Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:04 PM
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 Transcript from my show, how to move the needle on Gun Control (Original post) |
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Response to L0oniX (Reply #2)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:15 PM
GoneOffShore (16,875 posts)
4. Just did and that's a lot of NRA talking points.
Response to L0oniX (Reply #18)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:25 PM
56. if it isn't right why are you doing it? you are a drone!
Response to Berserker (Reply #20)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:05 PM
36. whaaaa????
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he meant 'kick' the thread? bump? move upwards? hello?
what do YOU want to do?  |
Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #21)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:20 PM
54. In passing, neither term bothers me in the least ...
Response to L0oniX (Reply #7)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:10 PM
39. if you are seriously trying to say the NRA owns the 2nd amendment, or has any frigging regard for it
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whatsoever, you are what? being paid by them? any person who can put two paragraphs together knows they are EVIL! i know the link is from 1994, so what?
Emblazoned across the front of the NRA headquarters in Washington, D.C., is half of this amendment--the second half. It's a testament to how well the NRA does its job that most Americans probably don't know about the first half, with its clunky and inconvenient dependent clause. But that's how the Founding Fathers wrote it. The NRA's reasons for focusing on its backside are fairly obvious, but what do the courts say about the Second Amendment? http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1994/01/seconds-missing-half   |
Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #3)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:42 AM
70. here's an good article (old) about the causes of murder. from 1957 - hardly ANY GUNS
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:46 PM
15. More attention should be paid to the 'well-regulated' part of the 2nd amendment.
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:58 PM
19. Did your show discuss how we have reduced gun deaths
Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #23)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:26 PM
25. More guns did not decrease gun deaths.
Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #27)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 03:47 PM
30. Since we slashed criminal gun violence without strict gun control
Response to hack89 (Reply #25)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:49 AM
71. right, more guns "did not decrease". THEY INCREASED murders. they do it EVERY DAY 18.8 times
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All we can say with any certainty is that more guns did not result in more gun violence.
all i can say to that is- farminator3000 59. and? isn't it odd how you never even mention the NRA for some reason? as if it doesn't exist? 20 Deadliest Gun States Jan 10, 2011 8:13 PM EST You're five times more likely to die from a gun in Arizona than Hawaii. In the wake of the Giffords massacre, The Daily Beast ranks which states have the worst record of gun fatalities. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html *** From murders to suicides, Arizona is consistently among the most deadly states in the nation for gun violence, federal records show. Over a nine-year span, the state's rate of gun deaths of all types ranked seventh in the United States and sixth for gun-involved slayings, according to an Arizona Republic analysis of death reports compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The rankings are based on data from 1999 to 2007, the most recent statistics available from the CDC. Overall, violent-crime rates in Arizona are not far from rates for the U.S. as a whole, but the rate of deaths specifically tied to guns surprises national experts. Crime-victimization patterns that measure factors such as age and racial demographics suggest that Arizona would figure to be among the states with a lower risk for violent crime. http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/20110127arizona-gun-death-rate-nations-worst-sev.html and? you were saying something about guns are safe? 
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Response to hack89 (Reply #19)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 03:54 PM
33. did your post contain a link or any truth, AT ALL? i think not- "The simple truth is that more guns
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equal more death.
An analysis this year from the Violence Policy Center found that “states with low gun ownership rates and strong gun laws have the lowest rates of gun death.” The report continued, “by contrast, states with weak gun laws and higher rates of gun ownership had far higher rates of firearm-related death.” According to the analysis, Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut had the lowest per capita gun death rates. Each of those states had “strong gun laws and low gun ownership rates. On the other hand, “ranking first in the nation for gun death was Louisiana, followed by Wyoming, Alabama, Montana, and Mississippi.” Those states had “weak gun laws and higher rates of gun ownership.” What’s more, deaths may be a misleading statistic that minimizes the true breadth of gun violence. Another report this year by the Violence Policy Center, using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that while gun deaths remained relatively flat from 2000 to 2008, the total number of people shot went up nearly 20 percent since 2001. Why the difference between rates of shootings and deaths? “Advances in emergency services — including the 911 system and establishment of trauma centers — as well as better surgical techniques,” the report said. " http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/opinion/blow-guns-smoke-and-mirrors.html  |
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #33)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:08 PM
37. Go read the DOJ and FBI Uniform Crime Reports
Response to hack89 (Reply #37)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:27 PM
40. i've seen all that, thanks
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hack89 (18,114 posts)
19. Did your show discuss how we have reduced gun deaths from murder and manslaughter by 50 % since 1992? Perhaps identifying how we did that would help guide the discussion. i'm guiding the discussion. 50% you say? do tell! wasn't there a ban on guns from 1994-2004 or something?  |
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #40)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:36 PM
42. Let me show you an AWB legal "assault weapon"
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The present California AWB is stricter than the original AWB - this weapon is legal in California:
http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtRifles/ColtCaliforniaCompliantRifles.aspx The original AWB had so many holes in it that it banned nothing - in fact sales skyrocketed. |
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #40)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:40 PM
43. Rifles and shotguns combined account for about 3% of murders.
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #40)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:33 PM
58. There was never a ban on guns during the expired AWB ...
Response to spin (Reply #58)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:02 PM
59. and? isn't it odd how you never even mention the NRA for some reason? as if it doesn't exist?
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #59)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:57 AM
61. Well there are going to be a lot more firearms in civilian hands in the immediate future. ...
Response to spin (Reply #61)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:34 AM
69. civilians are running out of hands for the damn guns. do you shoot with your feet?
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #69)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:28 PM
101. I have never bought into the NRA propaganda that the feds will confiscate my guns ...
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #108)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:49 PM
110. That's a good link.Thanks. (n/t)
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #60)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:14 AM
66. 1992 - 24,703 deaths. 2010 - 14,748 deaths
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #60)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:23 AM
67. And yet all those states with lax gun laws saw declines in gun violence
Response to hack89 (Reply #67)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:00 AM
72. that is complete BS- the 5 states with worst laws=most deaths,5 with best laws=least deaths- read it
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #72)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:16 PM
82. Statistics give you problems don't they?
Response to hack89 (Reply #82)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:29 PM
84. they are a problem when you don't provide any, slappy
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #84)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:36 PM
87. I gave you a whole web site of official crime reports
Response to hack89 (Reply #87)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:45 PM
90. and cherry picked ONE number from that site, stop wasting my time look at post #88
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there are LOTS of official reports. they don't mean anything if you just look at one.
Overview An estimated 1,417,745 violent crimes occurred nationwide in 2006. There were an estimated 473.5 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants. When data for 2006 to 2005 were compared, the estimated volume of violent crime increased 1.9 percent. The 5-year trend (2006 compared with 2002) indicated that violent crime decreased 0.4 percent. For the 10-year trend (2006 compared with 1997) violent crime fell 13.3 percent. Thanks for the link showing Arizona has fewer gun deaths than they had in 1995. Looks like I was right. Did your show discuss how we have reduced gun deaths from murder and manslaughter by 50 % since 1992? Perhaps identifying how we did that would help guide the discussion. last time i checked, 800 is about 20% less than 1,000, so WHERE DOES THIS 50% BS come from again? who is not reading? the great thing here is, if someone who is undecided about gun control is reading this, you kind of look like a mindless zealot, and you are giving your people a bad name!!! thanks!! 
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Response to hack89 (Reply #98)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:33 PM
124. you are looking at one number and saying it is proof for a bunch of hoo-hah
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #124)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:44 PM
126. No - I am looking at multiple tables spanning decades
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #132)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:26 PM
135. So a single NY Times article trumps decades of FBI statistics?
Response to Hoyt (Reply #55)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:11 AM
65. Because we don't only have guns for self defense.
Response to Hoyt (Reply #68)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:05 AM
74. they can't admit it if they're being brainwashed!
Response to hack89 (Reply #65)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:03 AM
73. then why do you keep saying they are so necessary and vital for your protection
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #73)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:31 PM
85. I shoot purely for recreation.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #91)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:29 PM
97. My hobby has never hurt a single person. nt
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:16 PM
aikoaiko (33,344 posts)
22. I did what you asked.
Response to stevenleser (Reply #26)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 03:51 PM
31. I think people are very much aware how much gun violence has fallen
Response to hack89 (Reply #31)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 03:58 PM
35. really? twice in the SAME THREAD???
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see #33.
who is a fool?  |
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #35)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:09 PM
38. Go see #37. Then go study some actual data. nt
Response to hack89 (Reply #38)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:30 PM
41. ha ha ha ha ha! stealing my trick are ya? #40, right back at ya! woo hoo!
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #41)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:43 PM
44. Go back and read both my answers. nt
Response to hack89 (Reply #44)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:32 PM
49. i did. they don't mean a thing.
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hack89 (18,118 posts)
19. Did your show discuss how we have reduced gun deaths from murder and manslaughter by 50 % since 1992? Perhaps identifying how we did that would help guide the discussion. ny times-“Advances in emergency services — including the 911 system and establishment of trauma centers — as well as better surgical techniques,” the report said. " http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/opinion/blow-guns-smoke-and-mirrors.html bold is all you: Gun violence is at historic lows and steadily declining so we must be doing something right. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html 
the issue is much too complex All we can say with any certainty is that more guns did not result in more gun violence. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/opinion/blow-guns-smoke-and-mirrors.html Since we slashed criminal gun violence without strict gun control ny times:while gun deaths remained relatively flat from 2000 to 2008, the total number of people shot went up nearly 20 percent since 2001. Suicide is a mental health issue - proper healthcare is the solution. We need to spend billions on healthcare, not prisons. does this suggest putting suicidal people in prison? WOW THATS A GREAT IDEA!!! 
then- I asked you why deaths are down:i'm guiding the discussion. 50% you say? do tell! wasn't there a ban on guns from 1994-2004 or something? you: all of a sudden, big ugly gun and blah blah rifles. who said rifles? 43. Rifles and shotguns combined account for about 3% of murders. the AWB could not possibly account for such a huge drop. regular rifles and shotguns have ZILCHO to do with the AWB
so- ny times-“Advances in emergency services — including the 911 system and establishment of trauma centers — as well as better surgical techniques,” the report said. " you- There is a reason why gun control fails time and time again. People are not fools. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968 who's the FOOL NOW. YOU HAVE NOTHING.  
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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #49)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:49 PM
50. Your ignorance regarding the AWB is showing
Response to hack89 (Reply #50)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:05 PM
51. i thought i used it pretty well to confuse the crap outta ya!
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i said-
wasn't there a ban on guns from 1994-2004 or something? you started off on some sort of odd tanget, nonsensical, really- hack89 (18,118 posts) 43. Rifles and shotguns combined account for about 3% of murders. the AWB could not possibly account for such a huge drop. then? The 1994 AWB was aimed at semi-automatic rifles. YOU are the one who brought up guns by bringing up the AWB. so..the AWB (which i never mentioned) has nothing to do with regular rifles, or that 3%, um, and guns don't kill that many people, so they have nothing to do with the amount of deaths, neither do laws, health care is the answer. hack89 (18,118 posts) 30. Since we slashed criminal gun violence without strict gun control how did we do that, exactly? it makes it seem like we are cutting criminals with knives now? is this really true? 
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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #51)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:50 AM
Straw Man (6,212 posts)
63. What an incoherent mess.
Response to Straw Man (Reply #63)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:19 AM
75. i agree, this guy is paid WAY too much. making you look bad, really...focus, now...
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #51)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:10 AM
64. The only gun ban from 1994 to 2004 was the AWB
Response to hack89 (Reply #64)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:24 AM
77. how could a GUN BAN lower violence when VIOLENCE HAS NOT ACTUALLY GONE DOWN?!?!?
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #77)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:08 PM
81. The FBI and DOJ disagree with you.
Response to hack89 (Reply #81)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:36 PM
88. no,they don't,you are using ONE number from 1 of their pages,and not using it very well, i'm afraid
see how you just "picked" 1992 there, so your "facts" would "sound good"? so really, the rate is the same as 1985, there was a downward trend after reagan being shot, and oh WHOOPS after the AWB BAN BAN BAN, also a big drop, hmm. get some real facts and DON'T come back... |
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #88)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:44 PM
89. Can you at least try to understand what you post?
Response to hack89 (Reply #89)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:54 PM
92. isn't UNDERSTNDING YOU more important? i know what i'm saying, do YOU?
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #92)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:28 PM
96. I never said it was down because of more guns
Response to hack89 (Reply #89)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:03 PM
93. to make your "50%" thing correct, you'd say...
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #93)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:26 PM
95. So tell me how the AWB impacted deaths due to handguns
Response to hack89 (Reply #95)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:23 PM
133. i won't because it didn't. again, post #130...
Response to hack89 (Reply #31)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:21 AM
76. i think you are trying to brainwash people about gun violence and you should stop
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #76)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:27 PM
83. Too bad you have no hard facts to back up your opinion. nt
Response to hack89 (Reply #83)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:29 AM
111. (Fact#1 states with least gun laws=more deaths)+(Fact#2 states with most gun laws=least deaths)=
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Fact#3 guns cause more deaths.
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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #111)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:16 AM
113. Fact 4: all those states saw significant reductions in gun violence
Response to hack89 (Reply #113)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:58 AM
117. i don't think you can call it a "fact" when it is just some words you type.
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #117)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:07 PM
118. No - there are actual hard facts provided by the FBI
Response to hack89 (Reply #118)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:42 PM
125. the FBI would be the 1st to say they aren't in the 'facts' business. those are numbers that you are
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #125)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:50 PM
128. 2006 = 10,225 deaths by firearm. 2010 = 8,775 deaths
Response to hack89 (Reply #128)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:20 PM
130. that sure ain't 50%, says nothing about where the deaths were or what the gun laws were in place
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #130)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:25 PM
134. You don't read very well, do you?
Response to hack89 (Reply #134)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:11 PM
145. i don't even have to read to know you are full of it
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #145)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:33 PM
148. Yet with more guns and laxer laws the rates fell for 20 years.
Response to hack89 (Reply #148)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:35 PM
149. more guns means nothing- what about the number of gun OWNERS going down? means less guns in public
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #149)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:50 PM
150. So we are on the right track it would appear
Response to hack89 (Reply #150)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:52 AM
152. but it has nothing to do with more guns. remember that part.
Response to farminator3000 (Reply #152)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:55 AM
153. You would be wrong about non- lethal shootings being up
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 03:07 PM
Fresh_Start (11,326 posts)
29. The press needs to stop shielding the public from the victims of gun violence
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 03:52 PM
spanone (133,412 posts)
32. thanks steve!! great work
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:21 PM
45. check this link out
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html
How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown? Slate partners with @GunDeaths for an interactive, crowdsourced tally of the toll firearms have taken since Dec. 14. By Chris Kirk and Dan Kois Posted Monday, Dec. 31, 2012, at 9:00 AM ET my math here: 321 dead divided by 17 days = 18.8.. PER DAY!
i see you are from nyc, i was thinking the same thing as you when i posted this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022094575 whoa! they caught the guys already! http://online.wsj.com/article/APaa742a9cd468476198ba0ec8c9d6759a.html thanks! |
Response to regjoe (Reply #46)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:15 PM
52. no, you might have a problem with Scalia's latest, though
Response to regjoe (Reply #114)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:37 PM
billh58 (6,597 posts)
121. Your continued use of the term
Response to regjoe (Reply #46)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:39 PM
billh58 (6,597 posts)
100. Spoken like a true NRA
Response to regjoe (Reply #122)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:23 PM
billh58 (6,597 posts)
123. Typical NRA response:
Response to regjoe (Reply #142)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:45 PM
billh58 (6,597 posts)
144. You are still spewing
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NRA talking points, and the NRA is the organization which has perverted the 2nd Amendment through bought and paid for politicians. You and the NRA are attempting to spread fear among the American public by screaming "they are coming for your guns." It isn't disrupters like you that we need to defeat, but the NRA and other right-wing anti-American organizations which spread death for profit.
And of course you need to brag about your attempts to subvert the discussion on DU, and turn it into an anti-Constitutional fuck fest. Now go on back to your personal attacks, because that's all you got... 
P.S. I'm placing you on ignore now, because I have more important things to do like donate to the Brady organization and MAIG. Your NRA talking points are just too repetitive to deal with, and you obviously have nothing else to offer. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:30 PM
48. Raising awareness this way could incite fear and uneasiness.
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You could very well just end up driving more people to feel the need to seek protection (get their own gun). People don't act rationally when acting out of fear. Plastering every shooting and killing all over social media will just give people a sense of being unsafe.
That's how we got to this mess to begin with. The media playing violent headlines over and over... if it bleeds it leads, so to speak. Fact is that despite people feeling more unsafe than ever, they've never been more safe in recent history. Violent crime is at 40+ year lows with a decade of downward trends... our modern media just has WAY more coverage of these events than it ever has shown. IMO, the media & public disconnect with reality is big enough to question whether there is a motive involved involved here somewhere I don't think fear will lead to meaningful reform... people need to be logical reasoned with to achieve meaningful reform. Interesting article on the need for a paradigm shift in crime reporting: http://www.niemanlab.org/2012/06/new-and-better-models-for-crime-reporting/ Similar blurb article from 2008: http://www.utexas.edu/features/2008/crime/ 
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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #48)
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:19 PM
53. just awareness, thanks, you are the scared, uneasy one...
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:31 AM
spanone (133,412 posts)
78. kick for stevenleser
Response to spanone (Reply #78)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:32 PM
GoneOffShore (16,875 posts)
86. And another kick for the OP.
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:13 PM
94. No Shortage Of Gun Violence At Start Of New Year (Huff Post) we only made it 30 minutes into 2013...
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:13 PM
109. you certainly are correct about that google thing!
Response to stevenleser (Reply #116)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:18 PM
119. don't cha love the internets? cool, thanks!
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:49 PM
127. Little Girls Survives New Year's Shooting (sic) (come on, ABC? sp. error in the actual web address?)
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Little Girls Survives New Year's Shooting
http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/Little-Girls-Survives-New-Years-Shooting/dtkW5hO2mEWDXvbNn4kP3w.cspx?rss=59 (my emphasis) A look at the bedroom where she was shot told the story. It was easy to see where the bullet came through the wall, hit Ray Janae where she sat drawing, bounced off a carpet and went through a wall on the other side of the room, out into the stairwell. The results were obvious. There were bullet holes throughout the interior, blood soaking the carpets and even more blood on the walls. “When I saw the blood coming out of her leg, I just grabbed her,” Wright told abc24.com. After recovering from the shock, Wright rushed Ray Janae to the hospital, where the news was good; the bullet that hit her right leg didn’t do serious damage.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:53 PM
129. 12:33 PM EST Jan 02, 2013 - Police: Man kills self after fatally shooting girlfriend-WTAE Pittsburgh
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:34 PM
billh58 (6,597 posts)
138. You may want to check out
Response to jody (Reply #140)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:17 PM
147. did you happen to mention your 'CRS report' is 118 pages long and you posted 2 lines?
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:47 PM
154. Sandy Hook kids face 1st classes since shooting
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:25 PM
billh58 (6,597 posts)
155. Another K&R to
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keep this thread going, and in the face of the Gungeoneers...
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