AT LAST! Paul Krugman hands Joe Scarborough et al their collective heads on Morning Joe!

[CTyankee]

Ed Rendell, Richard Haas, Joe and Mika shouldn't have even tried! Dr. Krugman just laughed at their lame arguments and said "How many times do I have to be right....?"

They were such sorry asses I couldn't believe it.

Here, for you to savor: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/

[OKNancy]

1. thanks for the link

I missed him... couldn't take watching it this morning with all the right-wingers on this morning.

[CTyankee]

2. Oh, Paul was SO worth it! I just muted Marcia Blackburn.

That's the way you have to watch Morning Joe.

Today was pure gold! Watching Richard Haas's head explode while Paul laughed was just wonderful!

[truebluegreen]

3. Other than an asinine ignoramus

who is Richard Haas? I must have missed the intro or something.

[CTyankee]

5. He's foreign policy guru.

Here's his bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_N._Haass

[Aerows]

9. Supposedly

a foreign policy guru.

[CTyankee]

10. Yeah, you are right. He "seems" to have all of the credentials.

But he couldn't keep up with Krugman today. He got positively waspish and all scowly. He knew that Krugman was eating his lunch and seemed helpless to push back. His last salvo to Paul: "you're right until you're not!" just made Paul laugh.

What a hoot!

[truebluegreen]

14. Yes, I really enjoyed that...

it's kind of like saying "Oh, huh!" when you run out of better responses...when you're twelve.



ETA: a "foreign policy wonk" under Bush qualifies as a credential?

[JHB]

16. It's a credential in today's "liberal media"...

...which is yet one more sign that it ain't.

[Aerows]

58. It was pretty much

here is your ass. I'll hand it to you politely.

[whathehell]

79. I think he's a Neocon and I've disliked him since he practically called Obama a wuss on MJ.

Probably has a trigger finger for Iran.

[spedtr90]

4. Worth the watch.

Krugman explained it so well, but they didn't want to hear it, not even Rendell.

If only Krugman would get the air time Paul Ryan gets....

[CTyankee]

7. Rendell is an idiot. He really is.

Mika was worthless with her comparison to climate change which Paul destroyed handily.

I read Krugman faithfully in the NYT. He is NEVER wrong. Sometimes I wish he were, but if he says it you can take it to the bank...

[flpoljunkie]

15. MSNBC never identifies Rendell as a Co-Chair for hedge fund mogul Pete Peterson's 'Fix the Debt'

Governor Ed Rendell
Co-Chair, Campaign to Fix the Debt

Edward G. Rendell was the 45th Governor of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Governor Rendell has also served as Mayor and District Attorney of the City of Philadelphia. From 2008 to 2009, Gov. Rendell was Chair of the National Governors Association. He served as General Chair of the Democratic National Committee during the 2000 presidential election. Gov. Rendell, along with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, founded Building America's Future, a national infrastructure-investment coalition. Governor Rendell is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and of the Villanova Law School and served in the United States Army.


http://www.fixthedebt.org/who-we-are

[JHB]

17. Thanks. It's a significant omission

[forestpath]

19. This is why I have stopped watching MSNBC. Used to watch it hours a day.

[Plucketeer]

44. Their "new management"

is starting to show in the daytime fare. Theyr'e deliberately easing in the stoopid as time goes on. I guess hoping to entice FOX viewers to switch channels.

[CTyankee]

23. and didja notice Joey Scar tried to rebut with Pete Peterson but that try literally "petered" out...

[kitt6]

38. Rendell

is awful. Every time I see him I cringe. And now since Krugman put them in their place; the same goes for Joe, Mika and Richard Haas.

[catbyte]

52. He creeps me out. He reminds me of that perverted uncle that parents tell their kids to avoid.

I know I'm probably being unfair, but he really makes my skin crawl. He was pretty awful during the Democratic primaries in 2008.

[Cha]

78. Actually, he was wrong on this.. but, he admitted it so he does not lose any cred..

When you’re wrong, you’re wrong. I thought that by ruling out any way to bypass the debt limit, the White House was setting itself up, at least potentially, for an ignominious cave-in. But it appears that the strategy has worked, and it’s the Republicans giving up. I’m happy to concede that the president and team called this one right.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/not-with-a-bang-but-with-a-whimper/?smid=tw-share

It's when people are wrong and they don't own up to it.. that they lose respect.

[malaise]

6. Thanks for the link

Missed it

[CTyankee]

8. Let me know what you think!

[PA Democrat]

12. That was great! Thanks for posting.

[joeunderdog]

70. I think they figured since it was 4 against 1, they could stump Krugman.

Instead, he tied them in knots. You could see they were looking at each other to rescue themselves. Their discomfort was enjoyable to no end. He crushed em.

[PA Democrat]

11. Hmmm.... Who to believe on the economy?

Paul Krugman, a nobel prize winning economist, or Richard Haas, a Bush era foreign policy wonk?

Krugman won that debate hands down.

[annabanana]

13. Sure did liven up the line-up.. THAT'S for sure.

I wonder what kind of response they'd need to make him part of the "regular" crowd?

[CTyankee]

27. Well, Joe Stieglitz would tell them the same damn thing...

even Ezra Klein has more smarts than that entire panel put together, but I notice they don't have him on anymore...

[malaise]

18. Krugman tore them a new one

and he knows way more than any of them on the subject

[CTyankee]

25. Paul referred to his running the numbers on some of the scare scenarios the panel was touting...and

pointed out that they didn't work. They ought to know better than get into scenarios with a guy who does econ modeling for a living.

I guess Willie Geist knew better than to be on with this guy...that little pisher...

[malaise]

28. Joe Scum as well

Amazing how these non-entities pretend to know more than the genuine experts.

[CTyankee]

30. what INFURIATED me was Mika trying to make Paul into a climate denier!

I wanted to smack her! She's saying "If you don't agree with us, you're crazy..."

Right, Mika! What was your Nobel Prize for?

[mfcorey1]

20. It was beautiful!!! I was spellbound listening to him rip Joe and his cohorts

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apart with facts. Rendell always likes to act like his is the moderate, but Krugman ripped his logic too.

[Dalai_1]

21. Sad part of it all

is that PK was so far above them they could not comprehend his points! Joe had "visions of ball scores" in his head..Mika was trying to figure out how it all translated into *getting fit* ie calories or exercise ..Rendell simply looks more and more like he is from outer space and Haas is a jerk!

[lib2DaBone]

22. K/R Richard Haas... What spider hole did this guy crawl out of...

Mika and Joe can't handle the truth... their heads are too far up their butts....

Never heard of Richard Haas... but he is a Republican insider and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.. he's a Federal Reserve suck-up.. ...that explains it all.

[Wabbajack_]

24. Joe is such a tool

I can't watch that crap.

[7wo7rees]

87. Don't drink that shit in the morning

[Ninga]

26. I watched the link and no Krugman. Did MSNBC pull the vid?

[BeyondGeography]

31. It's there; OP link didn't work for me either

If this doesn't work, you just have to scroll down the video bar on the left:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#50613650

[CTyankee]

33. ACK! I'm sorry. I did try...

from now on I'll just tell folks to go on msnbc.com and click on the Morning Joe tab...the Internets are HARD!

[BeyondGeography]

36. I know...thanks for the thread

Krugman really kept his cool in the face of ignorance and bluster.

[CTyankee]

37. That works! Just tried it...it starts out with a clip of Paul Ryan, tho...that could confuse some

folks, but since I saw it live this morning I knew that it started that way...as a matter of fact, I was surprised when Mika announced he was next guest and Paul just walked on!

[doc03]

42. Thanks I got it. By the way what in the f--- is Mika's

function there, she just looks either dazed, confused or disgusted all the time?

[BeyondGeography]

48. No kidding

She's just taking dumb and running with it all the way to the bank.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

63. I know!! Seriously, she looks like she's on Thorazine or something. Every notice how she kind of

does a weird drugged out kind of rocking, along with the strange deer-in-the-headlights looks (when she's not striking poses as if she thinks she's in a fashion photo-shoot)?

[BuelahWitch]

32. Looks like they did

All assholes, no Krugman. Shame on you, MSNBC!

[Marr]

34. It's there-- it's just a bit further down in the lineup.

[BeyondGeography]

29. Bozo CW: We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements.

We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements. We've got to do something about entitlements.

Krugman: Please stop. It's number 5 or 6 on the list.

[Tippy]

40. Why don't they say what they mean....entitlements = SS and Medicare

I am glad Paul put them in their place I just wish he was really on Team Obama...have been telling them for years they are missing the boat by not getting Paul on board...

[CTyankee]

50. I think it is better that he remain independent of the Administration.

And I also think that Obama pays attention to what he says!

[doc03]

35. Don't work for me I got some guy named Max Boot n/t

[CTyankee]

39. check out response #31. I just got it at the link there...if not, try to Google it. I often find

stuff that I miss there...

[doc03]

43. Thanks I got it n/t

[tosh]

41. Mika: "It's great to have such diversity..."

umm....yeah!!!

[raouldukelives]

45. The level of repulsion I felt watching that turned my stomach.

Those grinning buffoons smacking their lips in anticipation of how the markets would react to slashing benefits to the weakest among us coupled with the inability to even slightly ponder the facts Krugman brought the table made me feel like I was watching a remedial Sean Hannity workshop.

[JDPriestly]

80. Cutting Medicare = killing old people.

There is no way around that. They talk about "cutting entitlements." It sounds to hygienic, so neat, so orderly.

The NAZIs spoke of "deporting" the Jews. Killing Indians was "opening the West."

"Cutting entitlements" is a euphemism for killing seniors. That's all it is.

Young people, theoretically, can work and, among other things their rising pay will pay for rising insurance to cover healthcare costs. Older people can't get insurance. We have too many pre-existing conditions.

My neighbor who died last year was a good example of a senior with extremely high healthcare costs. He had kidney disease and was regularly picked up by ambulance and taken for dialysis. His wife, who survived him, still owns the family house and take care of small children whose mothers are working.

Were it not for Medicare, she would have lost the house and not be able now to support herself.

When they talk about "cutting entitlements" they do not think about the human repercussions of reducing Medicare funding or Social Security benefits. It is just disgusting.

The only one in the bunch who cares about people, who sees people as warm-blooded with feelings is Paul Krugman. That is why we like him.

The others all seemed to detach themselves from the suffering of mankind. They don't seem to understand the human dimension of economics.

[raouldukelives]

96. For real. Not only do they not understand the human dimension, they refuse to try to understand.

That is 100% unacceptable. For anyone who claims to be anything but an atheist, Ayn Rand loving libertarian.
As long as the rich friends they have keep telling them to push austerity on major media. As long as the people themselves keep supporting those rich friends with Wall St investments. As long as they keep getting richer. It will only get worse for everyone & everything else.

[Plucketeer]

46. Does anyone know if a graphic redeux of the Mourning Joe logo has been done?

I've never seen one. And while I'm not Photoshop conversant, surely someone on DU must be! I'd love to see the "coffee-blotted" Morning joe logo have a K added between the O and the E. Anyone???

[mt_big_blue_sky]

59. good idea!

I made one. How can I post it?

[ErikJ]

47. Marsha: Dipping into the general fund for SS payments.

Marsha honey, its just the opposite. They are using the SS trust fund as part of the general fund now because the rich dont want their taxes increased.

[CTyankee]

51. I knew enough about her ahead of time to just mute her whole segment...who needs it?

Besides, I was reading Paul Krugman's column in today's NYT! Heh...

[blackspade]

49. Krugman crushed them.

[CTyankee]

53. His recitativo of what austerity has done to certain European countries was masterful...

I noticed that no one rebutted him...prolly because they couldn't...they b.s. all the time...

[think]

54. Completely agree. Well worth watching

Krugman has facts. The rest talk in circles....

[vlyons]

55. and none of them heard what Krugman had to say

They all just completely dismissed everything that Krugman said. Richard Haas was especially disappointing. He's such a chicken little sky is falling guy.

[CTyankee]

56. Didn't you just love the pissy look on his face when Krugman refuted him?

Hey Haass, where's YOUR Nobel Prize???

[0rganism]

57. they couldn't have understood anyway

Krugman may as well have been talking to a pack of baboons. They are all so tied to their austerity talking points aimed at justifying demolishing benefits to pay for upper-income bracket tax cuts that they can't possibly comprehend that there is no pressing crisis, that their silly ideas don't do anything except promote the very recessionary economy they say they want to avoid. When they're challenged on dogma, they get downright ornery.

[marions ghost]

90. yep

Investing in the people is an economic stimulus...it's also morally right not to treat people like dispensable slaves.

[JDPriestly]

81. They are paid the big bucks to say what they say.

That's why they speak so cruelly, so without any thought of the human catastrophe that cutting Medicare and Social Security would unleash.

[benld74]

60. I LOVE the way Krugman looks at them, first out of his left side,

(nope they are not following me there), then out of his right side(and thay sure as hell dont follow me).

[Zen Democrat]

61. Someone needs to rip the cover off Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles.

They are BOTH conservatives - one a Dem and one a Republican, but both deficit-hawks against government spending. Erskine Bowles is a defeated political candidate. Alan Simpson is coo-coo. That is all.

[Squinch]

62. I love PK, but why is Mika sneering at him? She looked furious.

[CTyankee]

64. well, she made a HUGE fool of herself today. I wonder what her Dad thinks...

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I'll bet he agrees with Paul.

Dr. Jeffrey Sachs says the same thing Paul says, BTW. Every time he goes on MJ he says something very similar, only he is softer in his approach. I like both him and Paul...

[Squinch]

65. She was just a rude dumbass. I don't recall seeing her be so rude to a guest before, but I

haven't watched for a long time. Maybe I should give her the benefit of the doubt. The expression could have been one of utter confusion. Which doesn't seem unlikely.

I often think Krugman is mentally banging his head against a wall when he talks to these morning people. Even this one, at the end, he just kept saying, "we really need job stimulus. No, first on the list should be job stimulus. But actually, job stimulus is more important." And what could be more obvious? And yet the morons kept arguing with him.

Did you see his blog after his appearance on CNBC? Maybe he'll comment on this appearance too. I'd love to hear what he was thinking.

[CTyankee]

66. No, I don't know his blog address...do you have it?

[Squinch]

67. Here: the latest installment slaps Paul Ryan around. What fun!

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/

[CTyankee]

71. Thanks. that was fun.

[drynberg]

68. PK is a professional, the rest on Joe were rank amateurs

I did grimmace when Mika brought up the "similarity" of Climate Change and Deficit Mongering, and of course, Paul rebuffed this very faulty comparison. What did haunt me about the PK clip was how poorly the others heard what PK was saying about millions of chronically unemployed Americans; do they hear and not even begin to care? Do they not even hear? And even if you don't care about these millions of Americans going through the grater of debt and loss, how about the connection of employment and economic health? God help us.

[CTyankee]

73. well, he destroyed her argument pretty neatly. I hope all of them will feel pretty well

subdued over their "schooling," which was really a "humiliation" if you ask me.

That was pitiful. They were no match for him...

[JDPriestly]

82. No. They don't care about seniors who will die if they impose cuts to Medicare and

Social Security. They don't care about the unemployed.

They ONLY CARE ABOUT THE MARKETS. They only care about their money.

[RandiFan1290]

69. I love his shit!

I was pleasantly surprised to see his cameo in the comedy 'Get him to the Greek'

[Jack Rabbit]

72. I stop taking seriously any pundit ot politician who . . .

. . . says "Erskine-Bowles" likes it's something we should do.

[supercats]

74. Wow Paul Krugman Cleaned Their Collective Clocks

His main point was our priority should be on jobs, jobs, jobs, not entitlement reform because job creation is whats needed now and entitlements are 15-25 years out, so why the push for entitlement reform now??? You had Richard Haas, a complete red-ass, scared shitless, Scarborough questioning and in Haas's camp, Ed Rendell, pushing for both at the same time, which is equally ridiculous, and then there's Mika, why the hell is she even there on the show??? She is the equivalent of a parrot. She contributes absolutely nothing except eye candy, with those serious silent head moving stares of hers. She always looks like she's posing, or modeling. Get her off that show. If she is supposed to be there as the Democratic foil to Scarborough then she fails miserably day in and day out. Krugman had answers for them all. And beat each and every one of them with common sense and a smarter policy.

[CTyankee]

75. So true. He was like a knife thru butter, wasn't he?

[JDPriestly]

83. And, logically, if we focus on jobs, on earning more, we will be able to cover our expenses.

If you can't make end meets, you try to get a better job.

That's how you get ahead.

[JDPriestly]

76. Which item is it? I couldn't find anything about Krugman.

[babylonsister]

77. Hmmm, video no longer there, or I don't know how to search for it. nt

[YOHABLO]

84. I too am looking for the clip .. they've taken it down .. must mean Krugman kicked!

[YOHABLO]

85. Found a link here: from Raw Story

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/28/krugman-schools-morning-joe-on-austerity-how-many-times-do-i-have-to-be-right/

[marions ghost]

89. No it's there

just buried. Use the search function at the site.

[marions ghost]

88. Just Search--"Krugman"

it comes right up

[babylonsister]

93. Thanks! nt

[Bozita]

86. Time well spent! ... Strongly recommended

[go west young man]

91. Enjoyed Paul's face when Mica tried to make

the climate change comparison. He must of thought to himself that she is so desperate just to add something to the conversation that she's brought up a totally irrelevant point. He handled each of them superbly. Scarborough probably won't let Paul on again as they all know they look pretty stupid when he's talking and they can't keep up. The Neocon Bush schill kept trying to belittle Paul with his"rose colored glasses and rosey scenario's" comments. An obvious smear tactic. Paul handled him well at the end.

[marions ghost]

92. This clip is excellent

I really got a lot out of this dialogue with Krugman--he speaks with such clarity and brilliance. Very convincing. I don't usually recommend anything from Morning Ho but this is really good.

Thanks for posting. I would have missed it otherwise.

[RedStateLib]

94. Mika Brzezinski

Is an idiot. I expected more from Zbigniew's daughter. Is she always like that? Just posing for the cameras with that confused expression on her face?

I expected the men on the show to be dweebs, but I was really disappointed in her. Reminded me of the blonde bimbos on Faux News.

I never watch Morning Joe so I've never seen her and had to Google to find out who that was.

[marions ghost]

95. Consider yourself informed

Meeeka's ridiculous. A real throwback to forgotten times.

They gave her the role of playing courtesan to Joe's Overlord...

Or: (insert your favorite master/slave relationship from retro movies or stories)