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boxman15

(1,033 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:04 PM Jan 2012

Andrew Sullivan changes his mind about the State of the Union

Sullivan was not impressed with Obama's speech initially, unimpressed by his more liberal stances (I enjoyed seeing them), calling him another Bill Clinton. Here's what he says now:

After Some Sleep

It does help, after these frenzied few weeks. I think my reaction to the SOTU reflects a skewed perspective - much different than most people tuning in, who were the speech's core audience. A big part of the speech was reminding Americans of the facts about Obama's record - as opposed to the massive lies and distortions we keep hearing in the GOP debates. That's new to many; and it's impressive. But since I wrote that argument and have been defending it for more than a week, I didn't hear that part, or heard it and dismissed it as old news. It may be old news to me, but it isn't old news to most Americans. So I was focused on policy specifics, which were indeed underwhelming, as others have noted, with a few possible exceptions (the task force targeting Wall Street corruption; the mass mortgage refi proposal).

And the focus entirely on getting the wealthy and successful pay more - outside the context of comprehensive tax reform - rubs me the wrong way. It puts Obama in the position of liberal crusader against the wealthy, rather than centrist reformer of the system. Yes, I know he can't reform the system with this GOP. But since they favor tax reform, that proposal would have put them on the spot. By all means, make it revenue-neutral and then in a second term raise the rates a little, if revenue continues to be a problem. I just think Obama needs a big centrist cause in the campaign as well as a few big liberal ones.

But we have entered a purely political season. And Obama is being purely political here - in a way he pledged not to be in 2008. It may be a master-stroke - since he sure has painted the GOP into a corner on fairness, and his arguments here have broad traction. And if he destroys the GOP this year - and he probably will if Gingrich is the nominee - then it may all come together. But it will mean a much more liberal Obama, which is why this centrist supporter gets a little queasy.

Still, the GOP asked for it. By denying him any cooperation, they have ceded policy to him. And if he wins, they will be on the ropes for a while. And that's how Obama could truly become the liberal Reagan I spotted in 2007. Because he will not only shift the landscape toward more government intervention, he will have reformed the opposition party to reflect that change.

And who should really get a big part of the credit for turning America to the left? The Republicans who made Obama more liberal than he ever wanted to be. Congrats, guys. You may really be making history.


The idea that the craziness and obstruction on the GOP's part has pushed Obama to the left is an interesting idea. I don't know if that's the only reason he's lurched to the left, but the idea of Obama being the left's Reagan is an interesting notion that I think may end up becoming reality.
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Andrew Sullivan changes his mind about the State of the Union (Original Post) boxman15 Jan 2012 OP
interesting dionysus Jan 2012 #1
The Republicans pushed Obama left! Of course! gratuitous Jan 2012 #2
Poor Andrew, so conflicted. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #3
Once a right winger, always a right winger. Dawson Leery Jan 2012 #4
Pompus gas bag Peregrine Took Jan 2012 #5
It's deep political chess, Sully doesn't get it. bemildred Jan 2012 #6

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. The Republicans pushed Obama left! Of course!
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jan 2012

It takes an uncommon mind to think of things like this, but Bareback Andy is once again equal to the task.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. Poor Andrew, so conflicted.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 07:35 PM
Jan 2012

Perhaps he should wake the fuck up regarding "And the focus entirely on getting the wealthy and successful pay more - outside the context of comprehensive tax reform - rubs me the wrong way. "

Gosh Andrew, every time we have 'comprehensive tax reform' (and how would that happen anyway) the rich end up paying less and the middle class ends up paying more. I'll settle for a butt-simple millionaire tax.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
4. Once a right winger, always a right winger.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 07:41 PM
Jan 2012

Andy is disappointed with the GOP and the state of the Conservative movement. He went with Obama in 2008 because Obama did not speak about liberal ideals. Obama has to talk about them now. The nation needs more progressive policies. 30 years of Laffer Curve Supply Side Voodoo economics has to stop or else America will be a two class society where a small percentage of the population will control all of the wealth. Perhaps it is time for Andy support Newt Gingrich. Andy is closer to Newt than Obama.

Peregrine Took

(7,413 posts)
5. Pompus gas bag
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 08:43 PM
Jan 2012

I'll never understand this dude' "popularity" or whatever it is that keeps his name out there.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. It's deep political chess, Sully doesn't get it.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:25 PM
Jan 2012

Best job of political rope-a-dope I've ever seen. This is going to be the best election since 1976 when Jimmy kicked their ass.

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