middle man and use ourselves as bio indicators? I don't know of too many living human bioassays in NYC - but I'd love to read that journal.
And as far as ingestion, where do you think sewer runoff goes to? Even tertiary treatment plants have a heluva time getting that stuff out with ye olde gravity.
As a side note, never, ever, ever, ever have an urban garden. Ever. Urban hens though - dunno bout that. Sounds cool if I weren't a vegan. Are their shells ever overly thin?
Hekate
(90,817 posts)Our town is a hundred miles north of Los Angeles, and though we have our air quality issues it's nothing like LA.
I have not read that urban hens have health issues, such as thin shells. They will eat kitchen scraps, and of course chicken kibble. If they aren't scratching up the landscape (i.e. a tiny city back yard) eating the polluted surroundings, they should be a lot healthier than wild pigeons.
Several years ago when we were unexpectedly gifted with our hens I did some reading online and discovered there's a whole backyard flock phenomenon across the country. I was amazed at the places people kept them, and the ingenious ways they built weatherproof coops for them. It's very simple for us: we live in a coastal climate where it seldom gets frost overnight, so the coop my BIL built is just plywood. They are warm enough with each other and their feathers fluffed out.
If I ever became a vegetarian, I'd still eat eggs, especially if they were from my own hens. In season, these four girls still produce three eggs a day every day, enough that we have plenty to give away to the neighbors.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)The only reliable non-invasive method to get human fat is to get milk samples from breastfeeding mothers, which have tons of human fat in them.
AldoLeopold
(617 posts)I remember that from Tox class - too sick atm to work brain right ugh
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)AldoLeopold
(617 posts)Hmmm...Cd goodness. With an extra side of vanadium oxide and Pb. Yummy.
tama
(9,137 posts)as if any consumerist member of this system was free from responsibility of pollution. And we are already full of various toxins, whether we eat pigeons or not. No use playing purist, when you're the one creating the mess.
AldoLeopold
(617 posts)and I just spent 3 years getting a degree that will help get us out of this mess.
tama
(9,137 posts)But I don't need a degree but just common sense to tell me that the toxins we eat and breath and touch are bad enough as such, so no point creating stress and anxiety toxins in your body by worrying too much over what is beyond your control.
Also nothing wrong in considering your body a garbage disposal machine.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)So the lead in urban pigeons should be a lot lower nowdays.
flvegan
(64,416 posts)Congrats!!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)And if you are hungry enough it still provides protein for the body. I have eaten many game and find many very tasty, probably would try pigeon if offered. I understand a certain restaurant in Europe serves only river rats and people flock to the restaurant.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I ever considered anything that desperate. You can get $200 dollars a month from the government in food benefits if you have little to no income and can keep getting it until you find a job.
Also, a cat represents beauty. That is why psychos and children who later often become serial killers like to kill cats, they like the idea of destroying beauty and grace, which is symbolized by a cat.
RoverSuswade
(641 posts)Pelicans, apparently, are not afraid of the lead
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UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)fahrenheit451rb
(1 post)I wouldn't eat them myself
NBachers
(17,137 posts)Here's a debonair one I photographed yesterday on Ocean Beach in San Francisco by the Cliff House
Xithras
(16,191 posts)...put a seagull and a brick in the oven for three hours. When you take them out, the brick will be more tender and tasty than the seagull.
They're perfectly edible, but only in an "I'm going to die if I don't eat" sort of way.
Hekate
(90,817 posts)... and not in a good way.
jonthebru
(1,034 posts)My family raised and ate squab when I was a kid. With wild birds, it may be wise to check for toxins with a few birds first by paying to have a lab test them. Your State Health Dept should be able to help.
Trapped alive and kept for a while and fed good food they would probably be good fattened up a bit. You would need a place like a rooftop to do that.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)I think the biggest problem with eating city pigeons would be legally killing the damn things - most cities don't allow you to discharge weapons.
tama
(9,137 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Cheap source of protein for the urban poor. Urban toxicity seems to be the reason.