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UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:44 PM Dec 2012

I'm not being sarcastic: can you eat pigeons that live in the city?

Is it illegal to eat them? I may need to know this at some point.

They used to call cats roof rabbits in Central Europe's hard times during and between World War I and World War II. I don't think I could bring myself to kill and eat a cat no matter how hungry I was. I could eat a pigeon though. I'm not fond of them.

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I'm not being sarcastic: can you eat pigeons that live in the city? (Original Post) UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 OP
yes, but it tastes better when you call it 'squab' unblock Dec 2012 #1
Yes, we would never eat squid either, Yavapai Dec 2012 #61
Funny! Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #84
Squab? Cleita Dec 2012 #2
pigeons are free. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #3
Free--I'll pay to get rid of them. Downwinder Dec 2012 #12
And edible. Deep13 Jan 2013 #127
Catfish eat pretty much anything, too. Shadowflash Dec 2012 #36
Depends on where they are eating anything. Cleita Dec 2012 #41
Catfish are a sin to eat "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of jody Dec 2012 #45
After all of the deviant things I've done UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #56
I know and I've sinned greatly and often accompanied by hush-puppies and gourmet catfish stew. nt jody Dec 2012 #59
I've eaten many hush puppies at the UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #64
Hush Puppy Restaurant in Bakersfield, surely you jest! If you're ever in NOLA don't miss the jody Dec 2012 #71
I've only been to New Orleans once. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #81
They make the most incredible Turtle Soup with cream and sherry! nt Walk away Dec 2012 #86
You and me both. cliffordu Dec 2012 #116
As I'm not superstitious Shadowflash Dec 2012 #58
When did catfish lose their fins? cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #98
Their lack of scales is the problem jmowreader Dec 2012 #112
They are typically eaten at about four weeks of age LARED Dec 2012 #4
I hear squirrels are really tasty Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #5
Uh, no, they're not dballance Dec 2012 #63
I think squirrel is the best tasting wild game I have had. Growing up doc03 Dec 2012 #70
Squirrel's FTW Go Vols Dec 2012 #72
Great, Glad You Liked it dballance Dec 2012 #90
Most of the time venison was our hamburger usually had doc03 Dec 2012 #93
If pigeons are a protected species then this country is really fucked. LancetChick Dec 2012 #6
They're not protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act XemaSab Dec 2012 #15
They're not even native. surrealAmerican Dec 2012 #19
I did not know that. You learn such interesting stuff on DU. Thanks KittyWampus Dec 2012 #37
No, they never go out of season. You can pretty much use them for target practice. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #27
i would tenderize/marinate them first unblock Dec 2012 #7
ROAST PIGEON with GREEN SAUCE LARED Dec 2012 #8
noooooooo! Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #33
Could've been a Hee Haw quote: "What's for dinner, Granda?" "City Chicken! Yum, yum!" nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #74
Pastilla (Moroccan Pigeon Pie) WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #91
just know they can accumulate city pollutants (like lead) in their bodies eShirl Dec 2012 #9
Well, that takes the wind out of my suggestion posted below. jonthebru Dec 2012 #111
I have no clue but they do carry diseased that can be bad for humans. LisaL Dec 2012 #10
For a surprisingly tasty meal; Possum and Taters LARED Dec 2012 #11
I've always called them the "bums of the bird world." For obvious reasons... CTyankee Dec 2012 #13
flying rats shanti Dec 2012 #14
Sky Rats AnnieBW Dec 2012 #16
Actually they are very sweet birds Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #62
Eating Pigeons In NYC: Jackson Landers Hunts And Eats Invasive Species In The Big Apple PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #17
Can you hunt them with a slingshot? UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #23
That looks like a "Wrist Rocket" to my eye! nt MADem Dec 2012 #35
That it is. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #43
Still have mine and practice often... PCIntern Dec 2012 #47
So was I, way back in the day! Long time ago, that! nt MADem Dec 2012 #52
It is illegal to possess wrist-brace type slingshots in the State of New York... PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #38
All right then. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #44
Wow. Every kid I knew had one back in the day. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #124
If you're really hunting, you're better off with a classic Sling. Xithras Dec 2012 #119
With enough practice TlalocW Dec 2012 #102
Sweet. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #106
Wonder do they taste anything like quail? That is delicious. So are guinea. southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #18
I'd be concerned about lead, mercury, and ... surrealAmerican Dec 2012 #20
Well, from what SOME people say, it seems that you'd pretty much HAVE to - downandoutnow Dec 2012 #21
Often I have wondered. Jack Sprat Dec 2012 #22
Concerns about disease, mainly, I imagine theKed Dec 2012 #79
Yes the younger the better. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #24
I have heard of pigeons being raised. Even in the city raising pigeons would cause bluestate10 Dec 2012 #25
I ate a sandpiper once Xipe Totec Dec 2012 #26
Lol! DUzy. Nt PCIntern Dec 2012 #48
Cat or dog would probably taste better... but lookup some squab recipes. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #28
Only set to proper music jberryhill Dec 2012 #29
That's the first thing that came to my mind! A friend of mine thought I was crazy when I started libinnyandia Dec 2012 #31
There's a classic novel about some West Indians living in London malaise Dec 2012 #30
Squirrels are protected where I live Retrograde Dec 2012 #32
Here's what your government thinks about it... cbrer Dec 2012 #34
2 from droppings and one rare one. Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #125
Anybody who says cbrer Jan 2013 #129
It seems as long as you are not eating their droppings Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #130
Pigeons that live in inner-cities are pretty damned salty. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #39
We had a Welsh men's choir visit our small NJ town once. s-cubed Dec 2012 #40
Rabbits! UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #50
Can't speak for myself, but . . . CrazyOrangeCat Dec 2012 #42
We had an orange cat when I lived in Las Vegas UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #49
Orange cats rule! CrazyOrangeCat Dec 2012 #51
Indeed Freddie Dec 2012 #76
Well, give Freddie a scritch behind the ear from us. CrazyOrangeCat Dec 2012 #82
DO NOT EAT CITY PIGEONS. AT ALL! JaneyVee Dec 2012 #46
You can but you probably shouldn't. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #53
Let us know how quickly the lead poisoning starts to affect your faculties, but hey, knock yourself MADem Dec 2012 #54
you'd be surprised what you could eat if you were truly hungry Skittles Dec 2012 #55
No shit. cliffordu Dec 2012 #117
please it is ILLEGAL to kill, cook, & eat the pigeons w.out a license in some USA cities pitohui Dec 2012 #57
I posted that info below. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #66
Someone who is having trouble loading pages DU mailed me this: UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #60
Cooper's hawks are delicious, kind of l like spotted owl. Yavapai Dec 2012 #68
I don't have pigeons but I put a few slices of bread doc03 Dec 2012 #65
You kill one crow and the rest will find out and avoid you. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #67
I know crows are very intelligent. I saw an experiment that some University students doc03 Dec 2012 #77
That's the PBS Nature link I posted. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #80
I remember watching it a while back, the vending machine doc03 Dec 2012 #83
Blasted crows have chased the mockingbirds and blue jays from my street Retrograde Dec 2012 #88
Since I feed them every morning I should be pretty popular doc03 Dec 2012 #89
But don't we have a "deal" with them? tavernier Dec 2012 #69
There's often several of them laying under the power lines near where I live Major Nikon Dec 2012 #73
Delicious. Uncle used to shoot them out of barn rafters - lynne Dec 2012 #75
Flying rats? I don't THINK so! (BLEAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!) WinkyDink Dec 2012 #78
Apprehending pigeon poachers in NYC is hardly on the priority list of the NYPD eilen Dec 2012 #85
Hmmmm UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #87
Squab is good eating, prepared right. But city pigeons have lead in them. Hekate Dec 2012 #92
Very interesting AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #95
I'm away from the big city, where it's healthier all around Hekate Dec 2012 #100
To answer your question, because a lot of pollutants accumulate in fatty tissues. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #109
You're right! AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #114
Some handy tips on how to clean your bird: UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #94
That won't get the delicious cadmium out AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #96
You harvest what you sow tama Dec 2012 #115
Man, I was born into this mess AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #118
Like the rest of us tama Dec 2012 #120
A lot of lead in the urban environment was due to tetraethyl lead in gasoline -- long since removed FarCenter Dec 2012 #97
I love selfish justification. flvegan Dec 2012 #99
There is a recipe in a chinese cook book a friend of mine had some years back. It is eaten in China Thinkingabout Dec 2012 #101
no idea, I would look into getting a food stamp ebt card before quinnox Dec 2012 #103
Video of a pelican eating a pigeon: RoverSuswade Dec 2012 #104
Video of a catfish grabbing a pigeon UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #108
not sure about the legality of doing so fahrenheit451rb Dec 2012 #105
Plus, what about seagulls- they look like they have a lot more meat NBachers Dec 2012 #107
There's an old saying about eating seagulls... Xithras Dec 2012 #121
Gulls are reputed to taste very strongly of fish.... Hekate Jan 2013 #123
Honestly, not a bad idea. jonthebru Dec 2012 #110
How could you legally harvest them? jmowreader Dec 2012 #113
Google "pigeon trapping" nt tama Dec 2012 #122
I can't believe this silly thread is still going. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #126
I've actually wondered why no one eats them. Deep13 Jan 2013 #128

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. Squab?
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:48 PM
Dec 2012

I think that since they eat and drink anything, they could be full of toxins, however, why don't you try being a vegetarian instead. I do a tortilla and beans diet every now and then when I need to save money.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
41. Depends on where they are eating anything.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:13 PM
Dec 2012

Since they are able to absorb all kinds of toxins more than other fish, they can be more dangerous to eat as well.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
45. Catfish are a sin to eat "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:54 PM
Dec 2012

all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you"

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
71. Hush Puppy Restaurant in Bakersfield, surely you jest! If you're ever in NOLA don't miss the
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:36 PM
Dec 2012

Commander's Palace.

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
58. As I'm not superstitious
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:13 PM
Dec 2012

and don't believe in 'sin', I have no problem enjoying some fat catfish lightly breaded with cornmeal on the grill.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
112. Their lack of scales is the problem
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:00 AM
Dec 2012

I have this weird feeling that the people who wrote Leviticus 11 didn't have catfish in their streams, because the intent of this law was to keep people from eating shellfish--which cause four completely different kinds of poisonings.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
63. Uh, no, they're not
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:21 PM
Dec 2012

As a former farm boy who has hunted and eaten a lot wild animals I can tell you squirrels are not tasty in my opinion. They do not taste "just like chicken."

Deer meat when properly prepared can be quite tasty though.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
70. I think squirrel is the best tasting wild game I have had. Growing up
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:36 PM
Dec 2012

we used to have squirrel and noddles at least once a week.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
90. Great, Glad You Liked it
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:42 PM
Dec 2012

Like I said in my post I didn't think squirrel was tasty "in my opinion." As always your mileage may vary.

I think we had spaghetti with and without meat sauce about once a week much like your experience of squirrel and noodles. We were pretty much average middle-class. The meat was always cheap hamburger when we had it. But I still liked it better than squirrel. Perhaps your mom was just better at preparing squirrel than mine.

LancetChick

(272 posts)
6. If pigeons are a protected species then this country is really fucked.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:51 PM
Dec 2012

On the other hand, in a city you never know what they may have been eating.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
15. They're not protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:02 PM
Dec 2012

but there may be animal cruelty laws that would come into play.

unblock

(52,326 posts)
7. i would tenderize/marinate them first
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:51 PM
Dec 2012

they'll be tougher than proper squab, but otherwise fine.

personally, i gave up meat a couple years ago, but if you're into that, wild pigeons are fine. no worse than beef, certainly.

AnnieBW

(10,458 posts)
16. Sky Rats
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:05 PM
Dec 2012

Eww... I wouldn't want to eat a Sky Rat. They've got all kinds of diseases that might jump species to Humans.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
62. Actually they are very sweet birds
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:21 PM
Dec 2012

and very intelligent. I have raised a ton of them over the years(orphans). i would not worry about disease from them.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
23. Can you hunt them with a slingshot?
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:46 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:42 PM - Edit history (1)

I used to be pretty good with a slingshot.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
38. It is illegal to possess wrist-brace type slingshots in the State of New York...
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:44 PM
Dec 2012
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/THREE/P/265/265.01

A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth
degree when:
(1) He or she possesses any firearm, electronic dart gun, electronic
stun gun, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum ballistic knife, metal
knuckle knife, cane sword, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, plastic knuckles,
metal knuckles, chuka stick, sand bag, sandclub, wrist-brace type
slingshot
or slungshot, shirken or "Kung Fu star"; or

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
119. If you're really hunting, you're better off with a classic Sling.
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:13 PM
Dec 2012

A typical cheap commercial slingshot like you have in your picture is going to fire at about 100fps (they use surgical tubing, which doesn't have the greatest properties for weaponry) . A homemade slingshot will typically achieve even less than that. You can spend bucks to buy professional hunting slingshots capable of hitting nearly 400fps, but nobody hunting pigeons for survival is going to have one of those. A child with an ordinary sling, made from a couple feet of string and a bit of old leather, can throw a rock a hundred yards at 150fps. And if it breaks, you can whip up a new one in minutes. If the goal is really to come up with a LEGAL way to hunt small game in a survival situation with a minimum of time and cost, nothing beats a sling.

They're trivially easy to make, can be used by hunters of almost any physical stature and condition, and can drop most small game and predators. With regular practice, most people can get reasonably accurate with one in only a week or two (accurate enough to hunt pigeons at close range anyway).

TlalocW

(15,391 posts)
102. With enough practice
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:36 AM
Dec 2012

You can catch them by hand without hurting them.

Teller demonstrated this ability in, "Penn and Teller Get Killed." He just walks rapidly into a group of them, stooping as he goes, throws his arms out and latches on to whatever he can.

TlalocW

surrealAmerican

(11,364 posts)
20. I'd be concerned about lead, mercury, and ...
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:41 PM
Dec 2012

... other potentially harmful contaminants in urban birds. If you were raising them yourself, and controlling what they ate, they'd be a decent food source. If they're wild and eating garbage, not so much.

 

downandoutnow

(56 posts)
21. Well, from what SOME people say, it seems that you'd pretty much HAVE to -
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:45 PM
Dec 2012

if you make less than $250K a year in some cities. You know, just to survive!

 

Jack Sprat

(2,500 posts)
22. Often I have wondered.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:45 PM
Dec 2012

Pigeons and rats are so plentiful and annoying. Why are they not consumed more? I know the cajuns would eat them as a delicacy with all sorts of hot spices.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
25. I have heard of pigeons being raised. Even in the city raising pigeons would cause
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:48 PM
Dec 2012

them to be safe to eat if they aren't allowed to fly around and eat stuff of streets and garbage containers.

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)
31. That's the first thing that came to my mind! A friend of mine thought I was crazy when I started
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:15 PM
Dec 2012

singing that song in Washinton Squar Park in NYC over 25 years ago.

malaise

(269,172 posts)
30. There's a classic novel about some West Indians living in London
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:06 PM
Dec 2012

The Lonely Londoners by Samuel Selvon. They ate more than a few

Retrograde

(10,158 posts)
32. Squirrels are protected where I live
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:20 PM
Dec 2012

dog knows why, they're zillions of the tree rats around. Don't know about pigeons, but discharging firearms in the city is illegal.

Here in my neighborhood we have squirrels, raccoons, and possums. However, even if it were legal to hunt them, I'd be leery since they carry some interesting diseases. I don't think we have plague here, like in many parts of the West, but rabies is known in wild mammals. Given their diets and living habits, I don't think I'd want to eat urban pigeons.

ETA: I've tried eating the local snails once. They weren't very good.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
130. It seems as long as you are not eating their droppings
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jan 2013

it should be fine. I agree on the hunger part. I would do it in an instant if it was what was available.

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
39. Pigeons that live in inner-cities are pretty damned salty.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:55 PM
Dec 2012

Farm-raised, they are delicious. But a sidewalk diet makes for salty flesh.

s-cubed

(1,385 posts)
40. We had a Welsh men's choir visit our small NJ town once.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:57 PM
Dec 2012

They were amazed at the number of wild rabbits everywhere. To them, that was good meat going to waste.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
50. Rabbits!
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:02 PM
Dec 2012

Now you're talking. We have rabbits living out back by the light rail tracks. Plenty of squirrels as well. I should sharpen my hunting skills now.

CrazyOrangeCat

(6,112 posts)
42. Can't speak for myself, but . . .
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:33 PM
Dec 2012

. . . Autumn, the crazyorangecat, thinks they're delicious. She has caught, and devoured, two to my knowledge in her 13 years. Actually witnessed the last leaping catch. Damned thing nearly as bit as her.

She dragged it onto the porch, and fell on it like a pack of wolves. She ate everything but the beak and pelvis. (And didn't move much for a day.)

Methinks they must be pretty good . . .

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
49. We had an orange cat when I lived in Las Vegas
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:59 PM
Dec 2012

that was a pigeon mass murderer. There were hundreds in the courtyard when we moved in. Only handful when we moved out. Feathers everywhere.

Freddie

(9,275 posts)
76. Indeed
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:46 PM
Dec 2012

The "real" Freddie is 20 lb. of orange tabby currently sprawled out on the couch. Has never hunted anything more challenging than Fancy Feast though.

CrazyOrangeCat

(6,112 posts)
82. Well, give Freddie a scritch behind the ear from us.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:53 PM
Dec 2012

Autumn is curled up in a tight little ball on the couch, fast asleep. Snow's a-coming . . .

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,858 posts)
53. You can but you probably shouldn't.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:06 PM
Dec 2012

They eat a lot of stuff that might contain lead and other pollutants. Also, you might have trouble actually obtaining pigeons to eat because most cities don't allow shooting or trapping.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. Let us know how quickly the lead poisoning starts to affect your faculties, but hey, knock yourself
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:08 PM
Dec 2012

out.

You'd be better off, while you still have internet access, working on printing up a map to every soup kitchen, food pantry and feeding station in town. You'll eat better and it will be less work.

pitohui

(20,564 posts)
57. please it is ILLEGAL to kill, cook, & eat the pigeons w.out a license in some USA cities
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:13 PM
Dec 2012

example, in san francisco, you could be charged w. animal cruelty

i strongly suggest you call a wildlife officer and ask what the local law is, of course feral pigeon is not protected as a native bird (it isn't a native bird) but nor is a cat a native mammal, yet if you catch, cook, and eat a feral cat, you can be charged w. animal cruelty in some areas...absolutely no different w. the pigeons...these are both descendents of animals that have a long history of companionship and service to humans -- how many cats have been awarded medals for honorable service in war? you may prefer cats to pigeons but the pigeon fanciers think otherwise and they do have tradition on their side...

i have sent you some more information by DU's private mail service as i have trouble psting here these days (site too slow), i do care and hope you can find a better answer, altho the method suggested by the writer i mentioned in the email will work, please only use in a legitimate emergency and not just hobby hunting

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
60. Someone who is having trouble loading pages DU mailed me this:
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:17 PM
Dec 2012

please be careful it's ILLEGAL to eat them in san francisco & many other usa cities

it depends on where you live but in some cities, for instance, san francisco it is ILLEGAL to kill & eat feral pigeons...in most urban cities it is illegal to use guns or set traps w.in city limits so it is de facto illegal but some cities (according to tim ferris, author of four hour chef, who had an extensive section on catching & eating feral pigeon, san francisco is one of them)

reasons are varied -- not wanting to have the guns/traps, but ferriss was taught a method to lure the birds by hand and it turned out to also be illegal (animal cruelty)...some pigeons will be escaped racers, homers (look just like "street" pigeons) etc. and many people have kind feelings toward them, pigeons are one of the few animals to have earned medals for valor in service in time of war and they have a long history so to some people (& therefore some jurisdictions) it would be no different from cooking and eating a cat --that is, you could be prosecuted for animal cruelty

but in san francisco at least it is specifically named you cannot kill, cook, and eat the pigeons, apparently a lot of bums were doing that back in the day

if you MUST do this to eat, the technique told in his book will work but please i would ask you to reconsider...urban pigeons are a valuable food to cooper's hawks and peregrines, two species that probably would not have returned to our city parks without them.

 

Yavapai

(825 posts)
68. Cooper's hawks are delicious, kind of l like spotted owl.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:33 PM
Dec 2012

But much like bald eagle, you have to marinate them to get tender meat....

doc03

(35,378 posts)
65. I don't have pigeons but I put a few slices of bread
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:29 PM
Dec 2012

out for the crows every morning, they are looking nice and fat.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
77. I know crows are very intelligent. I saw an experiment that some University students
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:46 PM
Dec 2012

did on crows, one thing they found they can recognize human faces. They ran an experiment and found they could use tools. They put food in a cage and a small twig out side, they would use the twig to reach the food. They also taught them to use sort of vending machine for food. I like to watch them.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
83. I remember watching it a while back, the vending machine
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:55 PM
Dec 2012

thing was amazing. They had the crows going out a finding coins I think to feed the machine for a treat.

Retrograde

(10,158 posts)
88. Blasted crows have chased the mockingbirds and blue jays from my street
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:28 PM
Dec 2012

They're smart, social, and co-operative. I've seen them gang up to drive off raccoons and hawks. They're working on displacing the seagulls - no mean feat.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
89. Since I feed them every morning I should be pretty popular
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:39 PM
Dec 2012

in the crow community. They may be trying to figure out how to get rid of me and take all the food though.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
75. Delicious. Uncle used to shoot them out of barn rafters -
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:45 PM
Dec 2012

- and my mom would cook them. She would pressure cook the birds as most of them were old and tough. Then she'd remove the meat from the bones and make a milk gravy from the juice. "Creamed Pigeon" served over toast. Fantastic.

Is it illegal? Don't know. Probably only if you get caught. Tastes so good it's worth the risk.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
85. Apprehending pigeon poachers in NYC is hardly on the priority list of the NYPD
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:01 PM
Dec 2012

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave you a medal.

Now, if you run out of pigeons where you are, we have seagulls in our supermarket parking lots and no ocean for hundreds of miles.

And then, there are the geese my father's HOA is always chasing off the property.

Our neighborhood has been infested with crows of late, rabbits are quite cheeky and attack my garden despite all the delicious clover I provide. I hear we also have a procreating possum (my friend found one of it's offspring in her pool) and then there are the squirrels giving my dog no end of entertainment.

You might just find yourself a niche.

Hekate

(90,817 posts)
92. Squab is good eating, prepared right. But city pigeons have lead in them.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:48 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.gourmet.com/food/2008/09/eating-pigeons
What’s the difference between the squab in your dinner and the pigeons outside on the windowsill? In a word: lifestyle. The author of Superdove: How the Pigeon Took Manhattan… And the World explains why the maligned bird has managed to maintain its place in fine cuisine.

If any bird has an image problem, it’s the pigeon. Known as dirty, pesky, trash-picking urbanites—“rats with wings,” if you’re feeling less charitable—these ubiquitous birds can somehow live in our streets and still retain their reputation as gastronomic delicacies.

There’s a reason for that: Pigeons taste great.
They are typically eaten at about four weeks of age, just before they leave the nest. These young pigeons, called squabs, have dark, tender meat full of rich, gamey flavor. But make no mistake: Though they are bred and raised on specialty farms, they’re the same species as the pigeons on the street, the Rock Pigeon.

It’s difficult to find squab in grocery stores, and the price of the bird at restaurants is on par with lobster. My first experience eating squab was at Boston’s No. 9 Park, which happens to be located across the street from Boston Common, where throngs of street pigeons gather every day to beg for bagel scraps and day-old bread. Any qualms I had about this irony vanished when I had my first taste. Served on a bed of purple rice with wild mushrooms, the deep red meat was earthy and flavorful, and I instantly understood why the bird has long been considered a delicacy.

But if pigeons are so tasty, why shouldn’t we all start feasting on the ones that fill our streets (and do our part for pigeon control)? Some Europeans did just that during the lean years of World War II, but under normal circumstances few people are tempted by city birds, and with good reason. Milt Friend, a wildlife expert from the National Wildlife Health Center, says that city pigeons are notorious for having large amounts of lead in their bodies. They accumulate lead not only by breathing polluted air, but also by ingesting everything from paint chips to roadside dust, which also includes such nasty stuff as cadmium particles from vehicle tires. (For this reason, the birds have been used to study environmental contaminants in cities.) While pigeons living in rural areas are fair game, Friend says, “I’d have to be awful hungry to eat a pigeon off the street.”


You could, however, raise pigeons on your rooftop. For that matter, you could keep a few hens for eggs, if you have a rooftop or tiny backyard space. There's lots of info online about urban and suburban hens, so probably about pigeons as well. (We have 4 hens in our side yard.)

Good luck!





 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
95. Very interesting
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:10 AM
Dec 2012

Of course you realize that if they have it in them in, so dost thou. Anything under 2.5 microns slips right on by.

The question is, how much do they have in them? Concentration?

I realize they have a different SA/V ratio, but you ever wonder why we don't just skip the middle man and use ourselves as bio indicators? I don't know of too many living human bioassays in NYC - but I'd love to read that journal.

And as far as ingestion, where do you think sewer runoff goes to? Even tertiary treatment plants have a heluva time getting that stuff out with ye olde gravity.

As a side note, never, ever, ever, ever have an urban garden. Ever. Urban hens though - dunno bout that. Sounds cool if I weren't a vegan. Are their shells ever overly thin?

Hekate

(90,817 posts)
100. I'm away from the big city, where it's healthier all around
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:18 AM
Dec 2012

Our town is a hundred miles north of Los Angeles, and though we have our air quality issues it's nothing like LA.

I have not read that urban hens have health issues, such as thin shells. They will eat kitchen scraps, and of course chicken kibble. If they aren't scratching up the landscape (i.e. a tiny city back yard) eating the polluted surroundings, they should be a lot healthier than wild pigeons.

Several years ago when we were unexpectedly gifted with our hens I did some reading online and discovered there's a whole backyard flock phenomenon across the country. I was amazed at the places people kept them, and the ingenious ways they built weatherproof coops for them. It's very simple for us: we live in a coastal climate where it seldom gets frost overnight, so the coop my BIL built is just plywood. They are warm enough with each other and their feathers fluffed out.

If I ever became a vegetarian, I'd still eat eggs, especially if they were from my own hens. In season, these four girls still produce three eggs a day every day, enough that we have plenty to give away to the neighbors.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
109. To answer your question, because a lot of pollutants accumulate in fatty tissues.
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:57 AM
Dec 2012

The only reliable non-invasive method to get human fat is to get milk samples from breastfeeding mothers, which have tons of human fat in them.

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
96. That won't get the delicious cadmium out
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:12 AM
Dec 2012

Hmmm...Cd goodness. With an extra side of vanadium oxide and Pb. Yummy.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
115. You harvest what you sow
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:09 PM
Dec 2012

as if any consumerist member of this system was free from responsibility of pollution. And we are already full of various toxins, whether we eat pigeons or not. No use playing purist, when you're the one creating the mess.

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
118. Man, I was born into this mess
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:22 PM
Dec 2012

and I just spent 3 years getting a degree that will help get us out of this mess.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
120. Like the rest of us
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:26 PM
Dec 2012

But I don't need a degree but just common sense to tell me that the toxins we eat and breath and touch are bad enough as such, so no point creating stress and anxiety toxins in your body by worrying too much over what is beyond your control.

Also nothing wrong in considering your body a garbage disposal machine.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
97. A lot of lead in the urban environment was due to tetraethyl lead in gasoline -- long since removed
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:47 AM
Dec 2012

So the lead in urban pigeons should be a lot lower nowdays.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
101. There is a recipe in a chinese cook book a friend of mine had some years back. It is eaten in China
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:24 AM
Dec 2012

And if you are hungry enough it still provides protein for the body. I have eaten many game and find many very tasty, probably would try pigeon if offered. I understand a certain restaurant in Europe serves only river rats and people flock to the restaurant.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
103. no idea, I would look into getting a food stamp ebt card before
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:43 AM
Dec 2012

I ever considered anything that desperate. You can get $200 dollars a month from the government in food benefits if you have little to no income and can keep getting it until you find a job.

Also, a cat represents beauty. That is why psychos and children who later often become serial killers like to kill cats, they like the idea of destroying beauty and grace, which is symbolized by a cat.

NBachers

(17,137 posts)
107. Plus, what about seagulls- they look like they have a lot more meat
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:52 AM
Dec 2012

Here's a debonair one I photographed yesterday on Ocean Beach in San Francisco by the Cliff House

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
121. There's an old saying about eating seagulls...
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:26 PM
Dec 2012

...put a seagull and a brick in the oven for three hours. When you take them out, the brick will be more tender and tasty than the seagull.

They're perfectly edible, but only in an "I'm going to die if I don't eat" sort of way.

jonthebru

(1,034 posts)
110. Honestly, not a bad idea.
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 03:36 AM
Dec 2012

My family raised and ate squab when I was a kid. With wild birds, it may be wise to check for toxins with a few birds first by paying to have a lab test them. Your State Health Dept should be able to help.
Trapped alive and kept for a while and fed good food they would probably be good fattened up a bit. You would need a place like a rooftop to do that.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
113. How could you legally harvest them?
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:02 AM
Dec 2012

I think the biggest problem with eating city pigeons would be legally killing the damn things - most cities don't allow you to discharge weapons.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
128. I've actually wondered why no one eats them.
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:28 AM
Jan 2013

Cheap source of protein for the urban poor. Urban toxicity seems to be the reason.

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