'You Deserve Rape' sign causes controversy on UA campus

[Triana]

“We find it to be vulgar and vile,” White said. “However, it is protected speech. He has yet to, at this point, violate the student code of conduct.”

Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that “if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you’re probably going to get raped.”

“I think that girls that dress and act like it,” Saxton said, “they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they’re pretty much asking for it.”

Saxton’s sermon came ahead of the “Take Back the Night” event held Tuesday night, which aims to unite people against sexual violence. He said his decision to create the sign and display it was tied to the event and to the fact that April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

“[Saxton] is part of a larger societal culture that tolerates rape, and that’s exactly what the Oasis Program Against Sexual Assault and Relationship Violence is here to counteract,” said Megan McKendry, a violence prevention specialist with Oasis, a program out of Campus Health Service. “His message is an awful one that we condemn. No one deserves to be raped.”

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This is our RAPE CULTURE right there in your face....NO ONE - no matter WHAT they're doing, wearing, taking, drinking, where they are, when, or who they're with "deserves" to be raped.

[uppityperson]

1. And what, pray tell, does a "whore" dress like? What an asshole.

[onehandle]

2. He looks pretty hot in those sunglasses.

So by his reasoning, if half a dozen burly guys held him down and performed 'unnatural acts' on him, he would have partial responsibility.

[spooky3]

4. Full responsibility, by his reckoning. Also, they could steal his wallet and car keys.

Seems he "deserves" that, too.

[Triana]

6. [phone]! n/t

[spooky3]

3. I like the guy's (?) sign behind him. I'm glad others are making it clear what an a-hole he is.

The woman's to the right is also good at making the point.

[cui bono]

60. I believe there are only men in the pic.

Which is even better, having them stand up against this self-righteous idiot.

[meow2u3]

5. His vile rape talk ought to be an exception to freedom of speech

No one should be allowed to be so provocative as to whitewash, incite and/or promote criminal activity, especially rape.

Protected speech my ass! This so-called "Christian" is encouraging rapists by suggesting rape victims are the real perps.

[Triana]

10. Exactly. It's the old Taliban 'blame the victim' attitude. n/t

[meow2u3]

14. I think blaming rape victims ought to be a felony in itself

If that won't shut up rape apologist, what the hell will?

[AsahinaKimi]

54. "Taliban"

This!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

25. I think it's borderline.

Incitement to criminal behaviour already *isn't* protected free speech. I think that criminalising stuff beyond that would be a bad precedent.

Whether or not "you deserve rape" is genuine incitement to criminal behaviour is debateable, I think.

When in doubt, I'd rather the state always erred on the side of free speech, even if it means things like this.

The campus authorities, on the other hand, should come down on him like a ton of bricks.

[11 Bravo]

7. Controversy? Fuck, I must be one primitive sonuvabitch. I think it should cause an ass-kicking!

Yeah, yeah, free speech, and I'm wrong. But I can promise you that if some asshole walked up to my wife and said that to her, I would cheerfully violate his 1st Amendment rights, and then acquiesce to whatever punishment a jury of my peers deemed correct.

[whathehell]

11. Me too, I guess, because I feel the same.

[Eleanors38]

16. I hear you. He has the right. And I wouldn't have the right to...

put a ring in his ears, or cause him to see silver & black. But I would, anyway.

[caraher]

41. Absolutely

Especially since doing so would follow his logic.

If holding a sign like that isn't "asking for it" I don't know what is. Shouldn't he bear part of the responsibility for bringing such an assault on himself?

[CTyankee]

42. I like the way you think, Caraher. Good for you!

[cui bono]

61. Good point. n/t

[whathehell]

8. I can see how this may be legally "protected" but it's not even a "violation of student conduct"?

What Scum.

Do you think they'd say that to the 80 year old grandmothers who get raped.?


I also wonder if "You deserve to have Castration" or "You deserve Death" signs

would be protected and/or immune to violating the "Student Code of Conduct"

[smirkymonkey]

44. It's hate speech. I am not so sure it should be protected and I would think that the

campus should have it's own rules about what is acceptable on campus property whether it is technically legal or not.

[whathehell]

47. Yup...I guess they don't care much about that, either in AZ or at that school. n/t

[BanzaiBonnie]

74. OR to a five year old...

[whathehell]

77. Absolutely. n/t

[Sgent]

83. Essentially

there can be restrictions on student speech at a public schools -- they are considered to be instruments of the state, and thus must abide by the 1st amendment.

[whathehell]

84. Sounds about right. n/t

[Rex]

9. I fucking hate trolls, in RL and in VR.

They suck and live to bring others down to their level of self loathing.


EDIT - he is promoting VIOLENCE! The school should ban him.

[upaloopa]

12. A woman should be able to walk nude and not get raped.

There is no automatic rape trigger that a guy has that is set to go off at a certain amount of exposed skin.
Same is true about the type of clothes woman wears.

[LittleBlue]

13. There are 40,000 students at UA

And he managed to attract 3 people to support his pro-rape agenda. Epic failure.

[tblue37]

17. Those 3 in the picture are criticizing him, not supporting him. nt

[LittleBlue]

18. OK so he managed to atract no one

out of 40k people. Even worse epic failure.

[Bucky]

21. I dunno. "No one deserves rape" is criticism. "You deserve grape" sounds like a compromise

unless it's alluding to a more elaborate pun about the eucharist and forgiveness through communion.

[cui bono]

63. Depends on how they give you the grape.

[Wednesdays]

67. "You deserve grape" is mocking him

And he certainly deserves to be mocked.

[Warren DeMontague]

73. Grapes are good.

dude deserves a poop sandwich.

[Eleanors38]

15. Must be developing his future flock of rancid goats.nt

[backscatter712]

19. That son-of-a-bitch should lose teeth!

There are some people in this world who desperately need to have their asses kicked!

[Bucky]

20. The sign is offensive and his explanation is hate speech. Mostly he's a bad Christian.

I think he should get an F in this theology class for that statement. This dude totally does not get Jesus.

[colorado_ufo]

38. Correct!

By this guy's standards, the woman with whom Jesus spoke at the well, who drew a drink of water for Him, was just "asking for it," according to the mores of that time and culture. How ever did Jesus manage to restrain Himself?

[freshwest]

22. Not strange at all considering what media is shoveling according to this 2012 NYT piece:

I just found this googling about the sexual environment young ladies are faced with:

The Bleaker Sex

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/opinion/sunday/bruni-the-bleaker-sex.html?_r=0

http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2012/04/24/who-does-hbo-hope-is-watching-girls/

[smirkymonkey]

56. Wow. How depressing.

This is almost enough to make me want to declare celibacy for life. Sad.

[freshwest]

70. Don't I know it! Thanks for caring. I feel sorry for young women.

[Hekate]

23. Saudi Shiites thinks that "dresses like a whore" is a woman showing only her face

Religious enforcers go around with switches whapping at women's ankles if too much black stocking shows beneath the burka.

Some European beaches are for topless sunbathers, others are completely nude, and no one considers those nature-lovers to be inviting rape.

Now that we've established cultural relativism, where are the hemlines and necklines drawn for this little idiot? He is inviting violence, condoning violence, promoting violence against women. What a nasty piece of work -- his Mama must be so proud.

[sheshe2]

24. What a disgusting toad of a man.

Oh yeah, and he calls us "girls", it's women, asshole.

Thank you for the OP, Triana.

[Tree-Hugger]

26. Perhaps he is justifying his own actions...

Asshole.

[Skittles]

46. I believe those are the only men who defend rape

the rapists themselves - essentially he is saying he is unable to control himself if a gal is dressed a certain way

[Sheepshank]

27. then the presumption is that he deserves a *thwak* on the back of the head with a 2X4

....when you act like an narrow minded bigoted, enabler of brutal crimes, you should expect it to happen in a boomerang type effect.

[mountain grammy]

28. And if someone rammed his sign down his throat

I would say "he pretty much asked for it"

[smirkymonkey]

59. Yep. After all, how can we help ourselves?

He provoked our urges!

[haikugal]

29. It's a threat...

do as I say or else you get what you deserve....it's the patriarchy talking and the church is the biggest mouthpiece. Disgusting...*spit*

[Arugula Latte]

30. Now that his name is all over the Internet,

his future potential employers will be able to see what a gem this guy is.

[colorado_ufo]

40. Let's hope there is no woman left stupid enough to date this guy.

[CarmanK]

31. A woman has the right to dress as fashionably as she desires and does not invite VIOLENCE.

[TheMightyFavog]

32. Paging Anonymous....

Go get this knucklehead.

Wouldn't be surprised to see that he has an extensive porn collection.

[neffernin]

37. Go Wings!

Or maybe as a cheerleader for Rape he has done it himself? Maybe in all of their religious fury they forgot that Adam and Eve didn't wear clothing...

[smirkymonkey]

62. Yes! I would love to see Anonymous all over this!

What a dickhead!

[mrdmk]

33. The Christian Taliban at their best! They will not be happy until women are wearing

head to toe clothing and a chastity belt. Welcome to the Medieval Times when church authorities spoke Latin and others spoke something else.

BTW, the dude is a jerk...

[HockeyMom]

34. Do infants and old women in DIAPERS

deserve to be raped too for "dressing like sluts"? Rape is not about sex. It is about power and humiliation over another human being. Are we still living in the 21st Century?

[mrmpa]

35. I want to meet the woman who...........

raised these men. I want to meet the sisters, aunts, femal cousin and grandmothers of these men. Where the hell were they in helping to form these men's attitudes toward women?

[Le Taz Hot]

57. So, it's women's fault this guy turned

out the way he did?

[mrmpa]

64. No, sorry if that's how you took..........

my post. I am a woman and I along with both parents would never allow any of my brothers or nephews to have this attitude. No one should be brought up to think that rape is okay.

I just was wanting to know where the outrage from the females in his family is, along with the outrage from the males in his life.

[Le Taz Hot]

65. I just found it strange that

you specified only women family members as being responsible for guiding this young man's social attitudes and behaviors. I would think that role would fall upon both genders.

[longship]

36. Controversy???? Really?

I think the signs should cause universal condemnation!

No-fucking-body deserves rape!!!

Sheesh! This kind of shit really pisses me off.

[Evoman]

39. God, I just want to beat the fucking living shit out of him.

I wouldn't, but a fucking kick in the teeth is what douchebag deserves.

[caraher]

43. Suppose he were brutally assaulted for carrying that sign

Then I'd hope someone would say to him, “If you dress like a rapist, act like a rapist, you’re probably going to get your ass beaten.”

“I think that guys that talk and act like it, they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they’re pretty much asking for it.”

[frylock]

45. the clothes that guy is wearing makes me want to punch him in the throat

[shawn703]

48. By his own logic

He would deserve a serious ass kicking.

[dmr]

49. Is he saying his lack of self-control permits him to violently attack a female?

He's allowed to get in her space, against her will, just because of what she's wearing?

Hell, I know a woman in her 60s who was raped while wearing a long, ratty, flannel nightgown, dark knee-socks and rollers in her hair. I guess she was asking for it, too.

I get so bitterly angry when I hear ignorant rationale like this. It makes me want to scream!

[Triana]

66. Yes. That's what all men with this type of attitude are saying.....

...that they have no control over their own bodies.

That women are disallowed any control over their own bodies.

And that women have complete control over and responsibility for men's bodies and what they do with them.

It's Taliban "logic".

[Delmette]

50. We are told that we are the only one in control of our feelings.

This guy just proved that he doesn't think he is in control of his feelings or responsible for his actions. What a jerk!

[Canuckistanian]

51. Send this picture to the guy's mother

I'm sure she'll have a thing or two to say.

[Le Taz Hot]

52. My first reaction upon seeing this

this assbite and his sign would be to flash him "the girls" and say, "Rape, this, asshole!"

[JEB]

53. Yeah, well what is that asshole asking for?

The wire brush treatment.

[DiverDave]

55. What an IDIOT!

Rape has NOTHING to do with what a person is wearing.
It's a power trip-plain and simple-.
Men that rape are showing that THEY are the top dog.

I have never understood how a guy can, er, perform.

I never have and never will rape anyone.

I dont NEED to show anybody that I'm strong.

And if this little boy knew anything at all about rape and the reasons behind it, he wouldnt show his ignorance, to the world.

[Starry Messenger]

58. This man is a rapist, mark my words.

Anyone this twisted is not a whole human being.

[Apophis]

68. This type of speech should not be protected free speech.

[Warren DeMontague]

69. He's an asshole.

And a wackadoo fundamentalist, too. Shockerz.

[niyad]

71. and MY free speech would be protected when I call him the woman-hating, pro-rape, f******

sick bastard that he is, yes (oh, wait, I guess mine doesn't count--look at that professor who got arrested for swearing at that obscene anti-choice GAP display)

[Honeycombe8]

72. Who decides that someone is acting or dressing like a whore? The rapist?

If he breaks in and rapes me while I sleep in my house naked, do I deserve to be raped, since I'm naked?

That guy will live to regret his actions. They're preserved on the internets....for his future children to see. For his daughter, who might get raped, to see. I wonder if he'll think she deserved it?

[Buns_of_Fire]

75. It looks like an audition for the Westboro cult.

What the hell kind of "religious studies" are taught at UA?

And how long do you think it would take to shove that sign down his throat?

[LostOne4Ever]

76. Im gonna exercise my first amendment right

and say that he deserves to get kicked in the balls repeatedly till he either sees the error of his ways, or can no longer be called male. Whichever one happens first.

[arcane1]

82. I'd love to see that on a sign, held right in front of him during his little stunt

[burnodo]

78. Is it men in general or is this specific to fundy men?

Women are responsible for the way they dress but men aren't responsible for keeping it their pants? This goes for Islam as well, where exposing an ankle could be an trigger for a man to rape.

[Arkana]

79. Wow, that guy even LOOKS like a subhuman piece of shit.

Like the "You deserve GRAPE" though.

[ShadesOff]

80. be safe and know who you are talking to.

The blame game and war on women is never ending. Most people want to look good and sexy and find that perfect relationship. Facts are many campus rapes are committed by the same predatory perv.

[ljm2002]

81. And YOU deserve to have your balls kicked in...

...after all, you are acting like a total jerk, and you should realize that you do have partial responsibility, because I believe that you're pretty much asking for it.

[smirkymonkey]

85. Will somebody please beat the living tar out of this asshole already?

He is in need of a serious beating.