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When you've lost the Koch brothers, you've lost the game.
Republicans intent on smashing through the debt ceiling in order to wring some spending concessions out of President Obama are finding themselves awfully lonely these days, but they've kept soldiering on. The latest ally to abandon them may be the toughest to ignore, though. The president of the group Americans For Prosperity, bankrolled by Charles G. and David H. Koch of Koch Industries, yesterday said the group wants spending cuts, but warned Republicans that screwing around with the debt ceiling "makes the messaging more difficult," the Financial Times writes. The AFP president also warned Republicans not to be seen as "hostage takers." That's a marked change from the summer of 2011, when AFP objected to a debt-ceiling deal because it didn't cut spending enough, the FT notes.
This is way, way beyond former House Speaker Newt Gingrich telling House Republicans to give up on its debt-ceiling threat, like he did again yesterday. Newt's always rattling on about moon bases and zoos and stuff, so nobody listens to him. And certainly the House GOP doesn't care that Sen. Susan Collins (RINO-Maine) warned them to bow to the inevitable and raise the debt ceiling, as she did yesterday. Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) and former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-DebtPanicStan) are a little tougher to take, but the cognitive dissonance arising from their debt-ceiling warnings is still manageable.
But the deep-pocketed Kochs are harder to ignore. Similar warnings recently from Tom Donohue of the Chamber of Commerce, along with the Financial Services Roundtable, the Business Roundtable and other job creators, also can't be ignored. These people have all of the money. And if the economy goes off the cliff, as a new survey of economists strongly suggests it would in a ceiling-breach, then these people will have less money available for campaign contributions. Game over.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/koch-brothers-debt-ceiling_n_2486191.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics
Vietnameravet
(1,085 posts)I have been wondering if something like this would happen....The business wing of the Repubs recognizes the Crazies will hurt them more than they hurt the Democrats..
gateley
(62,683 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)Xolodno
(6,390 posts)...hurt their pocket book.
Have been waiting for this!!
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)appleannie1
(5,067 posts)stultusporcos
(327 posts)and see the 1% suffer as a result but I have not decided if it is worth it yet.
randome
(34,845 posts)The best thing for the greatest number of people. Obama is no Superman but I think that's his thinking on this and most other issues.
stultusporcos
(327 posts)is all I care about.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)about it.. no change in lifestyle whatsoever! The rest of us are crushed... So we must save the kochs their billion so the rest of us can eat. We really have to turn this around.
Follow The Money
(141 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)even if thousands, not BILLIONS...
Welcome to DU, btw!
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)having to beg for their continued existence of their business empire from the Obama Administration. Why? The Clean Air and Clean Water acts' grandfather clauses expire in 2015 and, surprise, surprise, the Kochs built their empire by acquiring dirty, grandfathered plants no one wanted because they would prove too expensive to bring into EPA regulatory requirements. So, the Kochs face business annihilation without the cooperation of the Obama Administration.
renate
(13,776 posts)I thought they were just behaving the way they do because they're asswipes, but they have an actual reason for being so Koch-brother-y. Intriguing. It could be fun to see what happens in 2015.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)And you will find the true motivation of these asswipes.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)All those issues they ran on and revved up the hateful lemmings about meant nothing but that. I told people at the time, but you know about shiny or sexy things. People think that's what the game is and it is never what it is.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)That is really interesting and explains a lot. They thought buying the presidency would get them out of that problem, so all the spending was worth it to them. Now, they'll have to think of a different solution, new federal spending to renovate old power plants and build new ones, maybe.
2naSalit
(86,577 posts)They also own probably half the paper industry, a percentage of the chemical industry and cosmetics and other daily items many of us use. It would be interesting if they started losing their privileges as far as exemption from our environmental laws, specifically, they could shut down a large portion f our production and product availability. If they did, nationalizing a number of these assets might be in order... You never can tell, "public option" is coming up for another round all of a sudden..? One can only hope, and keep the pressure up on our "representative".
think
(11,641 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Can you provide some sources for this? I'd love to use it.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... or create a newer one that they can hide better.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)do you have a link to this information?
If true Obama has them by the short hairs and that would be a most logical explanation for the Koch's "enlightenment."
Turbineguy
(37,322 posts)our investements and pensions to become worthless, not their own.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)Caeser67
(156 posts)AKA the Koch Brothers, will sell you out for a dollar.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Going mano-y-mano with them in political ads and elections is futile. They have resources and friends in media that make it easy for them to not only out spend Progressives but also to out shout them all day long. The ONLY thing that affects their thinking is hurting them in the wallet. A massive boycott of Koch industries products would be 100X more effective than political ads, debates or elections combined!
Want to bring Charles and David Koch back to reality? Damage their stock prices and watch them sing a new tune REAL fast...
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)boycott some of their paper products. I don't have a link. I think sparkle paper towels. I remember I didn't use any of them anyway. We can get to their friends though.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)they won't get every last quarter............................................. of a million.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The danger will come if the Koches meet up with cranks like Bloomberg or Lynn Evelyn de Rothschild, both of whom hate the left, both of whom hate the GOP, and all of whom have said they would bankroll a third party.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Shutting down the government would be a massive loss for the Republicans.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,954 posts)The Koch brothers created this monster.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Cha
(297,184 posts)to STFU.
Not to mention.. Tom Chamber of Commerce Donohue sayin' the same..
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)All awone and no debt ceiling to call my own..
Quantess
(27,630 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)Having them is more dangerous than not.
So, if the Republicans have lost them, who "has" them?