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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:11 PM Jan 2013

Greetings, DUers! Ready for your Friday Afternoon Challenge? Here it is: “Illuminations.”

Illumination has been a subject and condition of art since the Lascaux cave painters. Now at midwinter let us identify these works of the optical sublime...

Good luck, and of course...no cheating..

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Greetings, DUers! Ready for your Friday Afternoon Challenge? Here it is: “Illuminations.” (Original Post) CTyankee Jan 2013 OP
#2 is by that Dutch guy jberryhill Jan 2013 #1
lol Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #2
It isn't the Dutch guy... CTyankee Jan 2013 #4
Okay, maybe that Belgian or Flemish guy jberryhill Jan 2013 #6
strike out! CTyankee Jan 2013 #9
#5 is *TA-DA!* that Dutch guy pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #59
Thank goodness jberryhill Jan 2013 #60
No, I knew all along that you hadn't... CTyankee Jan 2013 #63
#5 looks like a Caravaggio. . . annabanana Jan 2013 #3
it does, but no... CTyankee Jan 2013 #5
#2: Georges de la Tour - The New Born Child nt pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #7
pretty much screams de la Tour, doesn't it? CTyankee Jan 2013 #8
I like Caravaggio better pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #11
number 1 is a degas IcyPeas Jan 2013 #10
Very good! It IS an early Degas...altho I just don't know how you got it from the woman in blue CTyankee Jan 2013 #14
I couldn't guess it, but on review, the fall of the fabric in the veil is a giveaway. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #26
#3 is a Thomas Kinkade. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #12
It isn't Kinkade altho maybe Kinkade liked this artist. I don't really know since I don't know that CTyankee Jan 2013 #15
#4 could be one of a few American western artists cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #13
Interesting response and of course, you have a background in this art. not johnson, tho...but... CTyankee Jan 2013 #17
Okay... I'll revert to my first guess cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #20
Great analysis! I thought it looked a lot like what we now call photorealism. Or maybe he was CTyankee Jan 2013 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #16
#4: Remington - Moonlight Wolf nt pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #18
there ya go, pinboy! What gave it away to you? CTyankee Jan 2013 #19
He was one possibility, but I wasn't at all sure pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #22
it's very interesting that the artist had this fascination with night painting... CTyankee Jan 2013 #30
I really like that one; it is unique. CrazyOrangeCat Jan 2013 #54
#6: Francisco de Zurbarán - St. Francis nt pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #23
indeed. do you like zubaran? CTyankee Jan 2013 #28
His depictions of monks are interesting pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #34
Nada ellisonz Jan 2013 #24
Oh, I'm sorry. I don't want anybody to feel down about the Challenge. Don't worry, next week CTyankee Jan 2013 #31
I hope so! ellisonz Jan 2013 #35
That's ok, I'll give you some mini-courses with my Challenges! Hopefully, you'll love it so much CTyankee Jan 2013 #37
You forgot the greatest work ever of the illuminated genre Botany Jan 2013 #25
Thank u for giving me a greater appreciation of art. psychmommy Jan 2013 #27
thanks! Did you take art appreciation in school? I find lots of people here telling me that CTyankee Jan 2013 #29
nope, plus I partied alot and vaguely remember my undergrad years. . lol psychmommy Jan 2013 #33
welll, here we are! I came to this kind of art fascination pretty late, too. CTyankee Jan 2013 #36
#s 3 and 5 are left! Let's hear it from you, folks... CTyankee Jan 2013 #32
#3 reminds me of Thomas Hardy's novels. Is it a 19th century painting? yardwork Jan 2013 #38
It is 19th century but I am not connecting to Hardy...but I never read hardy so I don't know... CTyankee Jan 2013 #39
The opening scene of The Return of the Native describes a peasant bonfire celebration. yardwork Jan 2013 #43
Oh, thanks for that info! It is good to know! CTyankee Jan 2013 #49
Millet's painting was done in 1874. The Return of the Native was published in 1878. yardwork Jan 2013 #53
#3: Jean-François Millet - Hunting Birds at Night pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #40
good for you! Interesting work, isn't it? CTyankee Jan 2013 #42
It's very unusual pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #50
a lovely description of this very strange work. It almost seems desperate. What drove people to CTyankee Jan 2013 #51
#5 looks like Artemesia Gentileschi democrat in Tallahassee Jan 2013 #41
it does look like Gentileschi but it is not hers...and I don't think of Leyster into chiaracuro CTyankee Jan 2013 #44
I do like Leyster though democrat in Tallahassee Jan 2013 #46
Oh, I adore both of them. Brave women all. And they did good! (my mouse pad is a Leyster CTyankee Jan 2013 #48
Where's the gd Kincaid? mwdem Jan 2013 #45
well, in a word, no. CTyankee Jan 2013 #47
You do know I'm kidding, right? mwdem Jan 2013 #52
well, no, I don't know how serious anyone coming here is. So I don't want to say anything that is CTyankee Jan 2013 #55
Sorry...I was being flippant mwdem Jan 2013 #56
#5: Hendrick ter Brugghen - The Concert pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #57
Utrecht Caravaggisti, a fascinating group... CTyankee Jan 2013 #62
This was a good choice - it was hard to figure out! yardwork Jan 2013 #69
glad you liked it! Another one next week... CTyankee Jan 2013 #70
oooh, pick me... lapislzi Jan 2013 #58
glad to see you! looks like de la Tour has his followers here at DU tonight... CTyankee Jan 2013 #64
#1 is entitled Mlle Fiocre in the Ballet The Source CTyankee Jan 2013 #66
Thank you! I'm ashamed...I should have known that. lapislzi Jan 2013 #67
Hey, I would never have guessed Degas just by looking at this painting. Without some CTyankee Jan 2013 #68
#6 = St. Francis, by Zurbaran. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #61
The title I have is "St Francis in Ecstasy" altho I think he looks dead... CTyankee Jan 2013 #65
I should have guessed St Francis, having seen one before. Morbidity and decay were certainly on the entanglement Jan 2013 #71
thank you for the kind words! That one is kinda scary... CTyankee Jan 2013 #72

IcyPeas

(21,866 posts)
10. number 1 is a degas
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jan 2013

the woman in blue with the veil gives it away for me. Also the horse. He has a few paintings with horses.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
14. Very good! It IS an early Degas...altho I just don't know how you got it from the woman in blue
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jan 2013

with the veil...I wouldn't have known this had it not been pointed out to me...

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
26. I couldn't guess it, but on review, the fall of the fabric in the veil is a giveaway.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:24 PM
Jan 2013

It looks like the netting on a ballet tutu. Maybe that is why Degas liked to paint dancers. He liked to paint the fall of the fabric. I'm just guessing for fun.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
15. It isn't Kinkade altho maybe Kinkade liked this artist. I don't really know since I don't know that
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jan 2013

much about him.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
13. #4 could be one of a few American western artists
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jan 2013

Frank Tenney Johnson? But it has a bit more... vitality than most Johnsons. They are Johnson stars though.

But would you feature someone that relatively minor? Hmmm. I don't want to say Remington, though it could be... it's his kind of thing, even down to the scratchy vigorous excution. Maybe Couse.

But I'll guess Johnson because he made his career on those distinctive green nights, and is thus statistically the best guess. (He did more green night with stars paintings than anyone else.)

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
17. Interesting response and of course, you have a background in this art. not johnson, tho...but...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jan 2013

you are on the right track...

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
20. Okay... I'll revert to my first guess
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jan 2013

Johnson got the green night thing from Remington, so I should have just guessed Remington but I wanted to show off.

The thing is, Johnson was a heavy painter... thick paint. Remington was not. So the scratchiness and exposed under-paint, and the iconic/simple image, and the fascination with encounters at water holes, and the thinness of the wolf (Remington like thin things, not rounded things) are all Remington and I outsmarted myself.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
21. Great analysis! I thought it looked a lot like what we now call photorealism. Or maybe he was
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:39 PM
Jan 2013

trying for something like that, even back in the late 19th century. Like most Americans I think of Remington's cowboy, bucking horses type of art but this just struck me as interesting. Evidently, he did a number of night time paintings but the ones I saw all had dudes in cowboy attire around campfires which would have been pretty simple...this caught my eye with the green effect.

Response to CTyankee (Original post)

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
22. He was one possibility, but I wasn't at all sure
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:41 PM
Jan 2013

I searched on the subject rather than trying to search by artist.

CrazyOrangeCat

(6,112 posts)
54. I really like that one; it is unique.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:32 PM
Jan 2013

I have always liked night scenes, both painted and photographed.

Thanks.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
31. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't want anybody to feel down about the Challenge. Don't worry, next week
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:49 PM
Jan 2013

may have something you studied in art history or art appreciation and you'll recall it...a lot of folks here do that...art will simply enrich and save your life, trust me!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
37. That's ok, I'll give you some mini-courses with my Challenges! Hopefully, you'll love it so much
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:59 PM
Jan 2013

you'll start Googling and god knows what will happen to you then!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
29. thanks! Did you take art appreciation in school? I find lots of people here telling me that
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:38 PM
Jan 2013

they took art history or art appreciation as an elective as an undergrad and never forgot the experience! It's wonderful!

psychmommy

(1,739 posts)
33. nope, plus I partied alot and vaguely remember my undergrad years. . lol
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:53 PM
Jan 2013

It wasn't my talent and I couldn't relate. Now I am old and mellow, I can appreciate it now.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
36. welll, here we are! I came to this kind of art fascination pretty late, too.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:57 PM
Jan 2013

I had already gotten a Master's in Liberal Studies where I had done an Independent Study on Caravaggio. When I retired a few years later, I fell in love with art entirely. Hence, my fascination and these Challenges!

Also, it keeps my brain from atrophying...

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
43. The opening scene of The Return of the Native describes a peasant bonfire celebration.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jan 2013

This doesn't look like a celebration, though.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
49. Oh, thanks for that info! It is good to know!
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:24 PM
Jan 2013

but it IS interesting to see how one artist or one artiistic school influences another art movement...perhaps this is one of those cases...

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
53. Millet's painting was done in 1874. The Return of the Native was published in 1878.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:30 PM
Jan 2013

It is possible that Hardy's novel was influenced by that painting!

This is so interesting. I love the Friday Challenge!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
40. #3: Jean-François Millet - Hunting Birds at Night
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:08 PM
Jan 2013

It took me a long time to figure out what was going on here. Eventually the birds and the clubs made me think of bird hunting.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
50. It's very unusual
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:24 PM
Jan 2013

I looked up some more information on it:

Philadelphia Museum of Art: Handbook of the Collections

This haunting and strange picture--brutishly literal yet terrifyingly generic--is the final painting by Jean-François Millet, a remarkable last testament by one of the most profound artists of the nineteenth century. He drew on his own boyhood experiences in depicting the subject of bird's-nesters, who would hunt great flocks of pigeons at night by blinding them with torchlight and then clubbing them to death. By the 1870s Millet's paintings of rural life were among the most famous in France. His subjects are nearly all drawn from the peasantry, done just as the countryside was being depopulated by immigration to the new industrial centers. But unlike many other artists who worked in the very popular specialty of "peasant painting," Millet's great genius was his ability to bond his subjects to their native place while simultaneously elevating them to a level of universal humanity. Much of his success was based on his evocation of a communal memory of a lost rural world that was either arcadian or pathetic or a combination of both. Joseph J. Rishel, from Philadelphia Museum of Art: Handbook of the Collections (1995), p. 197.

http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/102872.html


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
51. a lovely description of this very strange work. It almost seems desperate. What drove people to
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jan 2013

such means and ends for their very subsistence?

41. #5 looks like Artemesia Gentileschi
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:09 PM
Jan 2013

She was a follower or Caravaggio. On the other hand, something reminds me of Judith Leyster in Holland--maybe the musical instruments but I don't think she was that into chiaroscuro.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
44. it does look like Gentileschi but it is not hers...and I don't think of Leyster into chiaracuro
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:12 PM
Jan 2013

either. I saw her work on an art intensive in the Netherlands in 2011...

46. I do like Leyster though
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:18 PM
Jan 2013

And I admire Gentileschi (and Leyster) too. It was not easy for a woman to become an artist.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
48. Oh, I adore both of them. Brave women all. And they did good! (my mouse pad is a Leyster
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:21 PM
Jan 2013

flower work that I bought in the gift shop in the Frans Hals House Museum in Haarlem...)

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
47. well, in a word, no.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:19 PM
Jan 2013

paintings of effects of light, as I said in my OP, go back to the Lascaux artists who positioned their images to catch the rays of the sun at winter solstice. Then we have stained glass windows in medieval Europe light, Muslim radiance, Romantic landscape artists, and the "scientific data" of the French Impressionists...and on and on.

Historical perspective informs...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
55. well, no, I don't know how serious anyone coming here is. So I don't want to say anything that is
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jan 2013

not nice, but I want to emphasize the positives. This is a gentle place and I don't want to put anyone down for their questions about what I have posted. I hope I didn't come across too harsh (my hubby thinks I came across too strong).

thank you for your kind words. I'm glad you like the Challenge!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
57. #5: Hendrick ter Brugghen - The Concert
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:53 PM
Jan 2013

That was tough! (And my final search even turned up a Kincade, lol!)

More info on this painting:

This painting has a strong claim to be ter Brugghen's finest treatment of a secular subject. He has taken a scene favoured by Caravaggio and his Roman followers - a group of flamboyantly dressed musicians seen by candlelight - and treated it in his own distinctive manner, placing the dramatically lit half-length figures against a light background.

Paintings of the same subject by Caravaggio (New York, Metropolitan Museum of Art) and Bartolommeo Manfredi (Florence, Uffizi) are among the prototypes for this composition. Their large-scale, half-length figures, their crowding together within the composition and their closeness to the edge of the canvas, as well as the bright, colourful palette can all be found in this painting. Ter Brugghen brings to this existing format an individual fluency in modelling the soft edges of his forms and a remarkable subtlety of palette.

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/hendrick-ter-brugghen-the-concert


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
62. Utrecht Caravaggisti, a fascinating group...
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:59 AM
Jan 2013

after they died out Caravaggio slipped out of favor until the early 20th century. Ruskin had hated him. Then he was rediscovered and is now the most popular artist in the U.S. (according to some). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utrecht_Caravaggism

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
69. This was a good choice - it was hard to figure out!
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 11:00 AM
Jan 2013

I was all over the google last night trying to figure out if this was Caravaggio or one of his contemporaries. I even scanned images of Rembrandt - I just couldn't figure it out.

Another beautiful and fun challenge for a Friday night!

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
58. oooh, pick me...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:07 PM
Jan 2013

#1...Odilon Redon? I know the painting, and I know it's from they Symbolist school. Wish I could remember more, as this is one of my favorite periods of art.

#2 Georges de la Tour.

#3 Courbet?

#5 Caravaggio (studied intently by de la Tour, above)

Thanks for a fun challenge, as always, CTY

...your friend in NY

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
67. Thank you! I'm ashamed...I should have known that.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:54 AM
Jan 2013

I studied Degas pretty heavily. Of course that was 30 years ago. This painting, which includes some of his favorite subject matter (horses, ballet, bathers), foreshadows by 20 years his Symbolist compositions.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
68. Hey, I would never have guessed Degas just by looking at this painting. Without some
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:18 AM
Jan 2013

background, I didn't put together the thematic approaches altogether (horse, ballet, bathers as you point out). It was pretty mysterious to me, so I have learned something....

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
65. The title I have is "St Francis in Ecstasy" altho I think he looks dead...
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:07 AM
Jan 2013

his skin pallor is the same as his robe...

entanglement

(3,615 posts)
71. I should have guessed St Francis, having seen one before. Morbidity and decay were certainly on the
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:25 AM
Jan 2013

artist's mind.



Great "challenge", as usual

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