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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums***** GOP Debate: January 23rd - 9pm ET on NBC - Live Steam links below ***** PART TWO
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Part ONE of the debate thread is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002208994
one_voice
(20,043 posts)second one!!
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not a problem - doesn't even respond to the BP spill component of the question.
powergirl
(2,393 posts)talk about Greek Independence Day to a largely Spanish Speaking State. Nice strategy.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)heard of it. Whom were the Greeks declaring independence from????
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Traveling in Greece this March? Independence Day on March 25th will fill the streets with parades and celebrations, both secular and sacred. In Athens, military parades for Independence Day will vie with Feast of the Annunciation church celebrations and anti-war demonstrations, keeping the streets both busy and sometimes blocked.
In 1821, Greeks vigorously rose up against the oppressive Ottoman Empire which had occupied Greece for nearly four hundred years...
http://gogreece.about.com/cs/folkloreevents/a/greeceindepend.htm
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)declare independence from the EU and the international banking cabal.
Didn't realize Greeks had revolted against Ottomans.
highplainsdem
(48,975 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)precursors of the Repukes, nativism and the KKK). Eeeek, they'll campaign in Spanish but not allow government to provide services in Spanish.
klook
(12,154 posts)Exactly right. The hypocrisy is staggering.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Newt, disdainful as his views are, at least seems to have a handle on what he believes.
powergirl
(2,393 posts)Save the taxpayers bus fare I suppose. Seriously???? WTF????
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Stiff as a board
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Skip answering the question and give the stump speech.
That's the Mitt approach to debating.
Greywing
(1,124 posts)Why are they all allowed to spew filthy lies without being challenged?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I really wish the moderators would focus more on nailing them on this stuff rather than trying to mix it up on the other nonsense.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)And that's what's so scary. People vote based on these lies! If the media would simply do its job, we would not have endured 8 years of "Dumbya" Bush!!
Greywing
(1,124 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)the debate.
They could have a half dozen folks on their team sitting in front of computers pulling up the facts and during the second half of the debate state the facts and let the candidate try to squirm out of what they had said during the first half of the debate
oberliner
(58,724 posts)This would have been the debate for that to have happened.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)that's strange.
I wonder if Bill Adair and Angie and the rest of the gang are still there.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Same paper, different name.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)NAO
(3,425 posts)See them squirm and try to rationalize. Score the debate not just on point won, but on points lost due to candidates lies or ignorance
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)desperate and pleading.
BadgerKid
(4,552 posts)elleng
(130,895 posts)powergirl
(2,393 posts)So Bored
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)disgusting
one_voice
(20,043 posts)politifact PolitiFact
Gingrich says he balanced four budgets when he was speaker. False. bit.ly/yyEkn2
9 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/politifact
I hope the Dems go after him on this lie.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am honestly starting to feel like Newt might pull this out.
Which I think is great news for Obama.
powergirl
(2,393 posts)Fred Thompson - I totally forgot about him - did anyone ask him for an endorsement??
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/fred-thompson-newt-gingrich_n_1225668.html
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Sort of like a Rick Perry situation.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)He can't be
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Nasa? Yeh.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Prizes?
It's called the Zubrin-Gingrich Prize Program and is associated with Robert Zubrin's Mars Direct plan. Haven't you read The Case for Mars? It's genius. This comment by Newt was the single best moment in any presidential debate in years. All he needed to add was support for the Open Fuel Standard Act, and all the idiots on stage would have been seen for what they are. "No-balls Obama" wouldn't stand much chance against an ambitious opponent like that. Obama might be better in some aspects, but the man has no vision. It's all this rote rhetoric and middling compromise. The man is boring. At least Newt brought up his desire to get rid of subsidies and the obscure inter-competition by the various lobbies who support them. From Obama youd just get this smile and off-handed comment like he was too good to even discuss the matter.
jannyk
(4,810 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)You're smart, Newt. Too smart.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He knows what he is doing there.
Unlike Mitt who hems and haws and looks weak.
Greywing
(1,124 posts)and kicks Romney's ass. Newt is just plain mean and nasty and I don't believe Independents will vote for him. Mitt just wants to POUS more than anything and will do and say anything to buy the Presidency.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Mitt is on the ropes.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Seems like it was a snoozer.
What are the headlines going to be?
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)I didn't notice anything that would make a huge headline tonight.
Here's two headlines that are out already
Newt Gingrich Catches Mitt Romney Flat-Footed In Freddie Mac Tussle
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/newt-gingrich-catches-mitt-romney-flat-footed-in-freddie-mac-tussle/
Mitt Romney On Illegal Immigration: The Answer Is Self-Deportation
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mitt-romney-on-illegal-immigration-the-answer-is-self-deportation/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think that has got to hurt Romney.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Greywing
(1,124 posts)Still shaking my head in disbelief over that one
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Although GWB has said a lot stupider things and still managed to come out ahead.
jannyk
(4,810 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Good for him to hint at it and leave it there.
jannyk
(4,810 posts)Pretty boring second half.
elleng
(130,895 posts)Romney said he didn't inherit from his parents. Half True. http://ow.ly/8DNxG #FLdebate
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)That's all folks!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)This is insane!
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)=======
The Democrats had 26 debates during the 2008 primary campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_democratic_debates
The GOP had 21 debates during the 2008 primary campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_republican_debates
This time around The GOP will have a total of 24 during the 2012 primary campaign
LIST of all scheduled Republican Party 2012 presidential debates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_republican_debates
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I think that it seems like the GOP is having too many debate this go-round is because many of them are scheduled too close to each other.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)During the 1999-2000 campaign, Republicans engaged in just three primary debates.
In 2004, Democrats staged just two primary debates, none before the first vote in Iowa.
What has happened in the last two cycles is way way way beyond the "normal range" by any measure.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Perhaps this is the 'new' normal
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Lord knows where we go from here.
jannyk
(4,810 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)But does he have enough money?
If Romney can't win Florida, he can't win the nomination.
Greywing
(1,124 posts)the casino owner's wife
oberliner
(58,724 posts)A Gingrich win in Florida could be big.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Thanks Citizens United.
highplainsdem
(48,975 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)sfpcjock
(1,936 posts)sfpcjock
(1,936 posts)Mosaic
(1,451 posts)They are very simple, very ignorant, and very selfish. The debates are a waste of time for normal people.