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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaddow warns GOP’s presidential vote rigging plan ‘is gathering steam’
Following up on her Tuesday segment, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow explained how Virginia Republicans planned to set up the presidential election system in favor of the GOP.
We have been documenting over the last few days what appears to be a coordinated effort by Republicans in a number of key states to change the rules for electing a president, she said. To change the rules so essentially Democrats running for president cannot win.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/23/maddow-warns-gops-presidential-vote-rigging-plan-is-gathering-steam/
AzDar
(14,023 posts)mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)rigging of the vote?
randome
(34,845 posts)My worry is that these changes may fall under 'state rights'. If a state -through its legislators- decides it only wants to elect Republicans, is there anything that can be done?
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)If a state decides it wants to throw out any vote by an African-American, or anybody names Jose, can they do it?
Yes, until challenged in court. I don't see where this is any different. They want to create a situation where a clear majority of the state votes one way and their electors vote a different way.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)would run afoul of the very notion of democracy in the Constitution. It is amazing to me that we are hearing NOTHING about this.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)after what we have seen in the Bush Selections and the blatant suppression of voting in the last election? Really?
This is why I say--Democracy is for Other Nations, as far as the US is concerned....
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)I expect nothing less from Republicans than dirty tricks, election rigging and lies. Nothing new there.
But it is unconscionable that the Democratic party should remain so silent on such a fundamental thing.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)This is political hardball.
The Republicans have been laying the groundwork for this over decades at the local levels.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)manipulations of what amounts to criminals.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)It is true that states are free to make up their own rules as to how the electoral votes are cast for their state, there are however federal civil rights laws that the states must follow and it is likely that the proposed system violates those laws by weakening minority voting influence.
If they were allotting the electoral college vote based on the proportion of the vote then I would agree with you, it would be perfectly legal. Allotting based on Congressional District is likely illegal however because such a huge proportion of the minority vote are concentrated in just a couple urban districts while most the rural areas are heavily white and minorities have little influence. The disprortionate effect this system would have on weakening the minority vote likely makes it illegal.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)After a 6 year hiatus, Maine's super cold winter temps have returned, with the added bonus of switching back and forth here near the coast from 40+ last week to -10 (not including wind chill which made it closer to -30 to -40) the last few nights, with the swings roaring through sometimes in a matter of hours.
So I've been thinking of heading further south, and Virginia is on my list of places to go. And being a small farmer type, red rural is where I'm likely to head.
Here's to demographics changing faster than the GOP can gerrymander them away
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)bless yer heart for thinkin you'll change the demographics faster than the GOP can gerrymander. People forget that VA (and NC) are 50-50 states, which means there's a lotta blue--so come on down and help tip it.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I always thought it meant...
NC is on my list too. My biggest worries about moving south, being rural, are ticks, poisonous snakes and tornadoes. Also extreme heat, which I hate as much as extreme cold...
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--that's the problem with Southernisms. They keep ya guessin. Forthright Northerners (bless their hearts) try to apply a formula they can cope with. But Southernisms are always open to interpretation in context. Whenever a Southerner says "Come back and see us" (ie. y'all come back now)--they may mean --"I hope we never see you again," or they may mean "If you're in the neighborhood, feel free to drop in," or they may mean, "You're welcome again IF I invite you." You have to interpret which it is depending on the level of warmth and previously earned feelings of trust.
If you're in rural areas where Southern speak is alive & well, you'll have plenty of fun getting used to it.
Ticks--my friend got Lyme in Wisconsin. "Tick check" after being outside (you have 12 hours to do that--if you pull off a tick during that time, you are unlikely to get sick).
Snakes--just know their habits. Don't hate on 'em --cause then you'll see one for sure.
Tornadoes--head for the toilets if you're in a Big Box store. Hurricanes--you get warning so batten down.
Extreme heat --I think you can adjust to--hydrate often and slow down in the afternoons. Walk more slowly. I was in DC with some New Yorkers this past weekend for the Inaugural and was reminded how fast they like to walk. Stop that. The race is to the tortoise in summer in the South. Slow down and smell the magnolias.
Consider NC as well as VA. Very similar states. Good luck. If you have any more Q anytime --shoot. (And I DO mean that
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)way too fast for me.
Here in Maine, in the summer we slow way down since the heat -- it might get all the way up to 80! -- could kill ya. Although the drivers speed worse than in winter, and that's bad enough.
But in the winter, we move fast to keep from freezing in place. If you see someone moving slowly, they probably have hypothermia. Ayup!
My neighbors growing up were from the south -- Georgia, SC and NC. I remember the slowness, but not most of the colloquialisms, other than Y'all come back. Oh, and the time the SC neighbor asked us if Y'all want a cookie? and her 4 year old daughter answered, "Me'all's had mine!"
I grew up in Pennsylvania, so know all about ticks. I still remember the day, as a teenager, I couldn't take my August cabin fever any more and ventured out of the a/c. I walked out through the 1st floor attached garage, down the middle of our driveway (surrounded by mowed flat lawn) and down the middle of the street with not one bit of tree shade. I was outside for 20 minutes, 30 tops.
Back inside, I started my standard, post-excursion, tick search. I quit counting at 18. 18. 18 and counting creepy-crawly, blood-thirsty little monstrosities. I moved from standard search to strip search. From there, in desperation, I filled the tub, climbed in, held my breath and went totally under while feeling through my hair. Aaaaack!!!!! That memory alone gives me pause...
Up here we have ticks, but not many. Not 18. At once. And our -10 nights this week may kill off a bucketload of them.
Anyway, before moving I'll have to inherit something or at least get a decent price for my house up here. Time will tell...
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)that decreases ticks up north. You stepped in a nest. Could happen anywhere. I presume you know about the chiggers down South... (I hope--) In some ways worse than ticks.
I can see that is a tick phobia with a very vivid origin!
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Republicans pull shit like this when their cause is dying. They're in their last throes, as Cheney would say.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)it is far easier anyhow if there is theft (which is not a known fact, as I blame Nader for 2000 in Nov.2000 over the theft that Nader allowed 5 weeks later).
this all is a red herring, announced years in advance to depress the vote or get rid of the electoral college
btw, Virginia is not a blue state alot of the time
and Texas will be blue
therefore the constants won't remain constant
so, IMHO it's a transaprent red herring all the way around.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:41 AM - Edit history (1)
It isn't a red herring. it isn't a head fake.
It is a very conscious effort to turn Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Virginia into electors-by-congressional-district states. If successful, on top of the Gerrymandering already in place, this will take 30-60 electoral votes away from whomever the Democratic nominee is on 2016.
It is a serious problem. It is not a red herring.
still_one
(92,190 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)was picking up steam...
Although the theft is underway in Virginia.. and well started in a few other states.
JPZenger
(6,819 posts)Yep, they are doing everything they can to cheat. In PA, last year, they had proposed to split electoral votes by US House Districts - which are extremely gerrymandered.
The Va Senate is tied Dems - Repubs. On Martin Luther King Day, the Repubs made sure the Senate was in session. They knew a 79 year old former civil rights leader would be attending the inauguration on MLK Day, so they could play a parliamentary game to force through a surprise vote. The re-re-districted the Senate seats, which had already been redone in 2011 after the Census. As a result, they guarantee themselves control of the State Senate for the rest of the decade, unless the US Dept of Justice stops them.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)AND virginia is not a blue state and PA is.
However, Chris Christie as VP or Pres. in 2016 could win PA, therefore, when they go and change it, who loses? The republicans.
this is a red herring.
meanwhile, if they don't do it in red states, and Hillary wins five or six red states, including Texas, that could be 85 plus democratic electoral votes, far offsetting anything else
again, playing a game where one is depending on one change, with everything else constant is playing it wrong.
all constants don't remain constants.
President Obama would have won just as many votes with this sytem by playing his side of the game different.
One does not remain dormant
and dirty tricks are always around.
Why they were asleep at the wheel in Virginia, well, why not just win in 2014 more red districts?
After all, it depends on the voters all these plans, not who is in the house.
And the repubs don't have the voters. Cheating doesn't get them more votes.
It is simple to see.
this is a colassal waste of time, same as worrying about a non-existent theft in 2004, 2008 and 2012 was a waste of time.
Instead of focusing on getting more voters, as was done in 2008 and 2012.
2000 proved what happens when people get lazy or sidetracked, and 2010 enforced that.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)This would fix presidential elections for the future for the GOP to win, even when they have many less votes. No change in tactics would alter the outcome.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Texas used to be blue
then it turned red
soon it will be blue again
not constant, moving.
why did we let Karl Rove stock every single office in every state from bottom up?
Why do democratic senators all wish to leave the office and go elsewhere?
A contract should be signed from this day forward that anyone running for office, has to finish the term in office, and if they are not running again, give way in advance notice(senator, at least two years notice, so someone else can get proper finaincing.)
It's not the game it's how the game is played. Why do Democratic seat holders always appear to be sleeping? How could it be a secret that Virginia was going to meet? Isn't there one person who works in that building who couldn't have called someone?
Sleeping is no excuse.
But what stops the democrats from doing the same thing in red states?
NOTHING.
being gentlemen and gentlewomen in politics allows one to lose.
Which is why, we need money, money, money to fight for every district in every state.
again, this is a red herring to get democratic people to want to get rid of electoral vote.
And for every electoral vote they think they will steal, then winning a red state that is not
reproportioned will be 100% democratic gain, zero republican gain
and one is assuming so many things that don't play out the way it is assumed.
What makes one think the voters of Virginia won't vote out all the people who changed the law?
You gotta answer to the voters after all.
Newt Gingrich thought he was so smart in the 90s. Til he and the house lost.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Beartracks
(12,814 posts)Then... we all lose.
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Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)Ever wonder why so many right-wingers claim that the US is a republic, not a democracy? It's because in their heart of hearts, they DON'T believe either in the idea of one man, one vote or the idea that a majority of American voters should be allowed to choose the people to represent them.
This appears to be the real, unspoken agenda of today's reactionary right. Not simply repealing the 20th century, but apparently any notions of extending citizenship and the right to vote past Justice Taney's bounds from the Dred Scott decision back in the 1850's.