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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnd Hillary Steps Into The Ring Swinging.
Hillary Clinton is retired. Resting her weary bones. Sitting on a lounge chair reading a book and getting some sun.
"Hill, can I get you some tea?"
"Sure, Bill, green please."
And she is throwing wicked knock-out political punches from the sidelines.
Welcome to Presidential Politics Hillary Clinton style. For your discussion peeps, I offer this: We are about to see an entirely new type of Presidential Run. Nobody like Hillary Clinton has ever run before. Not even Hillary Clinton when she ran the first time. After the election, McCain settled down on the front porch like an angry old man with nothing better to do than yell at all the passing young whippersnappers, but Hillary seemed to have decided, "Well, what's the next hardest job then?"
Hillary Clinton applied for the job of President. We hired Obama instead. So Hillary looked at her resume and spent the last four years beefing it up. Now, it could be, she was just bored and is the type of person who likes a hard job. Or she could have been thinking ahead to, once again, being the country's first woman President. She is certainly going to be one of the most internationally connected people to run for President. She is certainly, one of our most skilled politicians on the world stage.
So Hillary Clinton isn't even in the race yet. But that doesn't mean she isn't in the ring. Her just released video for gay marriage is a prime example of the race that Hillary is starting to run. Hillary Clinton is so well-known, so respected and just so damned smart and interesting that people stop and listen when she talks.
And so she can and will throw these huge social statements out into the mix that nobody else can compare to. She is the wisest woman of the land in some way. She does not compare to other First Ladies. She does not compare to other Senators. She does not compare to other Secretaries of State. She is unique.
So watch her gay marriage video. Stunningly shot. Her points are not debatable. She just won the argument hands down. Gay people have equal rights of citizenship. What republican message will hold up well to that? Prebus might come out and make a statement-"Uhm, gay people shouldn't get full rights?" Woo hoo. Consider that a punch to the face Republicans... Hillary style.
She's too old says McConnell...but look at the video. Dang man, Hillary Clinton looks beautiful, fresh, ready to take on the world. The Turtle just told us she was a little old grey lady didn't he? Another swing and a miss by the Republicans and a roundhouse punch to the face from Hillary.
Stay tuned ladies and gentleman. From her lounge chair on her vacation, Hillary Clinton is about to run one of the most interesting, amazing and brutal Presidential campaigns in history. Her statements on Gay Marriage alone are groundbreaking in many ways. Love her or leave her, this is going to be one hell of a show. And, as we watch the viewer numbers of this video ratchet up into the millions, let it be known. Hillary Clinton just answered the GOP's attack on her. She is in the ring. She just kicked their asses in round one and didn't even chip a nail.
Bring the lady her tea...she's on vacation.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)It is long overdue.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)But the first one being Hillary would make my day! I admire her so much.
Yet, I'll settle for any good Dem woman and be happy about it. Just no Repub woman, please dear god, I'm not that good of a feminist, lol.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)As far as I'm concerned, she can be President if she wants it, or she can be whatever she wants to be. But bless her, for making this video. Bless her for telling us how she feels about the issue, and bless her for also telling us WHY she feels the way she does.
It never hurts to remind people what liberty really means, and how liberty for all makes us stronger as a nation.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)This is a deal breaker for me: No Immediate Family of Presidents.
No Bushes. No Clintons. No Obamas. Etc.
I love her. Put her on the Supreme Court, please.
Just not in the White House.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)But, generally I don't like it either. Too easy for the first one to twist the system to support the next one... as we saw with bush bush.
In this case, I feel the benefit of finally having a woman president far outweighs the risks. The men's club works very hard to keep women out of politics so, in this case, those connections might be necessary to facilitate change.
She is certainly competent as well...that helps.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)We have over One Hundred MILLION qualified people - and the only candidate we can come up with is a former First Lady?
We have other good qualified women in this country; as I said, I *love* Hillary, and am proud of her *MANY* accomplishments.
But I do not approve of "Immediate Family" running for President as I feel it sets us up terribly for nepotism and the problems that come with not getting "fresh faces" involved in the process.
This is my stance, and I will stick with it.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)The supreme court's support of little bush makes your point 100%.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I had some fool tell me I wasn't a liberal last week (while totally mis-characterizing a post I made a few years ago), and it is still a hot button for me.
I apologize for my reaction - for one second I thought you were saying I wasn't being "democratic" and got my feathers in an unnecessary ruffle.
So sorry!
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)But, I truly believe our democracy has done as well as it has because of the rarity of familial lineage in Presidential politics.
Jeb is not acceptable because of it. I admit my double standard in my acceptance of Hillary Clinton despite Bill.
Lol...see, I'm the one who should be mad! You are pointing out I'm a bit of hypocrite!
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)sarcasm tag.... hard to tell when peeps are teasing on here sometimes.
(though I don't mean sarcasm this time.... just using it as an example!)
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)so often it goes the other way, sigh..
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)But, since I'm the sanest of my family, I'll let it slide.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)A sign of sanity in my opinion is people communicating
respectfully and resolving misunderstanding without
doing harm.
demwing
(16,916 posts)and that - not her family name - is the deal sealer for me.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Not even her husband.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)guess you will have to get over your prejudice
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)and served on the Board of Directors of Walmart.
Dryvinwhileblind
(153 posts)...Bye.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)So, for a Presidential candidate to be saying I should be able to get married, to me, is a huge change during my lifetime. I can see the big picture and I've been working hard this entire time for equal rights.
Do I wish it was faster? Hell yes. But the big issues in the 70s are ALL still a big battle. Women's rights, clean air and water, nuclear proliferation....none of those big issues have been fixed yet.
Gay rights, have come a LONG way in comparison to other social issues. Um, citizenship? voting issues? gun control?
I at least have a domestic partnership. They still have assault rifles, pollution, coal, no ERA, nuclear power...
The gay people are finally winning and I am grateful for every politician who uses their platform to ask for my equal rights.
So, for me, thank you Hillary Clinton.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)of those who didn't like her last time (on BOTH sides of the aisle) was her foreign policy experience.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)She of the troop surge, her and Bob Gates and Gen P.
Dryvinwhileblind
(153 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Google it, because it's got a registration wall if I link to it.
Dryvinwhileblind
(153 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Nasr has a right to write anything he wants. You may agree or disagree with his book, but do not invent facts by implying that Hillary had anything to do with what he wrote.
Dryvinwhileblind
(153 posts)...start with "What Vali Nasr Gets Wrong", by Sarah Chayes, and on from there, in the democratic shared spirit of fairness, of course.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)His whole point was that if Obama had only listened to her and Holbrooke, we somehow would be winning or whatever in Afghanistan--because Holbrooke thought we should be negotiating directly with the Taliban at the same time that we surged in troops and then maintainted them indefinitely so we looked "committed" for the long haul. In fact, we have talked with the Taliban (multilaterally) and it went nowhere. We can't even get Karzai to cooperate with us, and he's our guy! So that's moot. And now we have to deal with the fact that we escalated, which prolongs drawdown (and there is no question that staying indefinitely is crazy). Obama is responsible for the decisions he made, but it would have helped to have had higher-quality advice in 2009-2010, let's put it that way.
Dryvinwhileblind
(153 posts)...that she, and her "state dept. lackeys" are blaming....YGBFSMe?! What grand extrapolation powers you possess. Meh!
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)I'm getting prepared to get laid into by the Hillary haters...
Even if she doesn't end up running, she may be the person who sets the tone of the race with these type of social commentaries.
Dryvinwhileblind
(153 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)hardworking she is. She has been a fantastic SOS and if she decides to enter the 2016 Presidential race I will support her wholeheartedly. She's smart, she's tough and she knows how politics works.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)She could be doing the lecture circuit, writing books, making gazillions. Instead, she just might offer more public service.
You have to respect that she would do that instead of going for the money. Fox dangled money (small change for Hillary Clinton) in front of Palin and she dropped her job as Governor and RAN to the bank.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)retired rooster
(114 posts)or Hill & Liz
Little Star
(17,055 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)even here it is love her or hate her, it seems.
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graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and the biggest revenge on the haters of President Obama and the Clintons is to elect Hillary45 in 2016.
Nothing spits in the faces of their haters more than that.
I myself am 100% FOR Hillary for President 2016 and 2020.
for all the correct reasons, not against anyone else.
FreeBC
(403 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)I have admired Hillary since she arrived at the national scene in 1992 as Bill's outspoken, brilliant and funny wife. She took no crap from anyone. The media and the DC critters didn't know what to make of her. The RW was apoplectic. I thought that she was terrific then and I haven't changed my mind.
I don't know whether she'll run or not, but she would make one terrific president.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)RILib
(862 posts)I have two big problems with Hillary, and that's her willingness to jump right into new wars or beef up the U.S. presence in old ones and her to the right of the Likud support of Israel. It just turns my stomach to think of wasting trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on more wars.
Biden would make a much better President, and he can even accomplish things with a hostile House, while Hillary has a record of failure in dealing with Congress.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Why do you say such a thing? I thought she was an excellent senator...at least that's what everyone said. I believed them!
karynnj
(59,503 posts)It is clear from the behind the scenes accounts of 2008, that most of the Democratic establishment were behind the effort to get Obama to run. In what had to be one of the sneakiest back stabbings I have heard of, this included CHUCK SCHUMER, who in public was 100% behind Hillary.
I remember one article - from 2006 - where Hillary - who was not wanted by the others - added herself to the Levin alternative to Kerry/Feingold. There were stories - especially in the NYT - of Hillary taking a back bench role at the beginning of her Senate career that then changed to how she was almost the informal Democratic leader - whichever suited the claim being made. It is likely that neither extreme were true.
That said, Hillary spent 8 years in the Senate - the last two mostly running for President. Biden spent 36 years - and chaired both SFRC and the Judiciary committee (obviously at different times.) Hillary never chaired a committee. Biden knows the other Senators better and has far more insight into how the Senate works.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)William769
(55,146 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)I'm ALL for Hillary! She'll make a fabulous Liberal president! Mark my words!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I will support her if she is the candidate, but I really don't want another hawk in the white house. Enough with the wars, please.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Bush - Clinton - Bush - Clinton - etc..
She has my 110% support in 2016 if she chooses to run.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Never, ever.