Do you support or oppose the the United Nations Security Council on Mali?

[ellisonz]

10 January 2013
Security Council
SC/10878
AFR/2502
Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York

Security Council Press Statement on Mali

The following Security Council press statement was issued today by Council President Mohammad Masood Khan ( Pakistan):

The members of the Security Council express their grave concern over the reported military movements and attacks by terrorist and extremist groups in the north of Mali, in particular their capture of the city of Konna, near Mopti. This serious deterioration of the situation threatens even more the stability and integrity of Mali and constitutes a direct threat to international peace and security.

The members of the Security Council recall resolutions 2056 (2012), 2071 (2012) and 2085 (2012) adopted under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, as well as the urgent need to counter the increasing terrorist threat in Mali.

The members of the Security Council reiterate their call to Member States to assist the settlement of the crisis in Mali and, in particular, to provide assistance to the Malian Defence and Security Forces in order to reduce the threat posed by terrorist organizations and associated groups.

The members of the Security Council express their determination to pursue the full implementation of its resolutions on Mali, in particular resolution 2085 (2012) in all its dimensions. In this context, they call for a rapid deployment of the African-led International Support Mission in Mali (AFISMA).

The members of the Security Council call for the immediate issuance of an agreed political road map, which includes serious negotiations with non-extremist Malians in the north and presses for the full restoration of democratic governance.

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http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2013/sc10878.doc.htm

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	Support, the United Nations Security Council is the legitimate administrator of global security policy in accordance with international law.
	2 (50%)
	Oppose, the United Nationals Secutity Council is an illegitimate entity produced by an imperialist hegemony that enforces a neo-liberal world order.
	2 (50%)
	Other, Please Explain
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[Follow The Money]

1. What is happening in Mali is a "direct threat to international peace and security"

drama queens

[Follow The Money]

2. the fact that the US still has a seat at the table after numerous war crimes in Iraq and elsewhere

is the answer to your question.

Unless and until the US is unable to veto every resolution brought forth to protect Palestinians, they are illegitimate.

The fact that the US and Israel, both guilty of war crimes, decide what happens on that council, and Palestinians who are the most abused population on the planet are treated as second class citizens. they are illegitimate.

Why was the UN created, and why were Geneva Conventions created?

To establish war crimes and stop future countries from committing them against innocent nations.

Pre-emptive war, collective punishment, torture, cluster bombs, Fallujah!

The UN has not been doing their job to protect innocent nations around the world. Sorry can't trust them.

[ellisonz]

5. Is President Obama a "war criminal"

[Arctic Dave]

3. Where is the box for , This is a derp derp derp poll?

So much derp, not sure where to begin.

[ellisonz]

4. "Other, Please Explain" or "Rats"

Derp.

[closeupready]

6. What's so special about Mali, that

the UN gets involved there, but not Syria?

Far more at stake and far more stability in Syria; yet, the UN has stayed out.

[ellisonz]

7. Russia and the PRC keep vetoing resolutions on Syria...

...despite this UN envoys have tried to achieve a ceasefire, various UN organizations are assisting with relief efforts, and member states are taking steps to assure the conflict does become wider.

[closeupready]

8. Which simply underscores, for me, the total corruption of

what the UN was supposed to do when it was founded - prevent war and improve human lives.

I suppose if the UNSC can agree to get involved in Mali, and keep the peace, fine.

[ellisonz]

9. In the terms of which the UN was conceived...

...these are not the conflicts the UN was designed to prevent. I would credit the UN in no small part for the planet having not been vaporized in a nuclear exchange.

[bobclark86]

10. Two-fifth of the UNSC don't sell Mali weapons...

only the French. Oh, and since it is the people the French sell weapons to who are being threatened, the French are willing to step in to maintain their export market.

In Libya, nobody was selling anything to Libya, so nobody cared.

It's a giant fucking racket, and nothing more. Follow the dollars (or Euros, Rubles or Yuan), and you'll usually get your answer.

[ellisonz]

12. Mali doesn't have the money to buy new weapons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malian_military

Looks like the tried to buy arms from the Russians last winter: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2012/11/mil-121101-rianovosti01.htm
And have continued to try to purchases old Soviet weapons: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19990480
We ***gave*** them a minimal amount of vehicles and other equipment: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8316269.stm

I can find no evidence of Mali making any substantial purchase of French military equipment.

If you really want to follow the dollars - it's the hostage taking dollars you should watch:

* AQIM - Born out of the Algerian Salafist movement, GSPC, Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) arrived on the public stage in January 2007. It rose to prominence partly by attacking Algerian government forces but mainly through its involvement in kidnapping Westerners across the Sahel zone including Mali, Niger and Mauritania. It has also links to trans-Sahara smuggling - a trade that includes drugs, guns and people - topping up the tens of millions of dollars raised from ransom-taking. In July 2012, the head of U.S. Africa Command described AQIM as al-Qaeda's "wealthiest affiliate".

- Its objectives include ridding North Africa of Western influence, overthrowing apostate "unbeliever" governments. Its leaders are Algerian militant Abdelmalek Droukdel and Salah Gasmi. Gasmi, the group's number two, was arrested in northern Algeria last month. It has traditionally operated in Mali through two wings, or katibas. France has advised its 6,000 citizens in Mali to leave as AQIM has in turn promised revenge for the French military intervention in Mali.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50457590#.UPSl-YVGSCM

[UnrepentantLiberal]

11. Start an African Foreign Legion.

Problem solved.

[ellisonz]

13. Kick