Catholics are deserting the Democratic Party in droves!

[kentuck]

To listen to Morning Joe and Mika, that is what one is led to believe.

Yep. The Catholics and the Evangelicals are ready to jump on that old Mormon bandwagon. It is nonsense.

Yep. Let's return to the good old days of George W Bush and let's try a little more of that old time trickle down.

I don't buy it for a second.

[Firebrand Gary]

1. Governor Malloy just dismantled the argument handily.

He stated that 28 states already have these laws on the books, including Massachusetts. Apparently is was implemented during "Romneycare".

The point that he did make (which I was not clear on) is that individuals that are directly employed by the Church are exempt on the basis of religious grounds. However individuals who are employed by Universities, Hospitals, Etc are required to offer the options.

Morning Joe has unfortunately gotten themselves into the habit of offering partisan pro republican commentary without knowing the facts. It's really too bad, I use to enjoy the dialog on this show.

[CTyankee]

7. Absolutely! Joe doesn't know what he's talking about...

if he knows any blue collar Catholics, he knows that many, many of them are practicing Catholics, go to mass every Sunday and holy days of obligation, raise their kids in the faith, often sending their kids to Catholic schools AND practice birth control.

I know many Catholic women who hear the priests preaching from the pulpit against birth control and simply ignore them...

I think we've all seen the polls of Catholics on the question of practicing contraception. They do so overwhelmingly.

And I agree with you. My governor (I love him!) nicely and deftly sheared Joe pretty well...

[unionworks]

10. Can you please provide a link

to this? I could use it, I am in a heavily Catholic town.

[monmouth]

13. Go to MSNBC website in a while and the video should be up...n/t

[unionworks]

14. thanks n/t

[Firebrand Gary]

29. Did you get the link yet?

Transcript and link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002277595

[unionworks]

30. thanks

I assure you I will put it to excellent use!

[EFerrari]

2. I just saw people holding the sign "Nevada Believes"

at a Romney rally. So, he's going for the fundy vote.

[KharmaTrain]

3. The Corporate Media Stuck In Its Own Prism...

For the past 6 months their focus has been almost non-stop on the rushpublican clown car demolition derby...running from one fundie haven to teabagger nirvana...focusing on non-issues that are the red meat of the great unhinged and assuming these are important to the vast majority of us watching this fiasco with both horror and amusement.

They assume Sheldon Adelson represents all Jews and Mario Rubio as all Hispanics and after months of non-stop echoing of their "conventional wisdom" they have detached even further than normal with what's really going on out there. I think many are out here holding our powder and tongues and this point as the rushpublicans go further into the political abyss...unfortunately the corporate media is going right along with them...

[GoCubsGo]

6. They're getting pretty desperate, for sure.

This evening, one of my local news shows is going to have a story on how blacks are supposedly starting to desert the Democratic party in droves. They apparently found a few of that are, and they are trying to make it look like they are the norm. I guess they think every other African-American in the viewing area who might be watching hasn't seen all the racism spewing out of the GOP, not just during their primaries, but also during the past 3 years.

[lpbk2713]

4. Whistling past the graveyard.

Or, to put it another way ... they're full of shit.


As usual.

[unionworks]

5. Sharpton is on there

...being a magnificent pain in Scarboros ass. Love Reverend Al!

[mulsh]

8. None of my fairly conservative Catholic relatives are leaving the Democratic party.

Most of them are old enough to remember when most evangelical protestant cults hated Catholics. All have been smart enough to recognize the Reagan/Republican con game for what it is.

[kemah]

9. Herman Cain was right "Stupid people are ruining this country!"

I guess he meant his fellow tea party "morans".

[rurallib]

11. last I heard the only things Catholics were leaving was their church

and they were doing so in droves.

[Arugula Latte]

37. +1

[LynneSin]

12. I live in a very very catholic neighborhood - they all are big Obama fans

but then again this is liberal northern Delaware. Even Joe Biden is a Catholic

[hedgehog]

15. There is no such thing as "Catholics" anymore -

we're divided into those who walk lock step with the Pope (except when it comes to social justice and peace issues, not to mention capital punishment). They are very relieved, as are most American bishops, to use sexual issues as an excuse to vote Republican. (The Vatican has been appointing conservative bishops who will support the bureaucracy, suprise, surprise, these guys are right wingers when it comes to politics, too!)

Then there are the Catholics who believe in the Church, but not the hierarchy. Somehow, it's the Catholics on the left who are labeled "cafeteria Catholics". These Catholics are very skilled at tuning out the crazy talk until they can't, when they become

Former Catholics - the second largest denomination in the US today.

There are also actual non-believer ex-Catholics.

[Spazito]

18. Yep, exactly...

The "Catholics" that are supposedly outraged would be the Opus Dei followers who do not vote for the Democrats anyway, no loss there.

[w8liftinglady]

26. lol....I know a lot of Reformed Catholics....most of my family.

Many went to a liberal non-denominational church like Unity.Five of the "Catholics" I work with are "ex-Catholics"

We still find ourselves "crossing" at stressful times...hey,old habits are hard to break!

[hedgehog]

27. Maria Doria Russel in her book "The Sparrow" has a character say something like

"There is no such thing as an ex-Texan, ex-Marine or ex-Catholic!"

[Drahthaardogs]

31. There is no such thing as a cafeteria Catholic,

There are Catholics who are loyal to the Magisterium and those who are not. I am not. In fact, I have recently thought of converting to Eastern Orthodox Catholic because of lack of loyalty. Catholics do NOT believe in sola scriptura, so if you reject the Roman teachings, it is hard to be Roman Catholic.

[hedgehog]

33. There is the Magisterium, and there is the sensus fidelium,

the sense of the faithful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensus_fidelium

I would say that in the US, it's the sense of the faithful that the use of contraception within marriage is the responsible way to balance the ability to care for children and the planet with the fact that an active sexual life is a good and holy component of sacramental marriage.

We hear a lot about the Magisterium from bishops imposing rules, less from theologians who study those rules and where they came from. Oddly enough, I've never heard a bishop refer to the sensus fidelium!

[Drahthaardogs]

35. Not sure I agree with what you are saying.

In some degrees, sensus fidelium is indeed alive and well in the Roman Rite. For example, the new emergence of the charismatics (speaking in tongues, etc.) which only a decade ago would have been met with severe derision and even ridicule. Speaking in tongues was never incoherent babbling per the Catholic tradition (as it is in Southern Baptist circles), it was the ability to speak many languages like Pope John Paul II or even Benedict today. However, the charismatic movement is gaining traction and acceptance mostly due to sensus fidelium. You will hear garbled babbling and shrieks to Heaven at some Catholic Churches, if you are into that sort of thing.

You could go further, and little things, like holding hands during the Our Father have recently been incorporated into the Mass. THAT is a very Protestant thing to do, and only recently has it become common place in the Church. I believe it was a sensus fidelus movement that incorporated that little gesture into Mass (I still refuse to do it just out of a sense of tradition). The Catholic movement, as a whole, has moved more and more toward Protestantism in behavior.

Now, where the truth lies, I cannot say. However, in my experience, where sensus fidelus and the Magerstium conflict, the teachings of Rome are always given priority, although I have yet to hear a Pope claim ex-cathedra (although if you listen long enough around here you would think that the See did it every day, which shows the lack of understand and basic study that pervades DU when it comes to religion).

I think that the hope for a

[hedgehog]

36. On the other hand, after some initial soul searching,

the sensus fidelium was that there is nothing at all wrong with contraception. It's not that people think contraception is wrong and use it anyways, they think it is wrong for themselves not to use contraception. Of course, those in charge of the magestrium have a vested interest in maintaining that it takes precedence!

[Dawson Leery]

32. Since the child sexual assault cases became prominent,

I know of MANY ex-Catholics. The doings of the hierarchy have angered many.

[JHB]

16. They misspoke: it's "deserting in Roves"...

...and we all know what his word is worth.

[greymattermom]

17. Indian doctors

Those hospitals wouldn't exist without Indian doctors. Can they be expected to follow Catholic religious teachings?

[mmonk]

19. Morning Joe is taking their cue from the bishops, not the laity.

[FarCenter]

20. Aren't US catholic men becoming more like Latin American men

They go to church 4 times: baptism, confirmation, marriage, and burial.

BTW: I love the Liberty University online ad that I got with this page.

[justiceischeap]

21. The Mormon & Catholic Churches has teamed up in the past to defeat marriage equality

in California and Hawaii. It is not out of the question for the Catholic church to suggest people support Romney.

[closeupready]

22. Doesn't Mika have some shoe-shopping to do?

She's better at that than electoral prognosticating.

[mikekohr]

23. Not this Catholic

[w8liftinglady]

24. Bullshit. Not in Texas,baby

Look at the blue counties in Texas,and the bluest districts...those are also where the largest Hispanic CATHOLIC voting blocks live.
I am a reformed Catholic,as is my mom.We both vote heavily Democratic...straight line,all elections.

[hedgehog]

25. My dad was watching the same show, and caught this tidbit -

that something like half the states already require coverage for contraception and have done so for quite a while. Why weren't the bishops in those states up in arms before now?

[AtomicKitten]

28. Most Catholic women use birth control.

It's not likely they're "leaving the party in droves" over Pres O's executive order.

[WI_DEM]

34. Not all Catholics are hard liners like the GOP wants to think.

[WCGreen]

38. Apparently, they just spout out what ever is in their head at any given time....

The Catholics left aren't voting for democrats anyway....

They are closing thousands of churches across the country because the participation has dropped so low.

The Catholic Church left a whole bunch of people behind with there insistence of staying in bas marriages no matter what
.