Is it possible for men to be fully human?

[Jackpine Radical]

9 votes, 10 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	No, they are all brutish louts.
	4 (44%)
	No, they are all loutish brutes.
	1 (11%)
	Only if they are gay.
	4 (44%)
	Only after double orchiectomy.
	0 (0%)
	10 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[TwilightGardener]

1. OK, you've got me laughing.

[quinnox]

2. gosh, I hope so

[Scootaloo]

3. "Pass"

I'm afraid my cybernetic impants make me more than human... and yet... somehow less as well.

Oh well. At least I have eye-lasers and you don't.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. Men?

Ewwwwwwwwwww.

[demwing]

5. Yes, but only if

a legitimate feminist gives us the stamp of approval first

[quaker bill]

19. Would approval by several lesbian couples count?

They seemed sort of feminist...

[billh58]

6. Is it possible

for men to be fully human? Depends on how you define "be."

[Nay]

7. OK, I laughed out loud at all the choices. Funny poll, Jackpine! nt

[patrice]

8. Sure! but only after dinner and a movie.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. Why sure, you can have a couple of my fine Orchids!

....wait, that's not what you're here to take?

[Kurska]

10. I laughed and then I served on the jury

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Satire is perfectly allowable.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Yet another shit stirring post.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: This is just getting stupid and stopping any real discussion from happening.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's just a stupid post that should be ignored. I don't feel it's bad enough to be removed -- it's not vicious. I've seen worse. It's just a dumb post.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given


Proud to be the deciding vote to keep you trucking.

[Jackpine Radical]

14. I truly appreciate that.

This place has gotten far more Politically Correct and humorless than it used to be.

[Kurska]

16. No problem, glad to help n/t

[99Forever]

36. Someone actually alerted on this OP?

There's some people around these parts that take themselves WAY too freakin' seriously.

[el_bryanto]

11. Sweet Jesus

Of course it's possible for men to be fully human as it is for woman to be fully human. Frankly Men, particularly White Men, don't have to worry so much about being reduced to a category. But we are conditioned in certain ways, in the same way that everybody is conditioned. Some of that conditioning might be beneficial, and some of it is less beneficial.

But its' always best to be aware of your conditioning and prejudices rather than just sitting back and feeling sorry for yourself because some people don't like you calling yourself a feminist.

Bryant

[Warren DeMontague]

15. The Feminism "question" is interesting because in recent years we have heard that the label has a

Bad rap with younger women because it is perceived (wrongly, we have been told) to mean something intolerant and non-inclusive, and something other than what I've always thought is the actual meaning, i,e. "supports equality for women".

If "Feminism" really is this inclusive term defined by the umbrella of "Supports equality for Women", then one would think that not only CAN Men be Feminist, but they should be, if they are decent human beings and not a-holes.

It's only in the last week or so that I've heard these sorts of proclamations about "Men, stay out of Feminism!"

Until recently, I was under the impression that it was a term we all should embrace, particularly to clear away the misconceptions that are causing young women, in large numbers, to reject the name.

Odd, to say the least.

[Kurska]

17. Exactly my views on the matter.

Well spoken.

[leftstreet]

22. Men are praised for being 'feminists,' women aren't

And that right there should tell us something

[Warren DeMontague]

25. They are?

I havent seen that.

[leftstreet]

26. Of course they are

A man who supports equality for women is never called a 'feminazi'

[Warren DeMontague]

29. You mean the stuff Rush Limbaugh says?

Im sure he has choice words for liberal and progressive men, too, but honestly I don't give a shit what that asshole says.

But I thought you said men who self-identify as "Feminists" get some sort of benefit. Avoiding an insult aimed at someone else is not technically a benefit, particularly if they would have avoided the insult also had they not adopted the label at all.

[leftstreet]

31. A man who supports equality for women gets a pat on back

That doesn't always happen for women

But I suspect you understand that - you're pretty smart

[Warren DeMontague]

33. A pat on the back from who?

Are you asserting that men only support equality to get back-pats? (Trust me, they're overrated)

Or should men NOT support equality?

Despite being a straight man, I support full equal rights for LGBT citizens. Now, thankfully, at least in my progressive circles, it is "cool" to do. Yet, I supported equal rights when it wasnt cool, too. I suppose I can feel a bit vindicated because I was ahead of my time. But whereas now maybe I get pats, in the old days I got funny looks (from the stupid ones, at least)... What's the difference?

We do what we believe is right. That's all we can do.

[leftstreet]

34. I asserted no such thing (as you know)

But I agree with you that some men are certainly calculating enough to adopt a faux feminist support schtick to get an ego erection out of it

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Hmm.

Interesting theory.

Like the song says, "some folks look for answers, others look for fights"

[leftstreet]

39. Just playin in the san...band box

[Warren DeMontague]

43. I remember the show I was at when "I can tell your future, just look what's in your hand" clicked.

Like, oh, that's sort of heavy.

[Nevernose]

49. But they are called

"White knights" or "manginas" or any other choice terms, usually from the same creeps who use the word "feminazi."

[el_bryanto]

24. This was my initial response

That said spending some time trying to understand may make it seem less odd.

I think also there is a vector of what feminism is really about - is it about economic equality? Political equality? Representation equality? or is it about consciousness raising, interpersonal relationship equality, social equality?

Bryant

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Theres also an element on DU that is not happy unless the board is having a flamefest

Around their particular issue of interest.

For some it is meat eating, or animal rights, although we saw more of that in the old days. For some, it is the green party or the perceived inadequacies of the Democrtic Party.

For some, it is stuff like smoking bans.

Right now, for obvious reasons, DU is pretty focused on gun control. (And for other, pretty obvious reasons, there have been concerted efforts from some quarters to change the subject or otherwise ivert from gun control)

And for some people, it is gender.

I do not, however, see how telling men they cannot or should not label themselves as "Feminist", is helpful. But i m not going to assist in stoking a conflagration on the matter, so that's all I've got to say on it.

[Major Nikon]

48. Imagine if other areas of academic interest were similarly conflated

[Warren DeMontague]

54. That's the greatest thing I've ever seen.

[Dash87]

58. +1

Epic

[Major Nikon]

40. I think the label has a bad rap for some, but perhaps not most

I try to avoid labeling myself as much as possible. I don't mind being called a Democrat, but I would never call myself a feminist, or even a meminist (totally made up word), or a MRA. While I wouldn't mind associating myself with the likes of Herb Goldberg (or Betty Friedan in the case of feminism), undoubtedly there are those who would pull the guilt by association card on the worst sort that call themselves that and I'd have even more men to carry on my back when discussing gender issues. Ironically these are the same people who refuse to carry the worst sort of feminists on their back, but still want to use the label as validation of their ideas without taking ownership of which feminist school of thought they subscribe.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. I go by the "supports equality for everyone, regardless of gender" school.

So whatever that's called.

[dsc]

45. thank you for this

this is the point I was trying to make, rather badly, in that thread.

[sibelian]

47. "White Men don't have to worry so much about being reduced to a category"

..........

[SummerSnow]

12. Well does this include Steve Austin,The six million dollar man? He was cute and all man.cue tv theme

[MissMarple]

13. Humor is a wonderful thing.

[TeamPooka]

18. 5. All of the Above

[FarCenter]

20. Only if they are bisexual

[Quantess]

21. WAAAH!

[GeorgeGist]

23. No. That Y chromosome ...

is a few genes short.

[FarCenter]

27. By that critierion, only trisomic females would be fully human.

[Speck Tater]

30. Define "Fully himan"

If by "human" you mean the bad-ass hunters who brought home the meat in the stone age family unit, then ONLY men can be fully human.

If by "human" you mean the nurturing mothers who gathered plant foods and tended the young, then only women can be fully human.

If you mean the partnership that made human survival possible for hundreds of thousands of years in the midst of harsh post-ice age changing climate, then both are fully human.

[Douglas Carpenter]

32. ALL humans are fully human. That's the problem

[Douglas Carpenter]

35. dead white male bashing pc thugs

[Mc Mike]

46. I've been called a greasy thug before, too. And it never stops hurting.

[backscatter712]

38. (INSERT SNARKY ANSWER HERE.) n/t

[nachosgrande]

41. No.

But we can achieve sub-human status through chemical castration.

[undeterred]

44. Is this a trick question?

[HereSince1628]

50. IMO this is abusing the Ace available to be played against the patriarchy

it's sort of sad to see. It's pretty hard to do a chatroom joke on this topic

[Egalitarian Thug]

51. Feeling somewhat bitter? n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

52. Not particularly.

[Larrymoe Curlyshemp]

53. Super Meh

[KoKo]

55. I guess I'm lucky...I'm married to one. So..I don't get this poll and i don't

vote in DU Poles because the Administrators used to BAN folks that answered polls on DU if they answered in a way that didn't support DU's Guidelines. The Guidelines are much more strict on DU-3...so you'll never see me answering any DU Poll (which are futile exercises, anyway) .......but, thought I would answer you ...that I am NOT married to one who is NOT"human." There ARE MALES who are NOT "Knuckle Draggers."

So. there it is. If you want to count me as one who isn't afflicted who may be a some unusual statistic.. Yes..I'm lucky and so is my partner. I think there are many of us...but, MSM doesn't want to talk about that.

[Ter]

56. Alerted for sexism

Reverse men with women in the title, and the jokes and laughs would abruptly end.

[Dash87]

57. Only when there's not a full moon out.

If you hear howling, RUN!