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GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:30 PM Jan 2013

Thoughts On Stopping Rampage Shootings Before They Happen

Both the Left and the Right are appalled by the recent rampage shootings and want to end them, but offer radically different solutions to the problem.

The Left, in general, proposes to limit access to weapons, increase access to mental health care, and increase mental screening.

The Right, in general, wants to increase the level of armament of law-abiding people and eliminate gun-free zones, and have official armed guards at schools.

Neither set of solutions will solve the problem.

Limiting access to weapons will merely be circumvented. Rampage shooters are not impulse shooters. They reach their decision to commit their deeds and then take weeks, sometimes months, to plan and prepare to strike. Since they are preparing for mass murder, they won’t care about any other laws they may break along the way. They will have the time to find the desired weapons. They often commit suicide as the final part of their act, so what have they to fear of punishment for breaking any other laws?

While improved access to any form of health care is a worthy goal in its own right it will not catch all those who will go on such a rampage. In a nation of over 310 million some will always slip through any system.

There aren’t enough mental health care professionals to be able to screen all who some would want to be screened. Besides, who screens the screeners? The Ft. Hood shooter was himself a psychiatrist.

The Right’s solutions don’t work either. There aren’t enough armed guards to be at every school, day care, shopping mall, or other potential target. CCW classes are oriented towards self-defense, not towards being a wannabe cop. The idea of having some teachers with concealed firearms among junior high school boys should be enough to send shivers down one’s spine.

BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THAT I THINK WILL WORK.

Almost all of the rampage shootings seem to have a common link. They are all a form of performance theater. The shooter wants the spotlight of history on them. They want their name, their full name, to be remembered for decades. They know that by committing such a horrible atrocity that they will have pages in books dedicated to them. I read somewhere that the Columbine killers speculated on which Hollywood stars would play them in the movie that was certain to be made about them. (I have no idea how that was known.)

Deny them that spotlight. I think it would be able to pass legislation that would also pass SCOTUS strict scrutiny Constitutional examination that would ban the publishing, in any media, of the name of a rampage killer. The legislation would need to be fairly simple so that any media could easily understand the difference between a rampage killer and an ordinary murderer. There would be penalties for violating such a law. Let such a killer be known as “killer number xx”. Let him become, in the language of Orwell, an unperson. Let the spotlight be entirely upon the victims, but let the killer be in deepest darkness.

If he knows that he won’t get the attention that he craves, even posthumously, then he will have to seek other means to that spotlight.

Such legislation could be quickly drawn up. I think that both left and right would support it.

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Thoughts On Stopping Rampage Shootings Before They Happen (Original Post) GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 OP
Maybe all "gun porn" should be banned MightyMopar Jan 2013 #1
Guns are a legal product. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #2
Tobacco industry had pictures of people smoking banned MightyMopar Jan 2013 #3
People smoke in movies hack89 Jan 2013 #6
First Amendment would stop you cold. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #10
Don't publish the alleged killer's name; just make up a description meow2u3 Jan 2013 #4
Good idea. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #7
Maybe stop covering up for big pharma. n/t warrprayer Jan 2013 #5
What does that have to do with it? N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #8
well, this for one thing warrprayer Jan 2013 #11
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #12
be careful warrprayer Jan 2013 #13
Good idea RobertEarl Jan 2013 #9
hey Robert warrprayer Jan 2013 #14
Any crime committed to gain media attention shall be censored. FarCenter Jan 2013 #15
 

MightyMopar

(735 posts)
3. Tobacco industry had pictures of people smoking banned
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jan 2013

Why not ban all pictures of people shooting guns including in movies?

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
4. Don't publish the alleged killer's name; just make up a description
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jan 2013

such as the Movie Theater Killer, the Public Square Killer, etc.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
13. be careful
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:41 PM
Jan 2013

there are pro big pharma people patrolling the threads who will tell you you are demonizing the mentally ill if you call for more regulation for big pharma as well as the gun nuts.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
9. Good idea
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jan 2013

Call them something like: Poor dumb ill person who did this should have been locked up before this happened # 42

The idea is to shame them ahead of time, right? Get it in their heads that they will not ever be famous. Take away any idea that they will be known as anything but a poor dumb person that society has no use for.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
15. Any crime committed to gain media attention shall be censored.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jan 2013

This would also stop terrorism.

Mass murderers are media events; they do not result in a statistically significant number of deaths.

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