***** Official GOP Debate thread - 8pm ET on CNN - live stream links below ***** #2

[Tx4obama]

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January 26, 2012 - Jacksonville, FL
Sponsored by: Republican Party of Florida/The Hispanic Leadership Network/CNN
Candidates scheduled to attend: Gingrich, Paul, Romney, Santorum
Moderator: Wolf Blitzer

List of all scheduled debates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_republican_debates
http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/



****** LINK to DU DEBATE thread Part ONE here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002226757

[w8liftinglady]

1. Oy Vey... Let's make space a corporate entity

[tridim]

3. Huge ass billboards!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

2. Ron Paul says that asking about his age may lead to age discrimination BUT...

I thought Paul was against ANY government intervention, especially that regarding charges of discrimination!!

[demtenjeep]

4. I would love to see he and fat newty race on a bike

newt couldn't make 1 block on flat lands

[Ebadlun]

6. I was crediting him with a certain sense of irony

But I might be wrong - he's not nearly as consistent as he thinks he is.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

20. Exactly. He really isn't. He rails against pork but freely takes it for his district. Not consistent

at all!!!

[Mosaic]

72. All politicians lie

This scumbag is no different.

[Canuckistanian]

11. Ooo, good point

He suddenly comes to a realization that WHITE people can be discriminated against, too.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. +1!! Nicely done!!

[tridim]

5. Newt wants an American on the Moon before China.

Uhm...

[Ebadlun]

8. There's already been an American in China

[tridim]

10. Stop the presses!

[high density]

7. Policitians to the moon, Alice!

[Tx4obama]

9. Ages of the candidates

GOP 2012 Presidential Candidates

Ronald Ernest Paul
Born: August 20, 1935 (age 76)

Newton Leroy (McPherson) Gingrich
Born: June 17, 1943 (age 68)

Willard Mitt Romney
Born: March 12, 1947 (age 64)

Richard John Santorum
Born: May 10, 1958 (age 53)

See more here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512955

[JI7]

16. shouldn't Santorum be called Dick instead of Rick ?

although i never knew how Richard=Dick

[oberliner]

53. Gingrich is about as old as Reagan was when he was elected

About a year or so difference.

[Tx4obama]

63. We don't need another 'feeble' president in the oval office ....

watched a documentary not long ago and they were talking about Reagan's Alzheimer Disease starting while he was still in office.

[coalition_unwilling]

145. I read somewhere that Lawrence Walsh was set to issue an

indictment of Reagan for Iran-Contra until Walsh interviewed Reagan and recognized the symptoms of early onset of Alzheimers.

I've never been able to find that citation but, if my memory is correct, it marks Lawrence Walsh as an eminently decent human being.

[newspeak]

151. I wonder sometimes who was really running the show under Reagan

remember poppy's "I was out of the loop" moment? I think he lied to congress, and nothing was done about it. Afterwards, we found that he was probably part of the loop. When there's real corruption, it seems on the hill, they all hide their heads like ostriches.

The repugs spent millions of our money attempting to find anything on clinton. Which lie hurt the american people the most? Hint: it wasn't a BJ.

[yellowcanine]

91. Not to mention that Newt looks like a walking coronary in waiting.

[tavalon]

146. Wow, Man on Dog

is the only one not knocking on the "entitlement" door.

[w8liftinglady]

12. F%CK- they have argued for 5 minutes about putting a man on the moon

[tabatha]

15. Check Maddow now. LOL.

[graywarrior]

32. Watching

Hilarious!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

13. Mitt: "You're fired!"

I don't Mittens should even joke about that kind of thing. He hasn't learned anything yet??!?

[w8liftinglady]

17. Yeah...ask Paul about lack of healthcare

[Bluerthanblue]

18. Paul entered the Air Force in '62? Romney says NH wanted to bury power lines from Canada?

Newt says Pres. O "threatened" to withold SS checks?

twisting the truth and lying...

[w8liftinglady]

19. Hmmm everyone wants to repeal anything that will provide healthcare to the uninsured

[cyberswede]

23. and the unemployed woman who asked the question *applauded*

[AsahinaKimi]

27. noticed...

Its like as if "Obama care" is some kind of pox on the nation. Geeze, this is the best they got?
No... no ..no... and no.

*Takes Tums*

[w8liftinglady]

21. And I will add- I work as a nurse in Texas- 50% uninsured by their employers

[demtenjeep]

24. they are all asses

but Newty is the biggest ass and mean and disgusting



I got the vision he really talks down to Callista as well. PRobably orders her around since she is just a lowly female

[w8liftinglady]

22. Ahhhh now they're bringing up Romneycare

[w8liftinglady]

25. ..and Gingrich supported government healthcare for 20 years..per santorum

[Lint Head]

26. Newt just said if you don't have a job you shouldn't have health care.

He actually said your job should determine 'if ' your have health care and 'which' insurance corporation provides that insurance.

Sounds like a damn fascist corporate state to me.

[w8liftinglady]

30. Not unreasonable- then the poor will die,replaced by new plebes

[Hepburn]

31. Repuke health care...

...die quickly.

[Hepburn]

28. So, Ricky, if one has NO insurance...

...he or she gets better care??? WTF is your idiotic point????

[joshcryer]

29. I thought Republicans liked mandates!

[jeanmarc]

33. Not one person on that stage can solve this woman's problem with no insurance

This is just pathetic watching these dummies talk over the actual question:

how does this woman afford insurance, especially when she is unemployed?

[high density]

34. Republicans just want us to all work for nothing and die, like workers at a Foxconn factory in China

Let's stop debating health insurance because these people have no solutions to the problem.

[w8liftinglady]

35. Let's hear about the freeriders riding the insurance welfare plan

this is making me absolutely sick...

And they call themselves religious

[jillan]

36. Romney just did a great job of explaining "Obamacare" There is NO Gov't healthcare!

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. "I wrote a book in 2002, it calls for you and your doctor and your pharmacist to have a relationship

... says Gingrich, although it's not clear if he's talking healthcare or his previous marriages.

Thank you, Guardian.

[oberliner]

38. Wonder why Rick is going after Mitt rather than Newt

Is he looking for a #2 spot with Mr. Grinch?

[highplainsdem]

40. I just think he feels Romneycare is an easy target, and he needs an easy target now.

[Lint Head]

39. You gotta be frigging kidding me! Williard said that the state doesn't give free health care.

He said, if you have a medical bill that you can't pay the state picks up part of the tab and you pay it back. I guess that would work if your not a disabled paraplegic orphan.

[jeanmarc]

41. Tell us about the old days, Ron

Back in my day, things weren't so expensive and disease and sickness was just so much less complicated!

Ahole.

[w8liftinglady]

42. In Texas, 50% of women having babies are covered by "Government " healthcare... Dr Paul SHOULD know

[ecstatic]

43. Can't believe the unemployed woman was clapping during their non-answers

It was President Obama who fought for her to get unemployment insurance while repubs called her and other unemployed people lazy!

[jeanmarc]

45. She can keep clapping on her way to the bus or her car....

and then she'll stop clapping when not one of these bums had an answer for her problem.

[joshcryer]

52. +1, it's remarkable, isn't it?

[NAO]

143. EXACTLY!!!! The truth, the issues are completely non-issues

How can someone clap to their own death sentence?

Republican propaganda machine.

[high density]

44. Gingrich/Rubio...

God that would be a disaster.

[oberliner]

47. I think that would be the greatest possible outcome

Obama would win in a massive landslide.

[high density]

56. One would hope

I thought the same thing after the GOP in Maine put forward a teabagger gubernatorial candidate... It ended up being a three way race and he got he most votes as the sane vote was split between the Democrat and an independent.

[tavalon]

147. There isn't a clown on this clown car

with which Obama could not win against in, as you put it, a massive landslide. I personally want Romney because he is a 1%er and this spring, that is going to be a firecracker.

[tavalon]

150. Williard, the Corporate Rat

Any artists here?

[w8liftinglady]

46. Geez- Now they are trying to virtually blow the Hispanic population

[w8liftinglady]

50. y la majoridad in Tejas quien son Hispanicas

Voten por los Democraticos.

Republican HATE the Hispanic vote.

[Mosaic]

76. Let them lose

America is a liberal country. The loud mouths who believe otherwise need to stfu.

[Tx4obama]

48. Wow... the way Newt worded that ....

it made it sound like Newt thinks that cabinet members aren't in 'dignified roles'

[rainbow4321]

58. Yep..thought the same thing as soon as he said it

I think it was newt code talk for "pick me, pick me, and I will make him my VP pick!"

[jillan]

49. Which one of these assholes is going to be the first one to diss Michelle Obama????

My bets are on Newt.

[oberliner]

60. I think Newt will be nice

He's not going to want to spend too much time on this topic I wouldn't think.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

51. Notice that when Mitten is off message, he starts stuttering. When Rick Santorum took him to task,

He starts stuttering!

[w8liftinglady]

54. kinda like the "rich kid" who has to do his own homework

[oberliner]

55. First lady question - idiotic

There has seriously been close to zero substantive discussion in this debate.

[deacon]

71. A realllllllllllllll waste of valuable debate time. Wolf is one ignorant son of a bitch. n/t

[newspeak]

152. yeah, well the league of women voters once upon a time

hosted the debates. But, now it's all contrived, shallow debate. Nothing of substance, nothing that would really help the american people make an informed decision. Most of it is basically shallow and worthless, but some of the plebes seem to eat up that empty, mostly mean, rhetoric.

[Gin]

57. Play on words

Mewt and Nitt!

[w8liftinglady]

59. F&CK... now they're bringing the first ladies into the brawl

[mfcorey1]

61. First lady question is a way to avoid offending Newt but to talk about his

adultery anyway. Spineless moderator.

[w8liftinglady]

64. LOL...gotta say...Newtie loses this one!

[Ebadlun]

62. Whose wife would make the best first lady?

Am I watching the Hello magazine debate by mistake?

[demtenjeep]

66. haha for a minute I thought Newty was gonna talk about 3 of his wives

hehe

[Tx4obama]

68. Yeah, that's how it sounded !!! LOL :) n/t

[rocktivity]

70. That was NOT the exact wording of the question, was it?

By the way, Mitt, it's much easier to overcome multiple sclerosis and breast cancer when you get all the medical care that money can buy.


rocktivity

[FarLeftFist]

65. You guys, this debate is HILARIOUS, yet SCARY at the same time.

[oberliner]

67. Newt, which of your three wives would make the best first lady?

That would have been a more fun question.

[w8liftinglady]

69. All three of the wives would make great first ladies... OH, NOt MY wives?!

[RichGirl]

74. Really???

Newts wife had an ongoing affair with a married man....what kind of role model is she....the "other woman"?

[w8liftinglady]

73. OY VEY...... now we bring up abortion!?

[GusFring]

75. had to turn after the Rubio ass kissing.

is this guy really that popular?

[Mosaic]

81. Rubio?

The 4 losers on stage turn my stomach. rubio not so much.

[GusFring]

92. so u like Rubio?

[Lint Head]

77. So, people who don't buy Santorum's wife's Christian book they are not civilized?

What a bigot!

[Mosaic]

86. Santorum is disgusting

A real piece of shit.

[IcyPeas]

78. Newt, why are all the arts programs being cut in schools

what would Calista do?

[Tx4obama]

79. Ron Paul: "My wife is the mother of five of our children." There are others?

As seen on Twitter ...

@OTOOLEFAN Don Millard
Ron Paul: "My wife is the mother of five of our children." There are others? #cnndebate
https://twitter.com/OTOOLEFAN/status/162722702858260480

[rocktivity]

80. How is the applause-y clappy thing working out for them?

rocktivity

[deacon]

82. Mitt is a snake. n/t

[w8liftinglady]

83. Geez... Romney never voted for a Democrat when a Republican was on the ballot

[oberliner]

85. Who did Paul Tsongas run against?

Was he running unopposed?

[elleng]

144. 'In '74 he ran for the House . . .

The district had elected only three Democrats in its entire existence and had been in Republican hands continuously since 1895. However, in the massive Democratic wave of the post-Watergate election of 1974, he defeated freshman Republican Paul W. Cronin by an amazing 21-point margin. He was reelected handily in 1976, becoming the first Democrat to hold the district for more than one term. Increasingly popular and well-liked in Massachusetts, in 1978 he ran for and was successfully elected to the Senate, defeating incumbent Edward Brooke by a 10-point margin.

Later that year, he was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin lymphoma[1] and in 1984 announced his retirement from the Senate. His seat went to fellow Democrat and 2004 presidential nominee John Kerry. After fighting the illness he returned to politics, and ran for his party's nomination for President in 1992. Until the 1992 campaign, Tsongas had never lost an election. . .

During the early weeks of 1992, things seemed to be going Tsongas's way when one of the potential major candidates, Bill Clinton, stumbled over issues involving marital infidelity and avoidance of the military draft during Vietnam. While Clinton was hurt by these issues, the damage seemed to bottom out several weeks before the New Hampshire primary. While Tsongas was the actual winner in terms of votes received and delegates won, Clinton advisor James Carville tagged Clinton with the label "the Comeback Kid" and claimed that Clinton's campaign was back on track. While ostensibly the front-runner, Tsongas was already considered by many to be behind Clinton after just one primary.

Following the New Hampshire primary, Tsongas was unable to match Clinton's fundraising. Clinton later went on to win most of the Super Tuesday primaries. Tsongas did go on to win delegate contests in Delaware, Maryland, Arizona, Washington, Utah, and Massachusetts, but his campaign never recovered from Clinton's comeback; Clinton won the primaries of most of the more populous and delegate-rich states.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tsongas

[w8liftinglady]

84. Screw the Cubans- per Santorum

[powergirl]

87. SANTORUM is quoting lyrics from the Sound of Silence, I think

Silence cancer something . .

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

88. Mitt Romney: I-I-I-I...UUHHSHHSHHHH - uuuu ahhhhh ---jhhhhhhh

As I stated before, when caught off guard and off message, he starts stuttering and not making sense.

[rocktivity]

93. Take away his religion and his one-percent-ness

and he'd STILL be unelectable for his personality alone -- it's NONEXISTENT.


rocktivity

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

142. I hope you're right. Compared to Newt, he did great.

[w8liftinglady]

89. Damn Paul... he is trying to make sense again...talking to Cubans

[powergirl]

90. Cuban embargo hurts Cubans - per Ron Paul

I hate it when I agree with him. I have noticed he got some applause.

[sasan76]

94. Romney is too much of a pussy to try to attack Paul, so he takes a cheap shot at Obama.

[deacon]

100. Rehearsed. n/t

[DCBob]

95. Cuba bashing is dumb.

They are living in the past.

[newspeak]

153. remember little boots thought daddy would have been reelected if he'd started another war

repugs love them some enemies because even if they haven't served their country, they can do that john wayne, tough guy talk. There's nothing heroic putting on a flight suit strutting around or yelling on a bullhorn on top of rubble, because you didn't take warnings seriously.

And those who have seen the horrors of war, who actually know something about real heroism, they make them into villains with the help of our shilling mcpravda media.

[deacon]

96. There's enough hot air on this stage to thaw alaska. n/t

[agentS]

148. ain't that the truth?

We need a DUzy button. This post is a winner.

[Mosaic]

97. Damn Plutocrats

Lying about freedom constantly.

[jillan]

98. How can Newt get away with saying that Obama ignores Cuba when the question is about Obama wanting

to open trade and travel to Cuba????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????////

[oberliner]

99. Takeaway will be: Mitt on fire, Newt weak

Not accurate necessarily but that's how I see this being reported.

[deacon]

104. Mitt Homina Homina Homina Romney. n/t

[oberliner]

101. Wow - Mitt is not pandering to the Palestinian-Floridian voter

Doesn't seem comfortable on this topic.

[w8liftinglady]

102. Mitt said Obama is against Israel.

[oberliner]

105. Back to the Mitt-Newt show

They are the only ones who get to answer that one?

[Mosaic]

103. Now the Israel ass kissing

What a stupid audience.

[powergirl]

106. Isn't it SAFER to have the United States Embassy in TEL AVIV

instead of Jerusalem.

[think]

107. Puerto Rico statehood. Great question

[downwardly_mobile]

108. Did the SOUND go wobbly a few minutes ago, or is it my TV?

[nanabugg]

109. Why wouldn't Wolf let Ron Paul answer the Palestinian?

Just wanted to make sure only one side of the issue was heard in my opinion.

[w8liftinglady]

110. Ahhh...NOW,religious beliefs

[powergirl]

113. ron Paul gave a decent answer to that one

it affects how you treat people. What about Newtie??

[w8liftinglady]

122. LOL...doublespeak..he's morally moral,ya know

[demtenjeep]

116. BULLSHIT there is no war on religion

mindless gas bag

[Mosaic]

111. Providance from damn mormon, lol

These freaks are too much.

[cthulu2016]

112. Mitt, your religion didn't Exist in 1776!

[highplainsdem]

114. And now, the pious baloney portion of the debate...

[Greywing]

115. When will they start answering the damn questions?

[powergirl]

117. I love how Newtie is all religious now

and he doesn't live his life like Christ.

[newspeak]

154. yeah, well he probably already said his ten our fathers and hundred hail marys

and now any hurt he has done to others or cheating is all now forgiven. What he did, reflects his character, and shows me he has little integrity.

[Tx4obama]

118. Since Newt's a 'mere mortal' that can't make 'all' decisions then he should NEVER be president :) nt

[Mosaic]

119. newt you idiot the elite are you guys!

Not the true Americans who respect others! Get with the program you moron!

[deacon]

120. 'I believe in God and if you get sick & can't afford medicine you should die' (cheers)

[w8liftinglady]

123. But don't let the unborn die...wait til they pop out

[newspeak]

156. and one wonders why some would like to just separate now

these unevolved, compassionless thugs really do need their own stomping grounds. Where they can compete, survival of the most ruthless, corrupt; and the weak can just die. I really don't want to be around such ugly people.

It's amazing that some of these people are the ones who fought keeping life support on that woman in florida who was in a coma; and now, if you can't afford medical you should just die?

[Lint Head]

121. There is a war against Christians? Damn frigging idiots.

These jerks are GOP Fascist Theocrats. Every single damn one of them.

[riderinthestorm]

124. Tx4obama, can you start a new thread for those on dialup? nt

[Tx4obama]

129. The debate will be over in four minutes.

I think there's really not enough time for a whole new thread.

[riderinthestorm]

133. Oh, okay. Didn't know that. thanks! nt

[jillan]

125. I just figured out why I like this debate (not the answers - but the debate itself) -

It's because Wolfie is letting each candidate answer each question.

It's not a Romney v Newt showdown. Ron Paul and Santorum are getting their opportunities as well.

I give Wolf kudos for the first time in my life

[w8liftinglady]

128. I agree.

[JJW]

126. Now ask them

if corporations are people created by their Gods.

[deacon]

127. Well, Wolf and CNN - that was one of the worst "debates" I've ever seen. FAIL. n/t

[Digit]

132. I agree with you, horrible debate, horribly moderated

Wolf was a complete bust.

[deacon]

136. A total embarrassment. The worst of the worst. n/t

[w8liftinglady]

130. "why are you the most likely to beat President Obama?"

[Ebadlun]

131. Stop shitting on Europe, Romney

It's better than the Somalian system you seem to be aiming for.

[newspeak]

155. Actually, I think somalia needs some great leaders

to get the country in order. I think these candidates would just fit the bill. I would rather live in europe than a violent, deregulated nightmare like somalia. Oh, and you better pick another place to pick on, europe is the one location I wouldn't be browbeating. You might get the plebes starting to think what most countries in europe, what their taxes pay for and what we get for our taxes.

[w8liftinglady]

134. Now,I need to gargle.

and get the puke taste out of my mouth

[Tx4obama]

135. *** The NEXT GOP Debate reality show episode will be in Arizonia - on CNN- February 22, 2012

looks like they are giving us a few weeks break

[downwardly_mobile]

137. **** Post-game analysis time **** Who won? (Other than Obama) --

I think Romney had some good moments, Gingrich never got airborne so I think it was a loss for him, seeing that the polls in Florida are swinging back to Romney.

Overall, I think Santorum did well, I think he IS their most electable. The Goldilocks candidate: not too hot (Newt) not too cold (Romney.) Plus, for a politician, he's relatively youthful AND youthful-looking.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

138. Santorum did the best to me!

[deacon]

140. I think the producer should have jumped in at the halfway point and said "this isn't working out at

all, let's all go home." Horrible.

[w8liftinglady]

141. Santorum did do well.I disagree with everything he says,but

he tried to avoid name-calling and stay on-topic

[agentS]

149. No winners; only losers.

Paul didn't substantially lose.

Newt and the others lost big 'charisma' points with their arguments on taxes, sounding angry, and the whole Fannie and Freddie argument and hypocrisy.

It's the hypocrisy, stupid! You can't insult someone on a debate stage for investing in a company when you yourself are investing in the same company (OR working for same company).